Verizon soaking high end Android buyers to make up for iPhone subsidies - Page 2

Originally Posted by hill60

Judging by the language you use and due to the myths you are attempting to perpetuate, I have a question.

How much are you being paid to write that crap?

Originally Posted by Hellacool

The difference though is that Nokia really did not have much compitition when it used this strategy. Android has massive compition and yet still sells phones at crazy prices. They must be doing something right.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

Show me that in 5 years then we can talk. Re-read my statement.

Originally Posted by jbelkin

The Android "High End" market consists of contrarians who a) ignore facts and cling to their beliefs that android is "open." (how's that NFC working out for you?) and b) by supporting Android, they are the "occupiers" of a higher calling ... and of course, only they are smart enough not to fall Apple's iPhone "hype."

Never mind that the iPhone hardware, software, ecosystem and Ui are vastly superior (there has not been one Android review no matter how positive where the words clunky & sluggish UI get tagged with Google's copycat OS).

Or the only proof anyone needs. iPhones are never discounted - even after 20 months until the next one comes along while an Android phone never stays at "full subsidized price" after 3 weeks. Consumers worldwide speak the only truth and cuts through the clutter.

Of course, everyone is entitled to spend their hard earned money on whatever but know that you are payng for the "best" Android phone at a higher price because you are so-anti Apple that you are willing to spend an extra hundred or two just to carry a "different" phone and that's fine, as long as you realize that is the ONLY REASON. That you are purposely paying extra for an inferior phone.

And of course, an un-ugradable phone when the next "bestest" android phone comes out next month or when Google finally realizes in 6 months that they have to give the best new features to Moto to save their $12 BILLION dollar purchase ... but hey, you get to pay for all that ... meanwhile, on the Apple sie, Apple delivers the best technology and forces the telcos to deliver at the best price for consumers.*

*The same company that broke the hold on telcos adding apps or controlling every part of the phone ...

Originally Posted by Steven N.

At the rate this is going:

Apple might have most of all the profit by then. This represents the entire handset market an not just smartphones.

Apple will do very very well as this is nothing similar to the Mac/PC "wars".

Originally Posted by Hellacool

I wish I got paid for pointing out the obvious. If you can dispute what I wrote do so, but the facts are the facts, the iPhone has not fundmentally changed since its debut. Screen size, demensions, nothing.

Apple's massive innovation:

Originally Posted by Steven N.

At the rate this is going:

http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...0.35.47-AM.png

Apple might have most of all the profit by then. This represents the entire handset market an not just smartphones.

Apple will do very very well as this is nothing similar to the Mac/PC "wars".

Originally Posted by Hellacool

I wish I got paid for pointing out the obvious. If you can dispute what I wrote do so, but the facts are the facts, the iPhone has not fundmentally changed since its debut. Screen size, demensions, nothing.

Originally Posted by Steven N.

So to you, the only thing that counts as change is "screen size"?

RAM
Processor
Cores
GPU
ROM
Resolution
Radios
Sensors
Battery life

These represent fundamentally "no change". The simple fact that Android has to re-invent its interface every 6 months is just an embarrassment to poor design to start with.

PS: Whoever made that image is clueless iPhone 2G? What is the iPhone 4G? Dude, that pic is laughable.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

And yet Android still has the market, anmd the gap continues to widen.

Originally Posted by hill60

I want a screen size that is practical in how I use my phone, being able to reach 100% of the screen with a thumb whilst using with one hand.

One man's "boring" is another man's practical and I'm not the only one.

Now you may not think that a jump from a single to dual core processor makes much of a difference coming from an Android background that's understandable as Android does not work terribly well with multithreaded processes (It probably has something to do with the "fake" Java Oracle is complaining about) but iOS flies due to it being more powerful.

Camera 5 megapixels???

wtf are Google and Samsung joking?

Using such a cheap camera module, I wonder f it's the same one used in this sub $200 PAYG Samsung Android phone

Bluetooth 4.0, where is it?

