Google's Schmidt predicts developers will prioritize Android over iOS in 6 months - Page 3

Yeah. There were several. Although at least some of them may have been innocent in respect that they may have changed their mind. The Mac Mini was a notable one. However, Apple's statements have always been about products. They have never lied about the performance of their products. This article you mention has many lies and half truths in it though. For example the antenna issue was blown out of proportion by the media. Apple does not measure sales by products sold in to the channel. They measure actual sales. Activation numbers didn't add up with checks in the channel according to Steve Jobs. Try to prove him wrong. He assumed they were counting upgrades, but that doesn't mean something else didn't throw their numbers off. Google hasn't released actual data to back up their claim that he is wrong. Google says their data is right, but they may be counting peak activations in a day or averaging over 5 days or something like that.

Great point that many pundits and "analysts" have forgotten. Yup, Apple is going to just sit back and watch as its market share in phones and tablets is chipped away by competitors. Not! Watch the next 12 months to 2 years as Apple introduces a variety of lower priced products in these categories to offer more choice and ensure growth and retain market power. Look for 2-3 tablet choices with varying feature sets; same with the iPhone. We already have the "free" 3GS as an entry point to the Apple ecosystem for many customers.

Oh Eric, you really are a special person

The Oracle lawsuit should finally be resolved in Q1. I hope Larry really sticks it to them for stealing Java code. Let's do the deep dive after to see how profitable Android is for Google

It's funny Schmidt gets up there and says these things. Either he is an idiot or incredibly calculating

Wow, what a moron. So they'll be looking to lose money instead of make money. How did this idiot ever make it to where he is?

Yes. Here is how:
1. ICS is released
2. Some devices can run it, some can't
3. Android is further fragmented
4. ICS may solve security holes while possibly opening others
5. Eric Schmidt tells developers they will have to write Android apps whether they like Android or not.
6. Problem solved

How do you define "distant second place?" What good is 90% market share to Google?

"200 million Android phones have been activated "
Not this again.
Just tell us how many phones have been SOLD.

If Apple started to talk about activations they would have about 500 million activations at least. (you activate with each iOS update, the same with Android)

I like also that Google thinks that they have sold most smartphones. I believe Google have sold a couple of hundred thousand phones. Samsung/HTC have sold devices, but not Google.

If developers are going to develop first for Android, Google have to do something about piracy on Android platform. But Google won't. Its a selling point for Android/Google. Buy the phone and get all apps pirated. It does not affect Google. They just want to sell their advertising and data mine your life.

The last survey I have seen: iOS devices have on average 190 apps installed. Android devices 170. There are more Android phones then iOS (Officially). Somehow 90% revenue for Apple store and 7% for Google store = evidence for high piracy on Android.

And yes: I know that its easy to use pirated software on iOS devices. I simply can't understand todays youth that have to pirate a 1-5 dollar app. I understand piracy if the apps cost to much, but pirate that small about? It is a cultural thing of the internet generation, something that Google share in their DNA. To bad that it have bitten Google hard. Android is now the most expensive free system ever. Google have spent almost 20 billion in patents, Motorola mobile, buying Android, developing Android. Google get about 1 billion revenue from Android/advertising.

This lead to this fun thing: Microsoft make much more money on Android then Google. For each Android device sold almost all Android vendors pay protection fee to MSFT 5-15 dollar. This will generate about 1 billion for MSFT 2012. And this is before all the patent trials are settled. How much will Android vendors have to pay if HTC looses to Apple?

Googles data mining:
Hint to anybody that installed Chrome: Check when Chrome calls home. If you block that port, it automatically tries another port. I have never seen any other program act like it. Have over 300 ports/rules to stop Chrome phoning home before I gave up trying to stop it. I have nothing against Googles products. Chrome is great (webkit) and Android is interesting, but Google should have developed something own and licensed real Unix to avoid having to buy patents and pay of MSFT. There will always be patent disputes when you use Linux.

You should just have used SRWare Iron instead. It's Chrome, but without the phoning home.

"Ultimately, application vendors are driven by volume...". What business is he in? The primary purpose of business is to make money. If a developer wants to make money, he's going to develop for a system that will get him paid regardless of the market share. He only referred to the market share of smartphones. Nice of him to leave out tablets since we know how well those Android tablets are selling. I'm sure if you add in iPads, the marketshare would a little different.

These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.

Well, he's the one who said "You might want to tell me the difference between a large phone and a tablet" at Davos 2010 for just-announced iPad.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...-and-a-tablet/

No wonder he's forced to promoted to the Chairman.

I wish I was that proud and stupid.

This is a key point.

Also, ironic for an organization that exists solely on the basis of mining people's data.

Best post yet!!! LMFAO!!!!!!

Heh. The correct answer is: a failure to spot a new market opportunity.

A better way to look at it is: "What's the difference between an iPod Touch and a pocket-sized tablet?" Answer: none.

schmidt put novell in a nose dive then took off and lucked out big time with google.
but it is obvious he is the Dan Quayle of the tech industry.

Saying it awhile, eh? Aren't you a sage.

As for winning. Depends on your definition. Where is Apple on the list of most valuable companies in the world at the moment?

No?

That would be "teche" industry.

I didn't how it would manifest itself but I knew there would be a potato joke coming along.

"Ultimately, application vendors are driven by volume, and volume is favored by the open approach Google is taking," - this idiot is starting to believe his own bullshit! Just as is their concept of "open" - fragmentation, malware, pirated apps, inability to make money, incompatibility across android devices, mods required across android devices. Hey Eric, APPLICATION DEVELOPERS ARE DRIVEN BY REVENUE!!!!! You fking moron!

in six months, the majority of iOS devices sold in the last 2+ years will be on iOS 5. in six months, the majority of Android devices sold in the last 2+ years will be 2.3? Not 3 and certainly not 4.

on top of having stolen Apple's technology

They did certainly fail in the online music biz and mp3 player market.
/s

*sigh*

This article is link bait so people can fly in here and shout "You're dumb!" or "It's going to happen!"

