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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

That looks clunky as crap to me. So instead of a phone with a small screen I can have a watch with an even smaller screen. Ok...?

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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

While Sony has an actual working product, it lacks a high quality retina display and multitouch.
When Apple does it using the best technology it will be far less clunky.

No doubt... Then everyone can talk about how Apple stole the idea.

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The watch just seems to function as a secondary display for the phone and a crappy one at that. It was funny how the guy went through all these contortions to show how if you look at the missed calls on the watch they would appear when you pull out your phone and unlock the screen. Only problem is that it seemed more difficult to use the watch for this than just pulling out the phone and checking notifications. Epic fail IMO.

That's why if Apple made one, it'd be very basic and just do simple tasks- i.e. just reading notifications and using Siri to text. That's it.
The trick is making the average non-dork to wear these. How can this be trendy without being a calculator watch. Are calculator watches more functional and useful than a normal watch? Sure. Are Bluetooth headsets more convenient than holding up a phone? Absolutely. But one you're a nerd, and one you're a douche. Like it or not, that's the stigma, and we have those in our (at least, American) culture. So the main thing is to overcome that. So I say less is more with the nano watch. Enough to make it useful and attractive, but not too much to make you a nerd (see- android)

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post #42 of 73
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That's why I believe Apple should get into auto NAV systems.

What works in one environment does not necessarily work in another. Cars need their own user interfaces that are optimized for safety while operating the vehicle.

The problem with this scenario is that it would force Apple to have to work closely with car manufacturers. Apple does not play well with others. Remember the Motorola ROKR?

If I was Tim Cook...
1) I would have Apple create an amazing in car NAV/Entertainment system.
2) Demo the system to all the heads of the world's major automakers.
3) Offer an exclusive contract with 1 American, 1 European and 1 Asian automaker.
4) Hold an auction for the 3 exclusive contracts.
5) PROFIT!

Personally, I would like to see GM, BMW & Honda with Apple telematics.
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Chances are, most people know that 'stuff' is bad for them - geeks included, but we are so wound up in our lives and dependent on it all, we cannot 'escape'. On a more optimistic front, I think a move towards sustainable 'life friendly' manufacturing will be made possible with 3D printing and what I call 'near organic' manufacturing. The issue will remain however, how to undo the pollution in our system today and the billions whose minds will deteriorate in the mean time. Can we detoxify the brain?

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Originally Posted by lightknight View Post

Great.
So the mercantile society of plastic gave us a huge spike in Alzheimer's disease (plastic degrades over time and frees neurotoxins in the air that kill your little fragile brain).
So Wifi and Bluetooth expose our little fragile brains to electromagnetic waves that increase the rate of migraines.
And Google/Apple's idea of progress is to add even more stuff, closer to us, more connected? I hope not.

On the other hand, I recently observed that several products that were banned in my country for being known toxics (cancer inducing stuff) are still sold on the other side of the border. I wish the guys who knowingly keep selling them because "it has not been proven dangerous in this other country" could be tried for high treason against the people and executed in a very painful fashion.

We have lost many, many geniuses and more normal "bright minds" to cancer and Alzheimer. How long will we keep this going?
post #44 of 73
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Not a big fan of IBM but this commercial seems well ahead of its time.

The dramatized versions of these people are always so much more interesting/dynamic/non-parent's-basement-dwelling. This is what he looks like in real life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge0wb...eature=related

post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

The problem with this scenario is that it would force Apple to have to work closely with car manufacturers. Apple does not play well with others. Remember the Motorola ROKR?

If I was Tim Cook...
1) I would have Apple create an amazing in car NAV/Entertainment system.
2) Demo the system to all the heads of the world's major automakers.
3) Offer an exclusive contract with 1 American, 1 European and 1 Asian automaker.
4) Hold an auction for the 3 exclusive contracts.
5) PROFIT!

Personally, I would like to see GM, BMW & Honda with Apple telematics.

source: yahoo finance, Business Insider.
Ellis Hamburger, On Wednesday October 12, 2011, 10:14 am

During our tour of BMW and MOG's impressive new car integration yesterday, the company let slip that it would love to implement Siri inside its vehicles.


We couldn't get any more specifics about whether Siri voice controls were already in development, but the company expressed a great interest in making it happen.


Apple and BMW have a long history of working together, starting with the first ever iPod car integration which dates back to 2004.


When and if Apple makes Siri's API or functionality available to third parties, we'd expect BMW to be first in line.


