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post #81 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:19pm
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How does one report an egregious flaw that many people will consider unacceptable, in a "balanced way"?

Seriously, what a stupid thing to write. Do you also complain on every damn Gizmodo post that what they're saying is negative and not balanced in a universally ecumenical sort of way? STFU

If you had actually read my whole post before foaming at the mouth and issuing personal insults, you would have realised that in mentioning 'balance' I was referring to AI's posts on the Kindle Fire as a whole being unjustifiably negative, not calling for balance within one specific post.
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post #82 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:22pm
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Well, I wouldn't say that it's the parents' fault necessarily, but it sure is a different issue than the controls on the device they used to order it. If they want it, they'll find it, and if you lock yours down and they are determined to do it they'll do it from a friend's.

But as a parent, aren't you also responsible for their morals -- for what makes them want to go around to a friend's place and look at it? I'm talking about very young children here, not teenagers who have a mind of their own.

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Device controls can be a good thing, but they solve only one aspect of a larger issue: they move the cookie jar higher. They don't make anything go away.

Yes, it is not a total solution. I would merely advocate that the parent spend some time with any device they intend to give to their kid, and "vet" it first. If they find it has an unlocked web browser then take it back to the Store and swap it for an iPod Touch.
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post #83 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Corrections View Post

The only feature of the Kindle Fire that has been well received is its $199 price.

It has an average of 4/5 stars in Amazon customer reviews. Not spectacular, but pretty good.

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Yep, that's the main reason that some people are liking that so-called tablet. It's all about the cheap price. These people do not care about quality or features, they care about their broke wallet.

What exactly is wrong with some people preferring something cheap to something which is superior but much more expensive?

Since when was the premium market the only market that mattered?
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post #84 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:35pm
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If this were an Apple product, it would be Pornogate and Al Franken would be investigating.

What a double standard! They are unfair to Apple!
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post #85 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:40pm
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What exactly is wrong with some people preferring something cheap to something which is superior but much more expensive?

Since when was the premium market the only market that mattered?

For Apple, it's the only market that matters. When asked about it, Steve Jobs once said that Apple would never ship junk, as that is simply something that goes against what they believe in.

I happen to agree with that, and one of the reasons that I like and buy Apple products is because they don't make junk. Of course there's a market for junk out there, but those people who buy such stuff shouldn't expect any praise from me for their cheap and inferior products, as that goes against my philosophy.
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post #86 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:48pm
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There are certain jobs where people don't ever have to touch Windows. I've never owned a Windows machine in my entire life.

I'm glad that job at Taco Bell is working out for you.
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post #87 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I am fortunate to have one of those too.

Windows? Ugh. Never.

Which one of you works the drive thru at Taco Bell?
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post #88 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:50pm
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What exactly is wrong with some people preferring something cheap to something which is superior but much more expensive?

Since when was the premium market the only market that mattered?

Nothing, if you need an Android-powered cutting board.

"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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post #89 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:54pm
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I'm glad that job at Taco Bell is working out for you.

If I were working at Taco Bell, I'm pretty sure that I would be an Android user, using one of them free phones that everybody is giving out.

I'd also be praising the Kindle Fire, if I were working at Taco Bell.
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post #90 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:55pm
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You are in no position to talk about an unwavering devotion for something.

You are much more fanatical, since you admit that you prefer Android, yet you choose to constantly visit an Apple site.

You sound ridiculous by accusing me of being an Apple fan on an Apple site.

If I were half as fanatical as you were, I would be on Android forums trying to spread the Apple gospel. As a matter of fact, I don't give a shit what they talk about on those forums.

find one post where I'm preaching Google or Android using any established talking point such as the much used "open"

have fun.

And no...I do not view ANYONE as a lesser being simply because they like iOS over whatever...hell iOSis the only other OS I'd use (and do use on my iPad) as far as I can tell and as far as I have touched.

I'm here...because I enjoy it...and I do read articles too, I just don't comment on everything.

Mac OS news is important to me as I'm in for a new computer and I do not like what I see with Windows 8 and will probably buy an Apple computer.
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post #91 of 151
12/9/11 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Euphonious View Post

Since when was the premium market the only market that mattered?

Apparently since 2007...
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post #92 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:01pm
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Mac OS news is important to me as I'm in for a new computer and I do not like what I see with Windows 8 and will probably buy an Apple computer.