And to the people exclaiming Windows Mobile will somehow take the market in an attempt to deal with the fact that Android is dominating (depending on your view point) : get over yourself. Microsoft came into this battle WAY too late to matter. Verizon is all over Android like a new high school crush. Their marketing stake in Android put it on the map, and unless something drastically changes, will keep it there. No one has shown ANY proof that Windows will somehow take over the market, but anti-Android pundits (not necessarily iOS fans) like shouting from rooftops that it will be the long term successor. PLEASE, SHOW ME WHY. Honestly, I think it'll even off like it is. Android will swallow up a little bit more of the market, iOS will continue its iron grasp on second place and the "upper tier," and Microsoft will continue to poor money it makes off of Android into Windows mobile.

Also, I disagree that Android will be the dominate platform in 6 months. However, I do think it will eventually. And before you start the "there's no money to be made of Android fragmentation and cheapness!" here's what I've observed: a few months ago the chances of you finding a new app or a company app on both Android and iOS was slim to none. It was usually all iOS. Notice how many companies have an app for Android AND iOS. Notice how a few companies (VAST minority) are even premiering apps on Android before iOS. Whether you agree with it or not, the trend has already started. The ball is already rolling my friends.

Total nonsense. So the pirated iOS apps just fall into your lap? Someone comes into your house for you to install the app? Studies have been done - and the number of jailbroken iOS phones is insignificant. And considering that you can install pirated Android apps without jail breaking, which one is easier?

Not to mention that the big picture shows quite clearly that iOS software sales outnumber Android software sales by a substantial margin. That wouldn't be true if most people were pirating their iOS aps.


The difference, of course, is that when people said that no one would buy an Android phone, they were guessing the future.

When it comes to Android vs iOS app sales, we have several years of history to provide factual data to look at. And, clearly, paid iOS apps outsell paid Android apps by a large margin.


Exactly. I don't know ANYONE who has a jailbroken iPhone.


Of course not. Handwaving, denial, burying your head in the sand, and (since it's Google) outright lies.


Or you could just close your eyes and listen - they SOUND identical.


That used to be done by some vendors. IIRC, Adobe did it the other way when they were trying to switch Mac customers to Windows.


Nokia will be a big help - and Windows Phone 8 actually looks pretty decent. I don't expect MS to suddenly take the lion's share, but I expect their share to grow. And since MS has the tenacity to stick with it, I expect that in a few years they WILL have a respectable market share.

What a joke - there are so many inaccuracies in this article that it is laughable. And where is that "volume" selling dell tablet now? Oh yeah, Dell just abandoned it because it was selling so well.

what?! i don't see any monkey. does this mean that schmidt may have lied too?

Yeah. It sure was great when Zune kicked the iPod's ass. I'm sure the new Galaxy Player is selling like hotcakes too.

You're right about one thing though. Google is Microsoft 2.0. Every time Schmidt talks, I'm reminded of the ending of Animal Farm. These two very smart nerds from Stanford get together, form a great company with a great product, and promise each other not to be "evil." But now they are just like Microsoft in the 1990s. But Google isn't making money on Android hand over fist like Microsoft was on Windows, so they're evil like MS, just suck at making any money at it. Maybe that's what they meant by "Don't be evil"

Regardless of how crappy the the Dell tablet is (and believe me, it's awful ) You can't really argue with that point in the article. The iPad 2 was not the first dual core to sell in volume, and there really isn't any argument against that

Eric and Michael Dell should do lunch and swap predictions about Apple.

Both say,"Trust me!". Only one is holding a gun.

The dell tab never sold in volume and that is the point...

So if you really want to know what Schmidt's "open" world is like, you need to read this Sony blog post on why Ice Cream Sandwich won't be released on their phones FOR MONTHS even though the code has been released by Google... How many ways can you say cluster FK...

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/wp...tware-upgrade/

Funny things when the Android OS market is fragmented. You'll continue to see iOS first for a very long time. Why? One OS on devices from 4 years ago on is why. The Android market sees several versions out there making it difficult to code to and test against. Develop to the easy and stable platform drawing in money then develop to the larger fragmented market to get brand recognition at least and maybe a bit of money.

Define volume.

Google:
No platform building experience
No UI experience
No hardware experience
No customer support experience
No customer service experience
No retail experience
No real unique vision that we've seen as of yet
A weak eco system
No stable consistent delivery system
Fragmented platform
etc., etc., etc.
They may get there eventually but Apple is already there & moving forward. As far as hardware goes there is nothing that stops Apple from updating hardware on a biannual (or whatever is nec.) basis if that even becomes an issue (hurts sales). So while Google is ironing out all this Apple is not standing still. It ain't gonna happen overnight.

Untrue. You've seen what they've recently done with all of their services? They've change the UI of YouTube (lol, been using ACleanerYouTube for years), Gmail (lol, been using OS X' Mail for years), and the like to a more modern, cleaner look.

And, quite frankly, it looks like they're starting to copy Windows Phone 7 in how their services look.



Wouldn't that just be the most hilarious thing? Google getting sued for stealing Microsoft's GUI

Schmidt had to be drunk to say developers are more interested in the mere volume of potential customers per Android than the total of actual revenue they get from actual sales from iOS.

but then, advertising is his true business, not sales.

You and 3 other guys. Seriously, who picks a phone because a certain app is only available on it? I'll wager almost no one.