BMW also expressed interest in adding food-search apps to its BMW Apps repertoire such as Yelp and Foodspotting. The company couldn't confirm anything for us, but we'd expect these apps to get integrated sooner than Siri.
post #46 of 73
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That's why if Apple made one, it'd be very basic and just do simple tasks- i.e. just reading notifications and using Siri to text. That's it.
The trick is making the average non-dork to wear these. How can this be trendy without being a calculator watch. Are calculator watches more functional and useful than a normal watch? Sure. Are Bluetooth headsets more convenient than holding up a phone? Absolutely. But one you're a nerd, and one you're a douche. Like it or not, that's the stigma, and we have those in our (at least, American) culture. So the main thing is to overcome that. So I say less is more with the nano watch. Enough to make it useful and attractive, but not too much to make you a nerd (see- android)

I think there are some other things that are tricky about Apple getting into the watch business.
Apple makes "disposable" consumer electronics that are designed to last only 2-4 years.
Good watches should last a lifetime(a decade at a minimum).

Apple would need to make a product that is water and shock proof.
Replaceable battery?
Price?

Could Apple partner with TAG Heuer, Breitling or Rolex and use their expertise and brand to create a product that could live up to the expectations?

Or will the iWatch be another piece of "disposable" consumer electronics?
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

....I can see the value of the wrist-watch type add-on computer discussed in some of these posts but even then all you are doing is moving it from your pocket to your wrist. One could just as easily take the phone out of one's pocket and talk directly to it.

....

Autumn 2012 : Apple reinvents the watch: iWatch (human skin surface currents being used to transmit information to earphones. At that time, rumors already circulated that Apple was secretly working on a way to convey the audio information directly to the brain. Other rumors from sources (which insisted to remain unidentified) also speculated that Apple was working on the most secret project of its history (code name « Wozniak »), aiming at implementing a neuronal version of the iOS into the human brain (the only minor remaining technical difficulty being to implement into it a 5.1 encoded audio information).
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

What sucks is eventually we won't be able to buy a pair of underwear without signing a 2 year agreement with Verizon.

Just wait until Facebook diversify and get into the underwear business. (3 years after they become a wireless carrier)
post #49 of 73
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Just wait until Facebook diversify and get into the underwear business. (3 years after they become a wireless carrier)

"You've got [male genitalia]!" Wait, that's AOL. In 3 years FB will probably have bought them for the heck of it.

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post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by lightknight View Post

Great.
So the mercantile society of plastic gave us a huge spike in Alzheimer's disease (plastic degrades over time and frees neurotoxins in the air that kill your little fragile brain).
So Wifi and Bluetooth expose our little fragile brains to electromagnetic waves that increase the rate of migraines.
And Google/Apple's idea of progress is to add even more stuff, closer to us, more connected? I hope not.

On the other hand, I recently observed that several products that were banned in my country for being known toxics (cancer inducing stuff) are still sold on the other side of the border. I wish the guys who knowingly keep selling them because "it has not been proven dangerous in this other country" could be tried for high treason against the people and executed in a very painful fashion.

We have lost many, many geniuses and more normal "bright minds" to cancer and Alzheimer. How long will we keep this going?

Too funny

give us more

Pleeeeeeease!

post #51 of 73
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

I think there are some other things that are tricky about Apple getting into the watch business.
Apple makes "disposable" consumer electronics that are designed to last only 2-4 years.
Good watches should last a lifetime(a decade at a minimum).

Apple would need to make a product that is water and shock proof.
Replaceable battery?
Price?

Could Apple partner with TAG Heuer, Breitling or Rolex and use their expertise and brand to create a product that could live up to the expectations?

Or will the iWatch be another piece of "disposable" consumer electronics?

Don't make them disposable! Make them collectable!!

Make them fashionable. If Apple puts enough resources behind this, it's going to rock!
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Or not?
post #53 of 73
Did anyone ever think about the fact that these might be the remotes for the iTv?
post #54 of 73
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Did anyone ever think about the fact that these might be the remotes for the iTv?

For the record, I have no interest in a voice activated TV.
post #55 of 73
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Did anyone ever think about the fact that these might be the remotes for the iTv?

Did anyone ever think about the FACT that these might be the iTv?
post #56 of 73
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Did anyone ever think about the FACT that these might be the iTv?

I'm not talking to my TV. I'll talk to my house, absolutely, but not just my TV.