I see Motorola has come to the party with Bluetooth 4.0 on the droid RAZR so Android definitely supports it but where is it on the overpriced Nexus?

Originally Posted by Hellacool

...the iPhone has not fundmentally changed since its debut...

Originally Posted by Sector7G

Yeah it has the market, not because people are buying these high end phones, its all the free cheap and bogo phones plus the junk on prepaid carriers

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

The whole article would confuse the more casual AI reader. With almost daily claims that Android buyers are cheap, only get the free or BOGO Android phones anyway, and buy Android only because they can't afford an iPhone, how could those expensive Android smartphones be covering iPhone subsidies? Very few buy an expensive Android phone anyway with iPhones undercutting them on price, right?

Originally Posted by Sector7G

Yeah it has the market, not because people are buying these high end phones, its all the free cheap and bogo phones plus the junk on prepaid carriers

Originally Posted by Hellacool

Laugh all you want, that pic still represents Apple's massive innovations at a glance.

Originally Posted by Steven N.

So to you, the only thing that counts as change is "screen size"?

RAM
Processor
Cores
GPU
ROM
Resolution
Radios
Sensors
Battery life

These represent fundamentally "no change". The simple fact that Android has to re-invent its interface every 6 months is just an embarrassment to poor design to start with.

PS: Whoever made that image is clueless iPhone 2G? What is the iPhone 4G? Dude, that pic is laughable.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Oh that's going on record. I can't believe someone would actually suggest that moving from a:
*412MHz ARMv6 ARM11 CPU to an 800MHz ARMv7 dual-core Cortex-A9 CPU is not fundamental.
128MB eDRAM to 512MB LPDDR2-800 is not fundamental.
480x320 LCD that is not made as a single unit to a 960x640 that is made as a single unit with better colour gamut and LED backlight is not fundamental.
GSM(GPRS/EDGE) (100Kbps) and WiFi (802.11b/g) (1.5Mbps) to UMTS(HSDPA/HSUPA) (7Mbps) and 802.11(b/g/n) (30Mbps).
4GB NAND to 64GB NAND.

And of course that it just the tip of the iceberg off the top of my head without considering the memory bandwidth improvements , speed of the NAND, the efficiency of the components used, or any of the SW advancements in the device and accompanying ecosystem that set the iPhone as the most profitable and popular by mindshare handset after only a year on the market.

Nope, not a damn thing changed with it fundamentally¡ Except for all those those changes you repeated claimed would be the death of the iPhone that in turn became its greatest strength, like putting the antenna on the outside as the frame.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

I wish I got paid for pointing out the obvious. If you can dispute what I wrote do so, but the facts are the facts, the iPhone has not fundmentally changed since its debut. Screen size, demensions, nothing.

Apple's massive innovation:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

"It looks the same. It's obviously the exact same phone. I as a customer am stupid to make any determination beyond that. On a related note, I'm sure glad that I bought my G5 iMac in August 2004 because Apple didn't even update that until August 2007. Absolutely nothing about the iMac family changed in those three years, so it was great that I bought it when I did. I'm also glad that I bought my G4 PowerBook in January 2003, because Apple didn't update that until October 2008! Can you imagine that? For five years, people were buying the exact same computer! Absolutely nothing at all changed!"

Now think long and hard, troll. Do you really want that to be your argument? Because that's what you've said so far.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

What I see is Android having 44% of the market. That is one fact I see. I also predicted that in 5 YEARS iPhone would be niche, how does your 2011, fact driven chart have anything to do with that statement? Oh it doesnt. Lets see what that chart looks like this time next year??? Because a year ago that chart would have had Android at around 25%, so in 1 year it nearly doubled.

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

See. There's my point! Thank you Sector7.
The article's premise is very obviously bogus. Expensive Android phones couldn't possible be used to subsidise iPhones...

