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Amazon delivered its low cost Kindle Fire tablet primarily as a way for users to browse and buy digital content, but it omitted parental controls that can block access to pornography, explicit content or allow unattended kids to "charge up a storm" on their parents' account.

Caryn Talty, a parent blogger at HealthyFamily.org noted that while the Kindle Fire was a "very cool, sleek electronic toy," it "has no parental monitoring safeguards installed on the device or available through a software download."

Talty observed that "anyone handling the device can buy whatever material they wish (electronic downloads and merchandise shipped to your door)," thanks to the way the Fire is linked to the buyer's Amazon account.

While that makes it easy to buy Android apps and stream movies from Amazon's Prime service, it complicates efforts by parents who are considering buying the device as a gift for their children.



"I was able to access 'The Iron Giant' for free on my device," Talty wrote. "Its a cute PG cartoon movie that is appropriate for my 1st grader to view. But I also noticed that 'Basic Instinct 2' and 'Striptease' with Demi Moore was also available. I certainly dont want my 8 year old son watching that in the back seat of our car on the way to grandmas house."

In addition to providing unrestricted, easy access to adult movies, the Kindle Fire also has no parental controls on its Silk web browser, making it easy for children to access hard core adult content, even inadvertently.

In contrast, Apple's iOS and iPod devices were designed from the start with Parental Control settings that enable parents to block iTunes downloads by ratings (including free content such as podcasts), and Apple enables parents to selectively turn off web access via Safari or third party browsers; restrict access to YouTube, Location Services and the ability to install new apps. It's also not possible to place purchases without authorization.



Fire offers an "an unsafe environment for children"

In addition to allowing children to access inappropriate content, Kindle Fire also allows anyone with physical access to the device to place purchases on the owner's account, thanks to Amazon's 1-Click instant ordering service, which is activated by default.

A report by Reuters noted that Amazon's new tablet "has some parents bristling over the simplicity at which children can order from the retail giant and the inability to stop them without crippling the device."

The report stated, "that means anyone who is holding that device can place an order, whether it's their account or not. No prompts come up to confirm the purchase or ask for a password."

Amazon offered a statement saying, "we do provide customers with parental controls for purchasing in-app items," adding, "We're also working on adding additional parental controls." Currently, there are no controls to block purchases of music, books, magazines, movies or apps by ratings or categorically, and no settings that block access to explicit adult content via the included Silk web browser.

The report cited Gary Davis, the director of consumer product marketing at McAfee, as saying "any device that has an unfiltered connection to the Internet is an unsafe environment for children. Parents need to be aware that the Fire is more than a standard e-reader, and take appropriate precautions when allowing children access to the device."

Turn off 1-Click, apps stop working

Buyers can order the device as a gift so it is not linked to their account, and It's also possible to deregister Kindle Fire after ordering it. However, doing so cripples the device. The report described the experience of software engineer Lance Durham, who bought two for his children.

After purchasing some games to preload on the devices, Durham noted he could place orders without confirmation. Amazon's only advice was to deregister the device after each purchase, but Durham said that caused the downloaded apps to stop working. "He returned the tablets," Reuters stated.

Other reports have noted that turning off 1-Click on the Kindle Fire doesn't necessarily stop unauthorized purchases. Even after turning it off, multiple users have stated that the Kindle Fire continues to allow them to buy or rent Amazon content without asking for an account password.
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…allow unattended kids to "charge up a storm" on their parents' account.

Being fair, how many complaints about Smurfberries have we seen here?

It's completely inexcusable on any platform that something like that would be allowed, and, on a personal note, I've always hated the idea of 'in-app purchases'. Sell it to me up front and give me the full version.

I'm not against DLC, though, unless it's a situation in which those that DON'T pay are at a competitive disadvantage (like the new way Team Fortress 2 operates, for example. At least, I think. I haven't played that for years, and back then it was like a real game should operate).

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Even after turning it off, multiple users have stated that the Kindle Fire continues to allow them to buy or rent Amazon content without asking for an account password.

That's particularly funny.

