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post #81 of 160
12/8/11 at 7:50am
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a lot of Android users are A-Holes and do their best to block ads,


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post #82 of 160
12/8/11 at 7:51am
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To be honest I think what he said is more then possible. Consider that three of the largest television makers work with Google's android, Sony, Samsung, and LG. They can easily push more of the other OEMS into doing it to compete with the rumor of the threat of an Apple T.V. The T.V.s have the hardware to do this what they will need to get is a hard drive in some of these TVs and an internet port.

It's definitely possible...but it just seems so unlikely.
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post #83 of 160
12/8/11 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by sciwiz View Post

Except, that's not what he said.

"Whether you like Ice Cream Sandwich or not, you will want to develop for it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...n5Ypio#t=2595s

it's like saying, yeah the software might really suck, but because we're everywhere, you'll
want to develop for it anyways. Despite huge fragmentation problems!!
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post #84 of 160
12/8/11 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Colour me skeptical. Are the majority of TVs in stores, now, installed with some smart TV software? The high-end ones show, but there are a lot more TVs than those in stores.

I think that he's right that a majority of tvs could have the Google TV tech in them. Remember that's just 51%.

but that still doesn't mean that folks will buy those TVs. Many probably won't. Many won't be buying TVs right now anyway. TVs aren't like phones where you buy a new one every couple of years. Or even computers with a new one every 3-4 years or so. TVs are long term. Those that are jonesing to get into the HD with 3D have either already bought or are waiting for the next round with the glassless units. Either way, they probably aren't going to be looking any time soon and certainly aren't going to be running to get one with Google or any other special tech inside. If it does, okay. But if it doesn't, they likely won't care.
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post #85 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:00am
pay no attention, he went to the ballmer school of management and marketing
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post #86 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by sirozha View Post

I have set up my digital life style around the Apple ecosystem,

Apple loves people who use the phrase "my digital life style" without the slightest trace of irony.

Personally, my life style is still analog. Maybe someday I will have a digital life style.
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post #87 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I think his last sentence may be implying that Apple is that outside looming threat that would make all the vendors want to get together to defend against Apple, even if it means partnering with Google for Android.

These guys are in it for the money. Whoever offers them the opportunity to make a killing is who they will go with. Be it apple, microsoft or google. Frankly my money is on apple!The history of innovation and execution is on their side.
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post #88 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

Maybe when Steve said he'd cracked it he meant he realised that the set top box needs to be built into the TV.

That quote is almost always out of context. Steve was talking about the UI for TVs, cable systems etc. And then he said "I cracked it.".

He wasn't likely talking about a TV set or even a little black box. But the UI of the system inside.

So yes, what we have now might be what he was talking about. And how he meant to present it to the world. Not in a big TV set but in a little discrete black box that you could even mount on the back of your tv to have it out of sight depending on your set up.

Apple Fans, or rather the geek contingent of the Apple Fans, are buying these rumors and analyst comments as fact and waiting. The other 95% have no clue and think the little black box is it and are buying that. And while for some it bombs, I'm getting for over 75% it is 'awesome'
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post #89 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:07am
This Schmidt guy must be related to Steve Ballmer with the crap that comes out of his mouth.
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post #90 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by esummers View Post

Lots of irrational talk coming out of Google these days. Feels like they are turning in to RIM. They will be eating their words in 6 months. You can't make a prediction for that short of a timeframe without the actual change happening now. I don't see any change.

Maybe you haven't seen any change, but where have you looked?

Are you privy to the number of Android SDKs downloaded? Do you know the rate, and any trends in the rate?

Have you looked at the design departments of TV manufacturers? Do you know what they were working on last week? The contracts signed by the execs? The plans made by the BOD of Matsushita or Sony in their private meetings?

I don't see any change yet either. But that is no evidence of anything.
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post #91 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by axual View Post

Has Eric Schmidt ever predicted anything accurately?

Has Gene Munster, Shaw Wu etc.

No.

Eric isn't so much predicting as doing the classic "we aren't worried so don't sell your stock" yeah we are doing awesome things move. Yeah it makes him seem like a very special boy but it's not an uncommon tactic.

Meanwhile Munster etc are trying to find a way to negate that so the stock will go down, they can buy it cheap and then if Eric isn't just being special, they can make some money.

Heck why do you think they do that whole "Yeah Apple is selling X great but it wouldn't be as great as it could have been because of supply/lawsuits/tornados/whatever". They need the stock price to come down so clients can buy lower and make more money when the next great thing comes out in 2-3 months and Apple redefines the roof again
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post #92 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

This is madness!