Originally Posted by Hellacool

And all that has no obvious use to the end user

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

He has no concern how a device works or integrates with his life, but how he can show it off to others. He's the kind of the guy that pays way too much for a gaming machine with neon lights and fake flames on the size of his acrylic PC desktop so he can show off some other delusional geeks.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

And all that has no obvious use to the end user, to techno geeks sure but to the average joe that buys these things, no.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

If I only had a facepalm big enough to cover this statement.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

Typical, can not form an honest argument so resort to personal attacks. Thumbs up. I guess since you have no facts to back your argument you will simply make things up and write assumptions??

Originally Posted by Bagman

No dispute on the chart, but I think there was concern about your definition of "niche". I don't think anyone would characterize 28% as a niche, would you? Perhaps you would like to venture a WAG on the actual percentage of iphones in such and such a year?

Even if you do - this is a fool's errand, and accomplishes little, since WAG's are just that, and discouraged unless backed by reasonable data.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

Really, you want to bring the Mac into the argument, with its whopping 9% market share over Windows machines? Really? While the robots were buying the same computer for years, PC manufactures were innovating forcing the Mac out of the market. The Mac was and always will be niche, way to prove my argument.

Oh, I love the personal insults, takes your already weak statement and makes it weaker.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

You are that kind of that guy. You have clearly expressed that you don't consider how a device works to be as important as how it looks to others.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

It doesnt because Apple fixes its prices. Carriers CAN NOT sell the iPhone for anything different then what Apple allows it. Android on the other hand does not make these demands therefore the carriers are free to sell for whatever they can get. And right now they are getting paid. Android must be doing something right if people are willing to pay these obviouly high prices??

Originally Posted by jbelkin

...paying for the "best" Android phone at a higher price because you are so-anti Apple that you are willing to spend an extra hundred or two just to carry a "different" phone and that's fine, as long as you realize that is the ONLY REASON. That you are purposely paying extra for an inferior phone.

Originally Posted by Hellacool

And all that has no obvious use to the end user, to techno geeks sure but to the average joe that buys these things, no.

Originally Posted by pedromartins

yes.. niche, 9 %. never mind the fact that their share in new computers is at least 20 %, especially between "educated" people. never mind the fact that mac sales are exploding and all their competitors (maybe not asus) are stalled or sinking. nevermind that this is the same as porsche outselling toyota or fiat.

what a hypocrite. seriously. stop.

Originally Posted by henniman

Same is my impression. Whenever I see those Android people I feel sorry for them. They pay crazy prices for phones, which lose 50% value within 3-4 months, are not upgraded to latest OS releases at all or many months too late. The UI is terrible, by any means, terrible.

Seeing a UI that ugly -fitting the ugly, uninspired look of their phones, reminds me that 60-70% of people really have no taste. Like with apparel, interior, arts, it's just like that. 60-70% of population are dumb and ugly, uninspired and though iPhones just will never reach market share > 40%. There has to be a phone for the failed people, for the ugly, for the tasteless. It's not bad, it's fine like it is. Because it allows some people to distinguish themselves. Beeing a phone for the masses is like being the TV show for the masses. You don't expect quality and taste there.

Apple should continue to address the people with taste. In most cases those are the people with the deep pockets. The relation between high profits and tasteful design is well clear. The iPhone once was the phone for the BETTER people. Now it certainly is the phone for the BEST people. iPhoners are certainly more intelligent and better looking than Androiders, a fact everyone can see in public. Just look at the people who carries what phone.

Also a fact that you never meet just ONE iPhone evangelist on an Android forum. Meanwhile its standard that Androiders populate iPhone forums and feel they have to spread their religion. Proof that these Androiders deeply feel their inferiority. So they have to compensate by bashing the phone of the successful and tasteful people.

But not our problem. Just keep spending 600$ for the top notch Android phones every 12 months, then selling them for 200$. Everyone needs some hobby.http://forums.appleinsider.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Originally Posted by Hellacool

Ah thats right, only "educated" people buy Apple, everyone else must be stupid. And no, Mac does not have 20% market share, they barely have 6% worldwide market share but keep on guessing. I thought only "educated" people bought Apple?