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The newest version of the ipod will have a color screen on it and you will be able to download video to it and watch it at any time. There is also talk of downloadable video games for the new ipod
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I am in the minority here I guess, but if a devide like that came out, it would NOT be an "iPod." The device we all know as "iPod" will remain the same as far as it's duty: The best MP3 player you can buy. Anything that can play games, look at video and photos, etc. will be a completely new device IMHO.
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That's a terrible idea. Unless someone has come out with a colour screen that takes less power than a B&W <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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what if it had like a 4" screen instead and looked like an iPod with video out so that you could hook it up to your TV. The extra space in the back could be used for more battery getting the total usage up to like 4-5 hrs again.
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post #6 of 43
Aaaggghhhh!!!! This pipe dream again? Why won't it just die? Color on a device that's supposed to go in your pocket is a dumb idea. How much time do you spend looking at the screen of your ipod? I'd say not more than 30 seconds of the day unless you just bought it and like to look it at. Please make this die. If it comes out, I'll have some serious doubts about Apple's idea factory. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
post #7 of 43
I'd just like to point out that lots of Cell phone companies are completely convinced people would LOVE to have this on their cell phones. So it's not like the vague idea doesn't have industry support.

Also, with Apple's new MPEG4 push, they really are planning on being a part of the internet video world. Part of that is MPEG4/QTSS automatically resizing depending on the display and connection speed of the device connecting to it. (This is confirmed. I have seen it myself. This does not mean it has anything to do with the iPod)
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So what everybody is talking about is and iPaq type device??
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I really trust someone who doesn't even know that "MAC" isn't an acronym...
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Not to mention, that during interviews, Steve has repeatedly bashed these multifunction devices over and over.
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[quote]Originally posted by MacAgent:
<strong>I really trust someone who doesn't even know that "MAC" isn't an acronym... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Media access control.... Try again

Although, I don't think that was the context in which he was using the word.
post #12 of 43
I would just like Apple to get to the place where it can try something like that (meaning a QT player device) without having to have it be "incredibly successful" all of the time.

Apple still feels bad about the cube thing which I don't think was a disaster. It was just an economically unsuccessful product. And whenever Apple does something short of a Time coverstory, the product is so trashed by Windozers and Mac marketing wannabe's. How many Sony computers have come and gone without a whisper as Sony has been getting its Vaio systems to prime time and Sony is doing fine. I think Apple should be close to that now or soon.

I don't know about a color screen iPod that plays Tetris, but it would be nice if Apple wasn't afraid to experiment a bit without the faithful scorning its products.
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post #13 of 43
I just watched a CNN bit about the Microsoft TV Photo Viewer. What a lame piece of crap. Uses floppies that only hold 40 photos and a huge, ugly viewer box to watch slide shows on a TV set. Sells for $160.

Now, lets imagine we have an iPod like device from Apple. It would probably be about 1/10 the size, has cool looks, holds thousands of photos at TV resolution, syncs with iPhoto similar to how iPod syncs with iTunes, holds video clips as well as photos, doubles as an extra storage device for a digital camera in the field, color screen allows it to be a stand alone photo viewer without TV. Those are just a few uses I can come up with off the top of my head.

Granted, it won't sell for $160, but I think it would do just as well as the iPod has at a similar price. I don't have any inside info, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see some device like this from Apple at Macworld Tokyo.
post #14 of 43
A couple more things. According to my rough calculations if a 1.4 MB floppy can hold 40 photos for TV viewing, a 5 GB iPod could hold 142,857 photos. Of course you wouldn't have that much free space just for photos and people would store higher resolutions then needed just to watch on TV. It could also be possible to sync it directly to a printer to bypass the computer completely.

The big question in my mind is wether this would be an iPod with upgraded functions allowing photos and music to share the same space, or would it be a seperate device.
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post #16 of 43
don't forget the racing stripes!
post #17 of 43
Any way to get a beer opener on this thing? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
post #18 of 43
[quote] Color on a device that's supposed to go in your pocket is a dumb idea. <hr></blockquote>

Huh? what a ridiculous statement! Maybe it's an expensive idea, but it's hardly ridiculous. Go out and poll people - if they could afford it I bet 10-1 would buy the color over the b&w. I'd be first in line. It's easier to look at and provides additional means of identifying items on a small screen (color-coding...near to impossible w/o color). Color adds both functionality and ease-of-use.