All the major manufacturers (Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp, LG, Sony etc) have their own "Smart TV" platforms.

There would have to be some significant looming outside threat from a company able to disrupt their existing business for them to throw out their own platforms and coalesce around Android as the defacto standard for Smart TV's.

exactly. the last thing the OEM's are going to do, ever, is let Google trap them again into depending on Google for their vital product ecosystem like happened with smartphones.

Sony is the most advanced so far. even tho Sony does sell a Google TV "internet TV" (a total flop), its new generation of HDTV's feature its own version, Home Entertainment Network, and also its own iTunes-like media store, Music/Video Unlimited. these services are also being extended to its PS Certified products - the PS3, Xperia Play Android smartphones, and upcoming PSP Vita (but not so far to its Windows computers). and the entire package of all these services is being built in to its new Android Tablet S/P.

this is a impressive new ecosystem. it is the most like Apple's by far because Sony also makes/sells/supports the full range of hardware for it. there will even be a new generation of Sony retail stores (the previous ones flopped).

but sadly for Sony, its brand has devolved into just one more option in a very crowded but profitless commodity products market, especially HDTV's and its Android products (which emphasizes mixing/matching many other providers' components/services, not just Sony's own). Apple has taken away the premium hardware market niche that Sony held for several decades, very likely permanently. which is why depending on Google's Android for anything is inevitably a dead end for Sony.
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post #93 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

exactly. the last thing the OEM's are going to do, ever, is let Google trap them again into depending on Google for their vital product ecosystem like happened with smartphones.

Sony is the most advanced so far. even tho Sony does sell a Google TV "internet TV" (a total flop), its new generation of HDTV's feature its own version, Home Entertainment Network, and also its own iTunes-like media store, Music/Video Unlimited. these services are also being extended to its PS Certified products - the PS3, Xperia Play Android smartphones, and upcoming PSP Vita (but not so far to its Windows computers). and the entire package of all these services is being built in to its new Android Tablet S/P.

this is a impressive new ecosystem. it is the most like Apple's by far because Sony also makes/sells/supports the full range of hardware for it. there will even be a new generation of Sony retail stores (the previous ones flopped).

but sadly for Sony, its brand has devolved into just one more option in a very crowded but profitless commodity products market, especially HDTV's and its Android products (which emphasizes mixing/matching many other providers' components/services, not just Sony's own). Apple has taken away the premium hardware market niche that Sony held for several decades, very likely permanently. which is why depending on Google's Android for anything is inevitably a dead end for Sony.


why would Samsung care about Goggle's trap. They have gone from nothing to 25% of the smart phone market.
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post #94 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by jmc54 View Post

pay no attention, he went to the ballmer school of management and marketing

A fully owned subsidary of the South Homerville Institute of Torpitude
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post #95 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:26am
Google needs to stick Eric in a broom closet and leave him there.
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post #96 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Has Gene Munster, Shaw Wu etc.

No.

Eric isn't so much predicting as doing the classic "we aren't worried so don't sell your stock" yeah we are doing awesome things move. Yeah it makes him seem like a very special boy but it's not an uncommon tactic.

Google's problem is that you can say "we are doing awesome things" almost with impunity. After all, if you're doing anything at all, you can claim that in your view, it's awesome, so you're not lying. In this case, though, Schmidt made a very specific claim:
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By the summer of 2012, the majority of the televisions you see in stores will have Google TV embedded in it," he said.

When you make a specific claim like that, you're opening yourself up for liability. If by summer of 2012, the majority of TVs in stores do NOT have Google TV, he's just opened themselves up for massive shareholder lawsuits. And if their share price drops between now and then, it could cost them billions.

One of the first things you learn as a CEO is that you NEVER, EVER, EVER make quantitative, factual claims about your future business. Schmidt just violated that major rule.

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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

I'm with you 110% on this. What concerns me is if Google did, in fact, ink some deals with all the major players in the TV arena, what kind of choice is that going to leave us with..

I'm with you. If every major brand has Google TV except one, I'll buy the one that doesn't have Google TV. And if EVERY suitable TV has GoogleTV, i'll put off buying a TV as long as possible. My current TVs will continue to work for a long time. The LAST thing I want is Google invading my living room.
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post #97 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Google needs to stick Eric in a broom closet and leave him there.

