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Sources within Apple's supply chain have suggested that the next generation of iPads will arrive on the market in the next 3-4 months.

DigiTimes claims that the Cupertino, Calif., company's manufacturing partners have already begun delivering parts and components for the third-generation iPad to OEM contractors while preparing to draw down production of the iPad 2, according to its sources.

The report went on to note that OEM production of the iPad 2 is expected to remain steady at 14-15 million units in the December quarter, before declining to 4-5 million units in the first quarter of 2012. Sources said production of the so-called iPad 3 will reach 9.5-9.8 million units next quarter.

China's Commercial Times has reported Citigroup analyst Kevin Chang as saying that Foxconn will begin producing the device in January ahead of large-scale production in February.

The firm also recently claimed that the third-gen iPad will arrive in February, a month earlier than DigiTimes' reported timeline. Analyst Richard Gardner said sources had indicated there were no "significant technical hurdles remaining" for the device.

Apple has thus far preferred to release previous generations of the iPad in the spring. The original iPad was announced in January 2010 and launched in April. The second-generation iPad was announced in March of this year and shipped later that month.

The next-generation iPad is widely believed to include a display with Retina Display-like quality. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Apple has invested in a Sharp factory for production of LCD panels for the next iPad. Those panels have been rumored to utilize IGZO (indium, gallium, zinc) technology to help provide a thinner design while improving battery life.

A recent report out of Japan claimed the iPad 3 may actually be slightly thicker than the current-generation iPad 2, though the reason for the purported increase remains unknown. The device will, however, reportedly still be compatible with Apple's Smart Cover.
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A February debut for the iPad doesn't make sense: A.) based on Apple's previous release history, and most importantly B.) the shutdown of various Chinese companies in observance of the Lunar New Year. The latter would affect the entire supply chain (i.e., most of the component suppliers), not just final assembly partners like Foxconn, Pegatron, etc.

One would assume that the next-generation iPad has a new SoC, presumably the A6, so again an early arrival doesn't seem plausible.

A March-April timeframe is much more believable.
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The next-generation iPad is widely believed to include a display with Retina Display-like quality. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Apple has invested in a Sharp factory for production of LCD panels for the next iPad. Those panels have been rumored to utilize IGZO (indium, gallium, zinc) technology



I hope it is a big beautiful Retina Display. That would be something to behold.

But I'll believe it when I see it.
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That makes perfect sense, as it puts it in line for it's yearly update and roughly 12 months since the last one was released. There will also be a huge demand for it, so many people won't be able to get one right away, just like with the iPad 2. So, even if it were to get released in 3-4 months, people shouldn't count on getting one right away. It could be a half a year away or more until it's actually easy to get your paws on one.

One thing is for sure though. There sure were a lot of suckers who bought into the ridiculous and dumb rumor that an iPad 3 would be released in the fall of 2011. That rumor was so damn stupid and ignorant, and I can't believe that anybody could actually fall for that one.
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These iPad3 rumors are all lining up...

I think we are overdue for some wide-eyed iPad4 rumors!
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Quad-core Cortex-A9-based A6 SoCs or dual-core Cortex-A15-based A6s? I'm going with quad-core Cortex-A9s (and quad-core GPUs).



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China's Commercial Times has reported Citigroup analyst Kevin Chang as saying that Foxconn will begin producing the device in January ahead of large-scale production in February.

If they aren't producing until January then we aren't likely getting these until March or April. I'd expect the production to have started in November or December for a February to March launch.


PS: Looks like Samsung might try to beat Apple to the punchwith a prototype Galaxy Tab with a 2560x1600 display. That's about 4ppi below what the Retina Display iPad will have at 264ppi, so basically on par with other in pixel density. However that's an extra million pixels, or about 30% more pixels to push so I wouldn't expect such a device to be on the market until at least 6 months after an iPad with Retina Display, to have poor performance and battery life, and to first be released in some limited fashion in a country with little impact in sales just so Samsung can claim some Pyrrhic victory.

Of course, if they do have a prototype at CES that on one can touch the asshats on this forum will forever claim that Samsung did it first and that Apple copied them regardless of how much of longer it takes Samsung to bring their device to market. Well, at any rate it does lend another point to the iPad 3 rumour being true.

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Of course, if they do have a prototype at CES that on one can touch the asshats on this forum will forever claim that Samsung did it first and that Apple copied them regardless of how much of longer it takes Samsung to bring their device to market.