As to the porn, I'll avoid the "A platform that allows access to Flash-based websites which are generally filled with people flashing" pun, I think.

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Those parents are ignorant. I knew about this weeks ago, and I'm not a parent. Either way, I don't care about those people's kids. So let them watch porn.

The iPad is the best and most secure babysitter for a kid. People who cheap out can't really complain. You get what you pay for.
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Hmmmmm, I'll have to go to rent-a-family, rent some kids for a couple of months... then when the porn charges show up on the credit card... "Oh honey, it's those darn kids!".
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The iPad is the best and most secure babysitter for a kid. People who cheap out can't really complain.:

So much easier than actually parenting, huh?
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So much easier than actually parenting, huh?

I don't have any kids, so it is not something that concerns me at the moment.

When and if I do have any kids, they can be assured of one thing, they will only have access to Apple gear, as there is plenty of that in my house.

Being the great and loving parent that I'm sure that I would be, my kids will never have to suffer, growing up using second rate junk, like an Android tablet.
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Is this an Apple site or a Kindle Fire site? Oh yeah, the Kindle Fire is potentially a threat to a beloved Apple product. Therefore anything potentially negative about it must be reported immediately.

*sigh*

Like I've commented previously, I have numerous iOS devices and love them, and loved this blog to find out about new Apple stuff. But alas, it's time to dump you from my RSS feed reader. I'm not an Apple zealot, and can't deal with anymore of the "bash everyone else" stories.

Look, if I care about the Kindle Fire (or any other product for that matter), I'll go read the pros and cons on sites that cover that stuff. I expected *APPLE*Insider to be about, oh... I dunno... APPLE STUFF.

*sigh*

Guess that's not the case. You'll probably tell yourself "good riddance" or "who cares" or whatever, but I will say that perhaps you'd have more readers if you focused on your niche, and stopped with all the bashing of others stuff. I mean, an occasional post about the competition is probably to be expected, but lately it's one negative Kindle Fire story after another. Enough already!

It's been nice. \
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How is The Iron Giant "cute"?
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It's completely inexcusable on any platform that something like that would be allowed, and, on a personal note, I've always hated the idea of 'in-app purchases'. Sell it to me up front and give me the full version.

I can think of countless uses for legitimate in-app purchases. Purchases in which I'm glad didn't require me to buy separate apps that have to constantly be switched in order to utilize. The problem is when its abused, but Apple has taken care of that sufficiently on their end by protecting accounts, though I think they should have anticipated this abuse from the get go.

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How is The Iron Giant "cute"?

I'm certain Caryn Talty wasn't searching for a "cute PG cartoon" when she was typing in 'The Iron Giant'...
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Is this an Apple site or a Kindle Fire site?

You should know that every single tablet that gets released is directly related to the iPad, so it makes perfect sense to be talking about other tablets every once in a while.

When you go to Amazon and read about the Kindle, you'll notice that the word "iPad" is mentioned a few times.
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When and if I do have any kids, they can be assured of one thing, they will only have access to Apple gear, as there is plenty of that in my house.

Being the great and loving parent that I'm sure that I would be, my kids will never have to suffer, growing up using second rate junk, like an Android tablet.

So - you won't subject them to the "porn" called Windows? Hope they don't have to work around any of this "junk" - maybe by the time they get jobs, Microsoft stuff will just be a distant memory.

I can just hear you waxing all techie nostalgic in a bedtime story to the kiddies: "When I was your age, I had to reboot my windows PC at least 3 times everyday, and had to suffer the blue screen of death on numerous occasions. And, I actually had to use a device to interact with it - called a mouse, and it all had to be connected by "wires". " (as the kids are rolling their eyes).
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Seriously, this is a huge flaw in the Amazon Fire. if your Fire is lost or stolen ... and that happens a significant number of times. hope you can dispute the credit card charge. and you'd be crazy to hand it blindly to your teenager. when these things go sideways with teens, it's not funny at all.

this is incompetence of the highest order. why isn't Consumer Repots screaming bloody murder? where is the demand for a recall?
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So Amazon is enabling kids to play with Fire. Have a cigarette.
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So - you won't subject them to the "porn" called Windows? Hope they don't have to work around any of this "junk" - maybe by the time they get jobs, Microsoft stuff will just be a distant memory.