You're in luck, because the Mac lineup has never been stronger. No matter what you choose, you'll get a nice machine. From the Mac Mini, to the Macbook Air, or the MBP or an iMac or even a Mac Pro, though I'd wait a little bit with getting a Mac Pro, as those haven't been updated in quite a while, and it's best to wait until 2012 when the new ones come out.
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post #93 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:05pm
Not good!
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post #94 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:07pm
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If I were working at Taco Bell, I'm pretty sure that I would be an Android user, using one of them free phones that everybody is giving out.

I'd also be praising the Kindle Fire, if I were working at Taco Bell.

I still don't understand the myth that somehow Apple products are more expensive. Anyone that uses or wanted and Android phone did it because they like the phone. Price has nothing to do with the choice.

The iPhone 4 could be had for 99.00, the 3Gs for nothing. I have the 4s and the price falls in line with just about every newly released Android phone I have seen.

Another AI tradition is most on this forum never use the products they bash. Kind of like making a comment about Windows when you have never used a Windows system.
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post #95 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:17pm
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I still don't understand the myth that somehow Apple products are more expensive.

I actually agree with you, as I find that Apple products are more affordable now than they've ever been. They sell their last two OS's for $29, they have a laptop for less than $1000. That was certainly not the case some years ago. And the iPad is a steal at $500. It's even way cheaper than that now since Apple has slashed their refurbished price just recently, if somebody is thrifty.
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post #96 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:24pm
My children are young but I have a 4 year old that like to print out a picture of a doll. I have to be very sure that safesearch for google is on before I enter that in the image search engine. You don't have to be looking for porn to find it. As for people that say teach you kids. At 6 my son is perfectly capable to pay for one click stuff but not old enough to know what that really means. I don't have a tablet right now but If I buy one it will not be a kindle because of what is said here. Just like I wouldn't give my kid a credit card and say only use if you are in trouble. Teens and maybe even pre-teens can be taught this stuff but no children. They are not tall enough to look at the magazines on the top shelf. They are on the top shelf for a reason (parental control) My visa has a pin - again serves as perental control. We do have to teach are children - but not everything right away. They can be young for a while. Sometimes they might want to watch a movie in the back of the car. It would be great if there was a cheap tablet for it. But I would rather have rather pay more so I can choose what they are going to learn about not have everything exposed.
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post #97 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:28pm
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I actually agree with you, as I find that Apple products are more affordable now than they've ever been. They sell their last two OS's for $29, they have a laptop for less than $1000. That was certainly not the case some years ago. And the iPad is a steal at $500. It's even way cheaper than that now since Apple has slashed their refurbished price just recently, if somebody is thrifty.

While I use a MBP when I look at what you can get in an iMac its a great deal no matter what model someone gets.

The only Apple model I feel is a bit overpriced is the MBP 17". I have to admit I was 100% wrong when it came to the iPad. When I got the iPad 2 I found the more I used it the more uses I found for it. I use is so often I pretty much have to charge it every night.
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post #98 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:34pm
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You're in luck, because the Mac lineup has never been stronger. No matter what you choose, you'll get a nice machine. From the Mac Mini, to the Macbook Air, or the MBP or an iMac or even a Mac Pro, though I'd wait a little bit with getting a Mac Pro, as those haven't been updated in quite a while, and it's best to wait until 2012 when the new ones come out.

that's my plan.
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post #99 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:35pm
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While I use a MBP when I look at what you can get in an iMac its a great deal no matter what model someone gets.

The only Apple model I feel is a bit overpriced is the MBP 17". I have to admit I was 100% wrong when it came to the iPad. When I got the iPad 2 I found the more I used it the more uses I found for it. I use is so often I pretty much have to charge it every night.

The iPad and more/most importantly the iOS ecosystem is simply amazing...awesome in its most dramatic sense.
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post #100 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by jlandd View Post

Well, I wouldn't say that it's the parents' fault necessarily, but it sure is a different issue than the controls on the device they used to order it. If they want it, they'll find it, and if you lock yours down and they are determined to do it they'll do it from a friend's.


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But as a parent, aren't you also responsible for their morals -- for what makes them want to go around to a friend's place and look at it? I'm talking about very young children here, not teenagers who have a mind of their own.

Yes, I agree it's a parent's responsibility. But it's also not their *fault necessarily* when the child does something wrong like the charging $5,000 example. And it's often how things are dealt with afterwards that makes the bigger difference and sets the path.

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Device controls can be a good thing, but they solve only one aspect of a larger issue: they move the cookie jar higher. They don't make anything go away.


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Yes, it is not a total solution. I would merely advocate that the parent spend some time with any device they intend to give to their kid, and "vet" it first. If they find it has an unlocked web browser then take it back to the Store and swap it for an iPod Touch.