Won't make any difference, as long as it's still running Android. No matter who comes out with what, none of them would be releasing any tablets if it weren't for the iPad.
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PS: Looks like Samsung might try to beat Apple to the punchwith a prototype Galaxy Tab with a 2560x1600 display. That's about 4ppi below what the Retina Display

Are you sure of the PPI? Don't forget, this is rumored to be an 11.6 inch device. If it is real, it sounds like it could be really nice.
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Anand predicts a 32nm A9-based design for A6, and I'm inclined to believe him.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/a...-att-verizon/7

I agree with that, but I do wonder if in 6 months Apple might just skip that chip for the next iPhone and go with Cortex-A15 as they will be ready. I think that is the harder option to predict.

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perhaps, but it seems wasteful or inefficient to create an SoC that would only be used for less than a year on a single device...

if apple goes that route, I would expect the ipad 3 to use a higher clocked a5 (its still pretty damn fast), while saving the A-15 based a6 for the iphone... 5? 6?

I can't find any info that seems legit, but my concern is really for power efficiency. If Cortex-A15 can bring that then I think it might be worth the unusual stepping.

It's not like Apple won't be making a lot of the Cortex-A9 A6s. I figure an iPad plus an iPod Touch update coming, perhaps also with a new AppleTV and some other A6-based devices. Even if it's just the new iPad and Touch that would still be 100(?) million Cortex-A9s being used over the course of a year.

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if apple goes that route, I would expect the ipad 3 to use a higher clocked a5 (its still pretty damn fast), while saving the A-15 based a6 for the iphone... 5? 6?

Nah, I can't see that happening. Apple's always used the same CPU's for the iPads and the iPhones, with the iPhone CPU running underclocked versions of the iPad CPU.

Apple is more of an underclocker than an overclocker and a slightly overclocked A5 isn't going to cut it for the iPad 3, not to mention heat problems and other issues, and it wouldn't represent any big increase in performance. The iPad 3 is going to need a more powerful CPU than simply overclocking an A5. That would be beyond lame.
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I'm more worried about the gpu, especially if the retina rumors are to be believed; that thing will be pushing a lot of additional pixels.

Yes, that is true. If there is some sort of super hi-res display, there's going to be a lot more pixels to push around, but the GPU performance from iPad 1 to iPad 2 did increase substantially, so I see no reason why the GPU performance can't increase again from the iPad 2 to the iPad 3.
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Quad-core Cortex-A9-based A6 SoCs or dual-core Cortex-A15-based A6s? I'm going with quad-core Cortex-A9s (and quad-core GPUs).





If they aren't producing until January then we aren't likely getting these until March or April. I'd expect the production to have started in November or December for a February to March launch.


PS: Looks like Samsung might try to beat Apple to the punchwith a prototype Galaxy Tab with a 2560x1600 display. That's about 4ppi below what the Retina Display iPad will have at 264ppi, so basically on par with other in pixel density. However that's an extra million pixels, or about 30% more pixels to push so I wouldn't expect such a device to be on the market until at least 6 months after an iPad with Retina Display, to have poor performance and battery life, and to first be released in some limited fashion in a country with little impact in sales just so Samsung can claim some Pyrrhic victory.

Of course, if they do have a prototype at CES that on one can touch the asshats on this forum will forever claim that Samsung did it first and that Apple copied them regardless of how much of longer it takes Samsung to bring their device to market. Well, at any rate it does lend another point to the iPad 3 rumour being true.

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Yes, that is true. If there is some sort of super hi-res display, there's going to be a lot more pixels to push around, but the GPU performance from iPad 1 to iPad 2 did increase substantially, so I see no reason why the GPU performance can't increase again from the iPad 2 to the iPad 3.

I don't much of anything about GPUs but I read about how this spec bump is 15x more triangles or whatever which I assume increases the frame rates, textures and other graphical elements. I don't know how these improvements relate to adding pixels but I'd think it's a lot more straightforward. We're talking going from 786,432 pixels to 3,145,728 pixels. The iPad already pushes more pixels than the iPhone 4 with Retina Display. Has anything from ImgTech or Nvidia claimed a feasible claim to HiDPI displays with mobile iGPUs with feasible performance?

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All speculation. Still too many unknowns
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what's better than the SGX543 tho?
mali400?
unless I missed some gpu announcements, the SGX543 is pretty much top of the line.