"When I was your age, I had to reboot my windows PC 3 times everyday, and had to suffer the blue screen of death on numerous occasions. And, I actually had to use a device to interact with it - called a mouse (as the kids are rolling their eyes).

There are certain jobs where people don't ever have to touch Windows. I've never owned a Windows machine in my entire life.
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why isn't Consumer Repots screaming bloody murder? where is the demand for a recall?

Too busy putting disclaimers in about the iPhone 4S.

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And unlike the iPhone 4, the iPhone 4S doesn't have an antenna problem.

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While I can understand the pluses of having parental controls, ultimately parents need to be responsible for their childrens' activities. If the Fire doesn't work for you, don't buy one. If Amazon loses enough sales over this issue, they will fix the problem. That's how capitalism works.
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But the Fire is so cheap.
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There are certain jobs where people don't ever have to touch Windows. I've never owned a Windows machine in my entire life.

Amen to that...
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Originally Posted by skolvikings View Post

Is this an Apple site or a Kindle Fire site? Oh yeah, the Kindle Fire is potentially a threat to a beloved Apple product. Therefore anything potentially negative about it must be reported immediately.

*sigh*

Like I've commented previously, I have numerous iOS devices and love them, and loved this blog to find out about new Apple stuff. But alas, it's time to dump you from my RSS feed reader. I'm not an Apple zealot, and can't deal with anymore of the "bash everyone else" stories.

Look, if I care about the Kindle Fire (or any other product for that matter), I'll go read the pros and cons on sites that cover that stuff. I expected *APPLE*Insider to be about, oh... I dunno... APPLE STUFF.

*sigh*

Guess that's not the case. You'll probably tell yourself "good riddance" or "who cares" or whatever, but I will say that perhaps you'd have more readers if you focused on your niche, and stopped with all the bashing of others stuff. I mean, an occasional post about the competition is probably to be expected, but lately it's one negative Kindle Fire story after another. Enough already!

It's been nice. \

The reason you're leaving is the reason so many of us who happen to be fans of other OSes are here. Ironic.

There's a HUGE noticeable difference between liking Apple products and even the way the company is run (like my cousin, a business man, Apple product owner, Steve Jobs fan) and the kind of cult-like behavior seen online.
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You can buy porn directly from amazon.com. How much of a surprise should it be that their devices deliver porn too?

As someone upstream said, that's they get for cheaping out. Buy an iPad.
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what's ironic is that the Android market allows you to password protect purchases. lol.

Good job Amazon.../s
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Given that it runs a version of Android, that should really be the target of criticism. I couldn't immediately find parental controls in stock Android either and while the Market app seems to have some, it's not the case system-wide. If Google hasn't addressed this in newer versions like Ice-Cream Sandwich, it should probably rank quite highly on their todo list.
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Haha, love it when people complain about parental controls on devices and there children being able to view porn. Its not like you just stumble a cross porn you do actually have to search for it, and if you kid wants to look at it then your not going to stop them. Plus seriously what is the big deal, there going to learn what sex is at some point.
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There are certain jobs where people don't ever have to touch Windows. I've never owned a Windows machine in my entire life.

I am fortunate to have one of those too.

Windows? Ugh. Never.
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The reason you're leaving is the reason so many of us who happen to be fans of other OSes are here. Ironic.

It makes no sense for people who don't like Apple to be here. You're never going to find me on an Android forum talking about how much Android sucks or how great Apple is.
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This is old news! Seth Meyers talked about this months ago on Weekend Update.

46 seconds in:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...0-1-11/1359601

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Plus seriously what is the big deal, there going to learn what sex is at some point.