Potentially not a good idea with all those cleaning supplies stored there, and the risk of suststance inhalation abuse. Could make matters worse.
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post #98 of 160
12/8/11 at 8:51am
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the Motorola acquisition here. Motorola makes a good portion of all cable boxes in the US (haven't found a number), and this along with Google's partnerships with many of the major TV manufacturers (the same as their phone manufacturers) makes this statement seem pretty plausible. I don't know how Schmidt thinks they'll have market share quite so quickly, but all of the pieces are in place.
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post #99 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:00am
How does Google fit in the TV market, there only product was a complete failure. To complicated, to expensive, no licensing for any of the content so all of the content providers blocked Google TV. Why would anyone buy and trust Google anymore, especially if you end up with a box and no services of any kind.
Apple is doing it right and I'll wait for Apple to come out with something, even they are the last ones because being first doesn't always mean being the best. Google proved that quite well now didn't they.
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post #100 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Citing the mobile platform's high volume of sales, Schmidt told developers that they would want to support Android "whether [they] like Ice Cream Sandwich or not."

Wow, the assimilation as the new Microsoft is pretty much complete, isn't it...
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post #101 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by sciwiz View Post

Except, that's not what he said.

"Whether you like Ice Cream Sandwich or not, you will want to develop for it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...n5Ypio#t=2595s

Except for the bracketed pronoun change - which is a well-accepted journalistic practice to clarify quotes - how is that any different. Your YouTube reference just flip-flops the two phrases -- "they'll build... whether they like it or not" versus "whether [they] like it or not, they'll build".
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post #102 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:12am
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

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post #103 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:18am
Has this guy (and manufacturers) ever wondered that some people WILL NOT BUY a TV with Google TV built in?

I have no use/need for Google TV and WILL NOT buy a TV that helps Google learn about my TV viewing habits to better push advertising.
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post #104 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the Motorola acquisition here. Motorola makes a good portion of all cable boxes in the US (haven't found a number), and this along with Google's partnerships with many of the major TV manufacturers (the same as their phone manufacturers) makes this statement seem pretty plausible. I don't know how Schmidt thinks they'll have market share quite so quickly, but all of the pieces are in place.

Motorola/Google's set top boxes are irrelevant. Schmidt claimed that GoogleTV would be embedded in the TV itself- not the set top box.
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post #105 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:38am
Shareholders should hold Schmidt to his "material" statement. I predict Eric will be changing his name before this happens, though.
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post #106 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

Has this guy (and manufacturers) ever wondered that some people WILL NOT BUY a TV with Google TV built in?

I have no use/need for Google TV and WILL NOT buy a TV that helps Google learn about my TV viewing habits to better push advertising.

I wouldn't quite go that far.

IF all of my existing TVs break and IF there are no non-Google TVs on the market, then I would probably buy a Google TV. Other than that? Nope.
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post #107 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Motorola/Google's set top boxes are irrelevant. Schmidt claimed that GoogleTV would be embedded in the TV itself- not the set top box.

How can you say that's irrelevant? Perhaps standalone cable boxes will be a thing of the past. It would make perfect sense to me to have an integrated cable box as TVs become more like computers. Consolidation and miniaturization are the name of the game in the tech world. Motorola can easily miniaturize their boxes, and OEMs can easily incorporate them into devices.
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post #108 of 160
12/8/11 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I think his last sentence may be implying that Apple is that outside looming threat that would make all the vendors want to get together to defend against Apple, even if it means partnering with Google for Android.

I think Sir Howard Stringer said as much recently, although he says Sony been developing their own next gen TV to counter an anticipated move by Apple. In other words, Sony will not depend on the Google TV solution.
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post #109 of 160
12/8/11 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by cy_starkman View Post

Perhaps the next uber company will succeed by selling CE products with free drugs to it's hapless consumers. Or you just sign your ass up to be on call for use by auction to the lowest bidder and get a free phone.

"man this is the best phone and tv ever, cost me nothing plus free calls, music, videos, games"
"yeah but you get ass raped by strangers"
"nah man, I don't even notice cause I'm too busy shoving my brain full of free shit, I can't believe people would pay for things, they are stupid sheep"
"yeah but yer ass..."
"I never used it for much anyway and it is not like I see the person doing me cause I signed up for the free laptop plus glory hole gold class option, 20mins a week"

Our society is on a dark path

Best post of the month.

I'm thrilled to see so many people finally getting it. As someone who has been paying close attention to these trends for years (it's more than just Goog, btw, think Facebook, and others), it's been frustrating to see so many people mindlessly ignoring the long-term consequences of getting shit "for free". Now, many of you here are paying more attention, and that's the first step in societal change.