20 years in the future, if color was dumb in pocket devices period, then we'd never have it. However, if in 20 years, we DON'T have color in pocket devices I'll buy you a beer and admit I'm wrong.

rr.
post #19 of 43
In response to horned_frog, why are people against the idea of the iPod as something more than a mp3 player? It's already more than that when it acts as a firewire hard drive. If it was just meant to be a mp3 player why use 'Pod' in the name?
post #20 of 43
Good point 1seaside1.

a true iPod should also have internet connectivity (or does the "i" really stand for "interim"?) to live up to the name.

pi
post #21 of 43
Apple isn't going to change the form factor of the iPod. That would just be idiotic. Nobody would pay $400-800 for a hugeass 5GB iPod (with a neat-o color screen for, um, colored visuals!), when they could pay $300-something for a 20GB Nomad. The iPod will stay.

There may well be an iPDA that is HD-based, small like the iPod, and with a revolutionary interface (including color touchscreen). But that won't be called an "iPod," it would confused customers and ruin a product line that satisfies something a TON of consumers want, a portable music player.

All this you speak of is probable, Apple could pull off, and would even be way cool, but it's far more than iPod's customer base wants.
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post #22 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by ricRocket:
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Huh? what a ridiculous statement! Maybe it's an expensive idea, but it's hardly ridiculous. Go out and poll people - if they could afford it I bet 10-1 would buy the color over the b&w. I'd be first in line. It's easier to look at and provides additional means of identifying items on a small screen (color-coding...near to impossible w/o color). Color adds both functionality and ease-of-use.

20 years in the future, if color was dumb in pocket devices period, then we'd never have it. However, if in 20 years, we DON'T have color in pocket devices I'll buy you a beer and admit I'm wrong.

rr.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I guess I didn't state myself too clearly. If the function of the device is to be an mp3 player, color would be completely superfluous. You hit a button on it, put it in your pocket and go. You don't need to make the device color to do that and I don't think that it would do anything to enhance the usefulness of the iPod as the screen is incredibly readable right now. Apple didn't skimp. Sure, no bottle opener, but it's good enough.

But, movies in your pocket? What the hell for? How useful would that be? It's just ridiculous to think that a market would be large enough to support it. Even a photo album in your pocket would be stupid. Yeah, I really miss my girlfriend on the busride to work, so I just have to have a catalog of years worth of pictures with me at all times. Be more creative people.
post #23 of 43
It's called an iPOD, not iMusic, not iHardDrive.

Its very name implies that it can serve multiple purposes, and that it WILL.

Yeah, now it's a nice MP3 player and HD. What it might also be in 4 months, who knows. But it will be more, I daresay.

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_edit: corrected it's to its in second sentence.

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post #24 of 43
We will see an iPod with video out. The iPod is a storage and delivery device. (as opposed to an acquasition device eg. camera, that some poor saps still think Apple are going to make). Music and raw data is just two corners of the quadrangle; still photos and video are the others. Apple can compete and dominate the delivery devices; they can never compete with still and video cameras.
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[quote]Originally posted by 1seaside1:
<strong>In response to horned_frog, why are people against the idea of the iPod as something more than a mp3 player? It's already more than that when it acts as a firewire hard drive. If it was just meant to be a mp3 player why use 'Pod' in the name?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, in all honesty, I have never actually seen an iPod in person, but you can imagine what it is like just looking at the specs. I just do NOT see how they are going to get a bigger screen on there and face it...the screen on there now, even if it were color, would be too small to even botehr looking at video...you need AT LEAST say a 2.5" screen like those on camcorders (in terms of their size) to even make it worth while.

And where do you get that I am "against " the iPod being more than an MP3? I am not--it is just that including the features people are talking about adding to it are not practical if you want to keep it the same size. Increasing it by two or thrree millimieters for a bigger HD is one thing, but I just don't see how you and the others think that they are going to be able to get a color LCD and not to mention having to creat a version of quicktime or whatever to view these pictures.

It would be more practical t make a bigger device that can do this as well as play MP3s, and keep the current form-factor iPod for those who only want music.

As for the actual name being "Pod" I never really got where people think that becasue it is "Pod" means it will have more features in the future.
post #26 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by jccbin:
<strong>It's called an iPOD, not iMusic, not iHardDrive.

Its very name implies that it can serve multiple purposes, and that it WILL.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not necessarily:

Pod =&gt; Greek for "Foot" =&gt; Walk =&gt; Walkman

iPod means iWalkman, but with a futuristic ring to it. That may not sound convincing, but I am 100% sure that's where marketing came up with the name, working backwards from something obvious and well-known (but trademarked) like "Walkman"

"Walkman" does not really imply other uses than Music.
post #27 of 43
As a comment to those who say "It's and MP3 player - it doesn't need color", ask yourselves why almost every handphone manufacturer has released or is releasing a full-color version this year?
post #28 of 43
So people can utilise MMS, which is like SMS but you can send colour picures and videos, and it would help to have a colour screen for this. There is also a little thing called WAP.

but, yeah, your right, why would you want a colour screen for that?
post #29 of 43
An iPod with a slightly larger, color screen..... holds high quality images...