No, sorry, I don't know. I admit to being ignorant when it comes to following the latest news on chip designs on sites like anandtech etc.
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what's better than the SGX543 tho?
mali400?
unless I missed some gpu announcements, the SGX543 is pretty much top of the line.

Apple's gets unreleased chips from Intel and Qualcomm and they don't even own a part of those companies (as far as I know). I would think that Apple's 9.5% ownership of ImgTech would be helpful in getting them some early and tailored components.

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We're talking going from 786,432 pixels to 3,145,728 pixels.

Didn't Apple claim that the iPad 2 had 7 X more graphics power than the iPad 1?

If there was an equal increase in graphics power from iPad 2 to iPad 3, then 7 x 786,432 would be more than 5 million.
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Didn't Apple claim that the iPad 2 had 7 X more graphics power than the iPad 1?

If there was an equal increase in graphics power from iPad 2 to iPad 3, then 7 x 786,432 would be more than 5 million.

That's what I was getting at. What do they mean by graphics power? There are many ways that simple term can be marketed.

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There are many ways that simple term can be marketed.

Yes, that is true. I guess that nobody really knows, but we will all know the answer when the iPad 3 is finally released. If 7 X more power truly means that it can push around 7 x as many pixels, then the retina display shouldn't be any problem at all.

I just saw the quote that you added to your post where it says 9 X more graphics power, so that should make it even easier for them.
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good point, I hadn't consider that. Still pretty crazy to think about; you need a 4x increase in performance to match the ipad2 assuming perfect performance scaling with resolution (its not).

I know the mobile sector is in a state of hyper-moores law at the moment, but I still cannot picture such a huge jump in performance over a single generation.

This is a preemptive reply People will say that Apple did it with the iPhone 4 over the iPhone 3GS. That was going from 153,600 pixels to 614,400 for a release with the A4 chip that was already being used in the iPad pushing even more at 786,432 pixels. That means Apple had already had the the right GPU for the job for the iPad release so it wasn't an issue to push that many pixels 5 months later for the iPhone release.

This is a whole new game. I'm sure the current GPU can push that many pixels, but it's battery life and performance that are the issue. I can see other vendors pushing out these displays without a care about the total user experience, but not Apple. That said, all signs point to Apple finally having this ready to go for next year.

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its marketing speak, I'll take it with a helping of salt.

go by actual benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/a...p2-benchmarked

Even going by those actual benchmarks, the iPad 2 GPU still blows the iPad 1 out of the water.

The first test was over 3 x better than the iPad 1. The second test was almost 5 x more powerful than the iPad 1 and the last test was more than 5 x more powerful than the iPad 1.
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If these guys are trying to impress us with this information they are failing terribly. I mean, come on, March - April Apple will release a new iPad. REALLY.

In other news Analysts have confirmed that water is definitely wet etc etc.

I really hope these guys don't get paid for this information, its now crossed the line into total click bait these days....... dammit.
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I have my doubts on the 'retina' display. Don't get me wrong, I would be elated to see such a display on a tablet, but the fact that its pushing significantly more pixels than a 1080p display, plus the fact that the majority of laptops can't even source decent 720p panels leaves me somewhat doubtful. To put it in perspective, its is as many pixels as the apple 30" cinema display in a 10" handheld device. That's just mindblowing to me.

eitherway, with or without a retina display, I'll be interest to see what apple does with the ipad3 and a6. Google and asus have thrown down the gauntlet with ICS and the transformer prime respectively; lets see how apple responds.

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good point, I hadn't consider that. Still pretty crazy to think about; you need a 4x increase in performance to match the ipad2 assuming perfect performance scaling with resolution (its not).

I know the mobile sector is in a state of hyper-moores law at the moment, but I still cannot picture such a huge jump in performance over a single generation.

Isn't there a difference in that unlike the case on computer monitors, the "retina" approach is to render all screen elements at the same size as the previous non-pixel doubled screen, except crisper? Isn't that what Apple did when it intro'd the iPhone Retina Display? Partly to make developers' lives easier by just multiplying resolution and doing nothing to change perspective and apparent canvas size?

So does that mean the extra work to display all the extra pixels is easier on CPU/GPU resources that when you display more "real estate" in the case of higher resolution on a Mac screen? Maybe I'm saying it wrong, but I think we're talking about a somewhat different display task.....???

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Can't wait...is it April yet?
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Probably a rumor started by Samsung to slow iPad 2 sales during Christams.
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Isn't there a difference in that unlike the case on computer monitors, the "retina" approach is to render all screen elements at the same size as the previous non-pixel doubled screen, except crisper?