Absolutely. Things are so complicated these days, where a legit 10 year old's plaything has 10 layers of menus and is more complex than anything we had until we were 30 and we don't even want to try to get to bottom of it (though they have no problem navigating it) that we pass the buck a little too early. And what about those who won't swap it for the iPod Touch because the child's begging for the Fire? (Which is cheaper (and bigger) than the Touch, for cryin' out loud!! : ) )

I think Ms. Talty is off base on her blog post. Instead of expressing dismay at what she noticed on the Fire at the point that she did, she should have felt "Whoops. Didn't vet this one as well as I should have", and taken it from there. She seems to be taking herself out of the loop at bit too much, although to be fair we really can't tell from a few quotes taken out the context of her entire blog. She may have just been making an observation and not a complaining rant, which the headline veers us towards.
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post #101 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:46pm
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I have to admit I was 100% wrong when it came to the iPad. When I got the iPad 2 I found the more I used it the more uses I found for it. I use is so often I pretty much have to charge it every night.

I'm shocked!

It sounds like you're using your iPad 2 more than I use mine, and I happen to think that it's great too.

I do indeed remember the things that you wrote about the iPad before, but I'm not going to be a douche and rub it in your face. I'm glad that you like it. I don't need to charge mine every night, but I plug it in anyway, just so that the auto-cloud backup will commence.
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post #102 of 151
12/9/11 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Which one of you works the drive thru at Taco Bell?

What's a Taco Bell?
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post #103 of 151
12/9/11 at 9:07pm
But it's Free and Open and Wonderful and 100% Unicorn Safe!!!
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post #104 of 151
12/9/11 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

What's a Taco Bell?

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post #105 of 151
12/9/11 at 9:54pm
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I don't have any kids, so it is not something that concerns me at the moment.
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I think the phrase you're looking for is 'it is something about which I am completely ignorant but about which i choose to exhibit my ignorance.'
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post #106 of 151
12/9/11 at 10:10pm
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I think the phrase you're looking for is 'it is something about which I am completely ignorant but about which i choose to exhibit my ignorance.'

I believe that this topic was not about me, but about ignorant, cheapskate parents who bought a cheap tablet, and now they're whining about how it gives their kids access to porn.
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post #107 of 151
12/9/11 at 10:50pm
Kindle Fire + All other Android Devices
= rushed to market solutions
= second rate products

Apple iDevices
= time consumingly deep thought about solutions
= first rate products

Apple is probably solving solutions to next gen problems and issues for devices right now
In Cupertino, while all these other companies are sat around waiting for Apples next great ideas to copy.
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post #108 of 151
12/10/11 at 12:04am
I've actually always found ios' parental filtering to be pitiful as well. All or nothing? Is that the best they can do? They should partner with DNS filtering services to make it easy for parents to selectively filter the web on iOS devices. Would that be so hard? I'm sure the opendns' of the world would love to work with apple on something like that.
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post #109 of 151
12/10/11 at 12:06am
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I've actually always found ios' parental filtering to be pitiful as well. All or nothing? Is that the best they can do? They should partner with DNS filtering services to make it easy for parents to selectively filter the web on iOS devices. Would that be so hard? I'm sure the opendns' of the world would love to work with apple on something like that.

Install the Enterprise toll to get more granular control.

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post #110 of 151
12/10/11 at 12:58am
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Install the Enterprise toll to get more granular control.

Thanks for proving my point. Apple needs to make this easier.
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post #111 of 151
12/10/11 at 4:39am
Wow... so if you're one of these pathetic parents too lazy to actually parent and instead opt for a digital babysitter then the iPad is the best choice. (Don't worry - just convince yourself you're helping them "get ahead" by spending your money on your children instead of your time)

What a fantastic endorsement. \
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post #112 of 151
12/10/11 at 4:43am
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I'm passionate about... /snip boring stuff
/semi-coherent rant.

/back to the ignore list

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #113 of 151
12/10/11 at 6:11am
It's a shame that this thread has gotten so cluttered up with comments by Android fans and people who don't have kids but think they're experts on parenting. Personally, I don't think much of the argument that parents didn't research this product well enough. Where exactly has Amazon made it clear that the default behavior would be for you to purchase whatever you want without needing to enter a password, or that there would be no way to set age restriction limits on movie streaming? IMO, the former is a no-brainer that everyone should reasonably assume that any non-fly-by-night company would do, and the latter is at least a reasonable expectation.