Sure, most joe-six-pack dudes aren't paying attention yet, any many never will, but people on this board, and others like it, are tech-inclined, more likely to be on the early side of tech trends. More likely to be advice-givers and thought-leaders. It's up to us to make sure the general, ignorant public starts to understand the issues. We need to ensure that jragosta's future (nightmare) where all his TVs break and there's nothing left on the market that's non-Google doesn't happen.
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post #110 of 160
12/8/11 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the Motorola acquisition here. Motorola makes a good portion of all cable boxes in the US (haven't found a number), and this along with Google's partnerships with many of the major TV manufacturers (the same as their phone manufacturers) makes this statement seem pretty plausible. I don't know how Schmidt thinks they'll have market share quite so quickly, but all of the pieces are in place.

While I was unable to find those particular cable-TV box manufacturer statistics, I was able to locate the following data:

1. There are over 160 million set-top boxes in the US. (2011, www.dailytech.com)

2. The top manufacturers are (in apparent decending order): Motorola, Cisco Systems, ADB,
ChangHong, Coship, HUMAX, Jiuzhou, Pace Micro Technology, Panasonic, Samsung, Skyworth, and Thomson. (2007, www.worldresearchandmartets.com).

Personally, I would have thought Scientific Atlanta to be in that mix.
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post #111 of 160
12/8/11 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Even as rumors of an Apple television set continue to swirl, Google Chairman Eric Schmidt has claimed that company's Google TV platform will be embedded on the "majority" of televisions in stores by next summer. [...]

The only way that could ever happen is if Google bought the "majority" of TV manufacturers and embedded Google TV in it themselves.

I don't think Google has that kind of cash. Not after paying the sucker price for Motorola Mobile.

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post #112 of 160
12/8/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

The only way that could ever happen is if Google bought the "majority" of TV manufacturers and embedded Google TV in it themselves.

Sounds a lot like Borg bio-mechanical implants and assimilation techniques to me.
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post #113 of 160
12/8/11 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

How can you say that's irrelevant? Perhaps standalone cable boxes will be a thing of the past. It would make perfect sense to me to have an integrated cable box as TVs become more like computers. Consolidation and miniaturization are the name of the game in the tech world. Motorola can easily miniaturize their boxes, and OEMs can easily incorporate them into devices.

Of course. The OEMS CAN do all sorts of things. But there's absolutely no reason to believe that this is going to happen in the next 3 months (which would be necessary to have the majority of systems on the shelf next summer have Google TV inside.
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post #114 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

The only way that could ever happen is if Google bought the "majority" of TV manufacturers and embedded Google TV in it themselves.

I don't think Google has that kind of cash. Not after paying the sucker price for Motorola Mobile.

The Motorola deal cost significantly less than we assume.
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post #115 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

The Motorola deal cost significantly less than we assume.

Really? Care to provide some evidence?

The deal was listed at $12.5 B. There were accumulated tax credits worth several billion. So how much less than that was the cost of the deal?
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post #116 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Really? Care to provide some evidence?

The deal was listed at $12.5 B. There were accumulated tax credits worth several billion. So how much less than that was the cost of the deal?

There's the tax credits and the 3.2B that Motorola has. The cash itself makes the deal 25% less than the upfront cost.

Not saying anything about whether or not it was worth it, just saying it cost less than people assume.
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post #117 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:41am
I haven't read the whole thread, but this headline really made me laugh. Having Google TV in half of TVs really means nothing. It doesn't help sell hardware as Apple TV does, and presumably as an actual Apple Television set will. Many people will not use it...it will just be there. Google is dreaming on this one.
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post #118 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Of course. The OEMS CAN do all sorts of things. But there's absolutely no reason to believe that this is going to happen in the next 3 months (which would be necessary to have the majority of systems on the shelf next summer have Google TV inside.

I'm glad we agree then.
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post #119 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

There's the tax credits and the 3.2B that Motorola has. The cash itself makes the deal 25% less than the upfront cost.

Not saying anything about whether or not it was worth it, just saying it cost less than people assume.

Since I (and most people who bother to stay informed) knew about those things, how is that less than we assumed?
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post #120 of 160
12/8/11 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

I wouldn't quite go that far.

IF all of my existing TVs break and IF there are no non-Google TVs on the market, then I would probably buy a Google TV. Other than that? Nope.

Well to be fair, I buy Panasonic Professional Plasma displays. So I am not too worried as those aren't going anywhere but for general consumers, this could be a big negative.
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