There's nothing wrong with porn, but if you think that having a seven year old kid watch porn is ok, then I feel sorry for your children.
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Ha ha ha... Amazon did'nt think through any of this. None. Sometimes 'ship early' is really bad

There is a big difference in a company that invests the creative energy to create a great user experience...and those that don't. You only can pretend for so long

That said, the Fire is a Christmas gift to Apple. As bad as it is, it will derail all the ongoing Android efforts

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I don't get it. Pull up "Iron Giant", hand it to your kid in the back seat and remind him that only Mom or Dad can put movies on it.

When we used to eventually get to grandma's, grandpa usually was playing poker and cussing and drinking. And my folks told me not to go in the den when he was. (Either way I didn't turn out much of a cusser, drinker or gambler, though it wasn't for lack of trying).

I don't get it. You don't want to tell your kid how you want him to behave? What he can't do? Isn't that the whole point of parenting?
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I am fortunate to have one of those too.

Windows? Ugh. Never.

OWS member? Parking lot attendant? Why are you so proud you have never used Windows? Hard to say "ugh" about something you have never tried.
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Is this an Apple site or a Kindle Fire site? Oh yeah, the Kindle Fire is potentially a threat to a beloved Apple product. Therefore anything potentially negative about it must be reported immediately.

*sigh*

Like I've commented previously, I have numerous iOS devices and love them, and loved this blog to find out about new Apple stuff. But alas, it's time to dump you from my RSS feed reader. I'm not an Apple zealot, and can't deal with anymore of the "bash everyone else" stories.

I agree. Either report in a balanced way about competitors' products or don't report about them at all.

It is reporting like this which gives the Apple fan community a bad name. The Kindle Fire has generally been well-received; it is disingenuous to focus solely on relatively minor negative aspects such as this. What is the purpose of this site; to inform, or to whip the fanboy crowd into a frenzy?
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OWS member? Parking lot attendant? Why are you so proud you have never used Windows? Hard to say "ugh" about something you have never tried.

It is highly unlikely that I would ever be an OWS member, as those people are scum.

I've never owned a Windows machine, but I have tried it and seen it occasionally, as a few friends had such machines. I know enough about it to know that I don't like it and it looks hideous.

I avoid it like the plague and I would even turn down a job, if it required using Windows. Luckily, I get to choose my own tools that I use.
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It is reporting like this which gives the Apple fan community a bad name.

It's a completely legitimate issue to report about. Would you prefer that news was censored like in North Korea and we could all pretend that this issue doesn't exist?

And who cares about what Fandroids might think about the Apple fan community? Those people suck. The Apple fan community doesn't need to care about what losers might think about them.
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Being fair, how many complaints about Smurfberries have we seen here?

And Apple countered that there were parental controls from day one and the parents weren't using them. Or worse where telling their kids the passwords.

Amazon isn't even asking for passwords or giving parents controls to turn on

And you would think after all the Apple stuff they would have thought of that

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I don't get it. Pull up "Iron Giant", hand it to your kid in the back seat and remind him that only Mom or Dad can put movies on it.

Clearly you don't have kids. Because if you did you would know how easily they can click on something just because they are curious what it does and suddenly you just bought $5000 in stuff.

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Being the great and loving parent that I'm sure that I would be, my kids will never have to suffer, growing up using second rate junk, like an Android tablet.

And I am sure you will be a great and loving parent but it is very obvious that you don't have kids now. Most kids, you see, are hard wired to rebel. That's how they grow up to become independent beings. With an Apple nut of a parent, no matter how great and loving, it's fairly certain that your kid will want something else than an Apple. Sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but I speak from experience. "I want a Blackberry, I hate texting on my iPod" (silence, then.) "You WHAT???? You want , WHAT??" and I have to tell you - I lost the ensuing battle.
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OWS member? Parking lot attendant? Why are you so proud you have never used Windows? Hard to say "ugh" about something you have never tried.

Hmmm... why do [some] people have to make their comments personal?

In the 80s and 90s all of my Macs just worked. My friends who were using pc's were having a myriad of problems... every last person I knew... problems, problems, problems.

After Steve came back the Mac just got better and better... there was never ever a reason to switch to a system that had been so terrible in the 90s, even if it got better as it finally entered the 21st century.
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