That's only when you 2x something, like an old app to make it work.

Otherwise, it'll be just like a computer monitor, only insanely better, because the average computer monitor will be a joke compared to it. I'm sitting on a 1920x1080 27" monitor right now, and that's pretty common. The iPad will blow that away, and at 9.7", it's going to look ridiculous. And also, if it's IPS, like the iPad 1 and iPad 2, then that's also going to be much better than the average person's monitor, as most of those are TN panels.
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These iPad3 rumors are all lining up...

I think we are overdue for some wide-eyed iPad4 rumors!

Might as well re-start the new form factor iPhone rumors, as well. And the Apple TV rumors.

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Anand predicts a 32nm A9-based design for A6, and I'm inclined to believe him.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/a...-att-verizon/7

Anand admits that they don't have any information. They're simply guessing based on history. If the A15 is ready, Apple will probably use it. If not, they'll use A9. It's that simple. And since no one here knows if the A15 will be ready for Apple to use, there's no point discussing it.

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its marketing speak, I'll take it with a helping of salt.

go by actual benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/a...p2-benchmarked

Those benchmarks show a performance gain as high as 7X - which is exactly what Apple said.

Or were you so gullible that you thought that 'up to 7x' means '7x on every single test'?
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post #30 of 47
NEWSFLASH!!!

Apple will update one of their most popular products, thereby ensuring that they sell more of them next year and stay in business.

Who would have thunk it!?!

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Nah, I can't see that happening. Apple's always used the same CPU's for the iPads and the iPhones, with the iPhone CPU running underclocked versions of the iPad CPU.

"Always" is a trick word, considering the sample size is 2. Apple also "always" released its new iPhones in June. But when they needed to change that, they changed it. It's possible Apple will quietly speed-bump the iPad in the Spring (2S?) and then pop out a major update (3) when the cortex A15 chips are ready, if they're really going to be that impressive.
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"Always" is a trick word, considering the sample size is 2. Apple also "always" released its new iPhones in June. But when they needed to change that, they changed it. It's possible Apple will quietly speed-bump the iPad in the Spring (2S?) and then pop out a major update (3) when the cortex A15 chips are ready, if they're really going to be that impressive.

You're correct, the sample size is only 2, so anything is possible, but if it is only a minor speed bump or an "iPad 2S", then I'm probably going to have to stay away from forums for a while when it comes out as the whining and moaning will just be incredible, unlike anything seen before.
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You're correct, the sample size is only 2, so anything is possible, but if it is only a minor speed bump or an "iPad 2S", then I'm probably going to have to stay away from forums for a while when it comes out as the whining and moaning will just be incredible, unlike anything seen before.

Or better yet - if Apple improves all of the internals of the iPad and makes it a demonstrably better product yet leaves the case unchanged, the noise from the whiners will be deafening.
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Or better yet - if Apple improves all of the internals of the iPad and makes it a demonstrably better product yet leaves the case unchanged, the noise from the whiners will be deafening.

Yep. And as usual, the whiners will all be dead wrong, just like they were about the iPhone 4S.
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iPad 3 will be my first iPad. The consequence for me and my purchasing is that I will be less likely to replace my 17-inch MBP this year as scheduled (three years).
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These anal-ysts are confusing Apple starting production early with Apple releasing it early.
Apple either want a LOT of stock or need more time to create the same amount of stock because of the technological boundaries that they are pushing.
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Sources within Apple's supply chain have suggested that the next generation of iPads will arrive on the market in the next 3-4 months....

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... In other news Analysts have confirmed that water is definitely wet etc etc. ...

That's a tautology, but, yeah, not much of a rumor that the iPad 3 will come out right when everyone expects it to, based on past release dates.

But, maybe it won't be released till June, at WWDC, now that the iPhone has moved to Fall releases. Or maybe they'll stick to schedule and WWDC will be used for iOS (and Mac OS X) announcements, which would make more sense than the early spring announcements they were doing.
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Yes, that is true. If there is some sort of super hi-res display, there's going to be a lot more pixels to push around, but the GPU performance from iPad 1 to iPad 2 did increase substantially, so I see no reason why the GPU performance can't increase again from the iPad 2 to the iPad 3.

I don't expect a high res display.

I expect the new iPad to be an iPad 2S with a faster chip and SIRI.
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