No more sneaking your mom's Sears catalogue into the bathroom!

Hooray!
post #30 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>But, movies in your pocket? What the hell for? How useful would that be? It's just ridiculous to think that a market would be large enough to support it. Even a photo album in your pocket would be stupid. Yeah, I really miss my girlfriend on the busride to work, so I just have to have a catalog of years worth of pictures with me at all times. Be more creative people.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not commenting on whether this is a good idea or not but...

Here in Japan they are already putting color LCDs on the cell phones. The result is a display the size of a large postage stamp on a phone the size of a candy bar. It includes a built in camera so people can email each other incredibly tiny movies with glacially slow frame rates. Go figure. I don't know if they are popular but they are advertised a lot.

Regarding the display, a three or four inch display using OLED technology might be low power enough to be practical for this application. Displays of that technology and size are just about coming to market. Personally, I think it is too soon for Apple to use them, but it is technically on the bleeding edge of possibility.
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post #31 of 43
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Some time ago I started this topic, and received alot of bashing...just wanted to refresh it so people can see how far Apple has come in just a few years. Sorry if bumping this topic offends anyone.
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Some time ago I started this topic, and received alot of bashing...just wanted to refresh it so people can see how far Apple has come in just a few years. Sorry if bumping this topic offends anyone.

Wait. You started this thread, posted once more in '02, then waited six years to come back and have the last laugh?

You rule.
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Wait. You started this thread, posted once more in '02, then waited six years to come back and have the last laugh?

You rule.

true, that is pretty bloody funny!
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Some time ago I started this topic, and received alot of bashing...just wanted to refresh it so people can see how far Apple has come in just a few years. Sorry if bumping this topic offends anyone.

Dude.....YOU RULE! To all those closed little minds......HAAAAAAAAAAAA hahahahahaahaahahaahahhaahahahaha!!!!!!! Booyaaaaa What da hell ya gotta say now???? NOTHING!! THATS RIGHT...THOUGHT SO!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahaahaahhahahaah!!!!!!!

This is a fascinating thread now six years later. Now compare these negative comments to the similar ones on today's threads and you can see the great devices people are trying to say will never happen will in fact come soon!

Mactouch/iSlate/iPad is NOT a dream!!
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Wait. You started this thread, posted once more in '02, then waited six years to come back and have the last laugh?

You rule.

I concur. Well-played.
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Dude.....YOU RULE! To all those closed little minds......HAAAAAAAAAAAA hahahahahaahaahahaahahhaahahahaha!!!!!!! Booyaaaaa What da hell ya gotta say now???? NOTHING!! THATS RIGHT...THOUGHT SO!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahaahaahhahahaah!!!!!!!

This is a fascinating thread now six years later. Now compare these negative comments to the similar ones on today's threads and you can see the great devices people are trying to say will never happen will in fact come soon!

Mactouch/iSlate/iPad is NOT a dream!!

While people on this website have a habit of bashing ideas, there are still plenty of rumors from 2002 that haven't panned out. Just because this one got it right - a common sense idea, proposed before SJ claims to have started thinking about it - does not really mean some kind of proof for any single item's reality. We'll see. Olternaut, you might want to look through you old posts so you can get ready for a very late throwdown.
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post #37 of 43
the same people blasting this idea as "who would want something like that" are the same people who say the same things about the macbook air.. oh and they say these things while listening to music from their color screen ipod with movies on them.
post #38 of 43
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Good point 1seaside1.

a true iPod should also have internet connectivity (or does the "i" really stand for "interim"?) to live up to the name.

pi

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While people on this website have a habit of bashing ideas, there are still plenty of rumors from 2002 that haven't panned out. Just because this one got it right - a common sense idea, proposed before SJ claims to have started thinking about it - does not really mean some kind of proof for any single item's reality. We'll see. Olternaut, you might want to look through you old posts so you can get ready for a very late throwdown.

Don't think I haven't. And don't assume I'm going to lose either. Yes, I will wallow in despair as my opponents on this forum laugh maniacally at me and gloat over their victory of Apple not developing another mobile product besides their laptops and iphones/ipod touches.

But, I think I will be the one standing on the backs of a mountain of those naysayers....sword in hand.....triumphant!
And like Conan I will be roaring battlecries of glorious victoryyyy!!!!
MACTOUCH FTW!!!!



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post #40 of 43
I love threads like this, especially in hindsight. Sometimes someone posts an idea that seems to make sense deep down somewhere inside you when you read it. Then come the naysayers and people who simply want to knock you down, give you a million and one reason why it can't, it won't, it shouldn't work.

Well played, sir!
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