I purchased a Nook Color for my daughter a while back. I was shocked to find out that the default behavior was to allow for book and magazine purchases to be made without needing to re-enter your B&N store password. After using the iPhone and iPod Touch for a long while, I assumed that the Nook would handle this sort of thing the same way as Apple or, more correctly stated, would do what should be universally recognized as how it *ought* to operate (just as I would expect a new car I purchased would have a lock and not allow anyone to get into and start the car without a key). At least I was able to change that, but it sounds like the Fire won't let you require a password to be entered for every purchase. If true, that's completely stupid.
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post #114 of 151
12/10/11 at 6:45am
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It's not a kids toy. Why is it Amazon's fault she isn't having them play DVDs on a portable DVD player instead?

Best point of all 100+ posts. I didn't even think about that until you posted it- but you're exactly right. I could say "oh- the iPad is totally secure".... Except for thousands of webpages. Google "big nude boobs" and go to images.

Refreshing post jlandd. If parents want to just hand their kids any tablet... Go for it. That's your right as a parent. But if they use it not supervised- it's no ones fault but your own. Kids are well... Kids.

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post #115 of 151
12/10/11 at 6:57am
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find one post where I'm preaching Google or Android using any established talking point such as the much used "open"

have fun.

And no...I do not view ANYONE as a lesser being simply because they like iOS over whatever...hell iOSis the only other OS I'd use (and do use on my iPad) as far as I can tell and as far as I have touched.

I'm here...because I enjoy it...and I do read articles too, I just don't comment on everything.

Mac OS news is important to me as I'm in for a new computer and I do not like what I see with Windows 8 and will probably buy an Apple computer.

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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I still don't understand the myth that somehow Apple products are more expensive. Anyone that uses or wanted and Android phone did it because they like the phone. Price has nothing to do with the choice.

The iPhone 4 could be had for 99.00, the 3Gs for nothing. I have the 4s and the price falls in line with just about every newly released Android phone I have seen.

Another AI tradition is most on this forum never use the products they bash. Kind of like making a comment about Windows when you have never used a Windows system.

Why does anyone even comment to this Apple ][ guy? It kind of defeats the purpose of me having him on ignore when people quote him about how dumb and unreasonable he is.

Yes- he has never used any product other than apple. Here is his next post- "apple is great, everything else sucks". Why respond to the drivel? He doesn't have kids, yet he posts in a thread about parental controls. He doesn't have a kindle, nor has he used one, but he posts more than anyone in every fire thread. He's a troll. Period. Search for the ignore feature, use it, let him talk to himself... He obviously thinks overly high of himself- with all his money he brags about (which all wealthy people do ), his "business he owns", and all his other "I'm better than you" posts. Im positive if you took a poll, the person who likes listening to his points the most is himself. Let it be so...

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post #116 of 151
12/10/11 at 6:59am
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There are certain jobs where people don't ever have to touch Windows. I've never owned a Windows machine in my entire life.

I've been working in computers practically since they first existed and I've never had a job where I had to use Windows. I've had jobs where I was forced to use DOS, but DOS was beautiful and fun before Windows came along.

The suggestion that in order to do "real work" you have to use Windows was never really true even back when everyone was spouting it as dogma. Nowadays, putting forward the idea that children will somehow be handicapped by not knowing about Windows is just ridiculous.
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post #117 of 151
12/10/11 at 7:03am
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Thanks for proving my point. Apple needs to make this easier.

Parental Controls are easy enough. I wasn't suggesting that Enterprise profiles should be the new Parental Controls. That wouldn't make it easier. But if you are one that is tech savvy and what more control that is your solution.

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post #118 of 151
12/10/11 at 7:11am
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what exactly is wrong with some people preferring something cheap to something which is superior but much more expensive?

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since when was the premium market the only market that mattered?

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post #119 of 151
12/10/11 at 7:12am
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Why does anyone even comment to this Apple ][ guy? It kind of defeats the purpose of me having him on ignore when people quote him about how dumb and unreasonable he is.

People often quote me because I make a lot more interesting and relevant posts than the whiny and jealous sounding nonsense that you come up with.

Oops. You have me on ignore, you can't read this, but maybe somebody else will quote this post, and then you can see it.

I think that you should also ignore anybody who dares to quote me, and then that should solve at least a few of the many problems and issues that you suffer from.
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12/10/11 at 7:13am
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Nowadays, putting forward the idea that children will somehow be handicapped by not knowing about Windows is just ridiculous.

Agreed.
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