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post #57 of 73
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

The problem with this scenario is that it would force Apple to have to work closely with car manufacturers. Apple does not play well with others. Remember the Motorola ROKR?

If I was Tim Cook...
1) I would have Apple create an amazing in car NAV/Entertainment system.
2) Demo the system to all the heads of the world's major automakers.
3) Offer an exclusive contract with 1 American, 1 European and 1 Asian automaker.
4) Hold an auction for the 3 exclusive contracts.
5) PROFIT!

Personally, I would like to see GM, BMW & Honda with Apple telematics.

In another thread, someone proclaimed that this 7" touch screen apple was ordering up recently was a private deal to create an Apple UI in Volkswagen Car radios. Now he didn't sight a source to this info. But I know VW and Apple have been in talks for many years to work on something like this. Not to mention that my VW Golf's touchscreen radio projects the exact organizaitonal structure when I plug-in my ipod to it. No messing with the menus, it's all mirrored from your iPod.

So I would not be at all surprised to see apple supplying Nav/Audio/Wireless equipment in future VW's.

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Originally Posted by HyteProsector View Post

The 7" screen is for an infotainment system Apple is working on with the Volkswagen group. It will most likely debut in the 2013 Audi A3. Siri voice control, Apple's new maps. etc etc etc

http://www.apple.com/ipod/car-integration/#vw

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9768521-7.html

http://www.intomobile.com/2007/09/02...diphone-docks/
post #58 of 73
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In another thread, someone proclaimed that this 7" touch screen apple was ordering up recently was a private deal to create an Apple UI in Volkswagen Car radios. Now he didn't sight a source to this info. But I know VW and Apple have been in talks for many years to work on something like this. Not to mention that my VW Golf's touchscreen radio projects the exact organizaitonal structure when I plug-in my ipod to it. No messing with the menus, it's all mirrored from your iPod.

So I would not be at all surprised to see apple supplying Nav/Audio/Wireless equipment in future VW's.


http://www.apple.com/ipod/car-integration/#vw

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9768521-7.html

http://www.intomobile.com/2007/09/02...diphone-docks/

Porsche owns 1/3 of Volkswagen and Volkswagen owns:
-Audi
-Bentley
-Bugatti
-Lamborghini
-SEAT
-Skoda
-Volkswagen

That would be a quick way to get Apple's kit in many premium brands.
By having it launch initially in high end cars such as Lamborghini and Bentley, it will create desirability and the association with luxury.
post #59 of 73
This is precisely the sort of thing we need to know. Do people want computers that can be fitted nasally?
post #60 of 73
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Porsche owns 1/3 of Volkswagen...

Wikipedia states it's over 50% as of 2009.

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This is precisely the sort of thing we need to know. Do people want computers that can be fitted nasally?

That's coming.

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post #61 of 73
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post #62 of 73
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This is precisely the sort of thing we need to know. Do people want computers that can be fitted nasally?

Oh, gosh, what's this FROM. Right on the tip of my tongue Hitchhiker's Guide?

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post #63 of 73
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Well I got to disagree. To me the "killer" feature is that computers are becoming less obtrusive and are becoming 'invisible' to the user. That's the next "killer" feature IMO. Apple are pretty much the leader in this trend already. I look for that to continue.

I agree. I think that the real advances will come once access to information stores is device-agnostic.

This business of having to use a certain brand name of device or OS in order to access proprietary repositories of information is nothing less than scary. I see a future where you will have lots of cheap devices that all access the same stuff. You won't need your expensive Apple brand device, for example, to access content on "iCloud" brand info repository, but instead, you will use any device you happen to have to access any info that is available.

That was the promise of the WWW.

Things are now headed down an alternate path - the path towards brand-based lock-in.
post #64 of 73
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I'm sure for every 20 mockups and experiments they "work on" only 1 maybe "produced".



That is entirely consistent with statements that Steve made. He said that knowing when to say "no" to a product was an important skill.

My guess is the same as yours: That Apple works on wide-ranging devices and concepts, and back-burners or kills the vast majority of them. I see many wacky patents by Apple reported here, and I see very few new concepts incorporated into Apple products. Only rarely is Apple the first to add a wholly new hardware technology to its products. Much more often, Apple uses older tech which has been refined over the years. IOW, while new tech is in the wild and wooly stages, Apple says "no, not yet".
post #65 of 73
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I don't see any real applications of this kind of technology yet.

Apple and Nike see a current application of wearable computers.

This stuff has been around and is advancing. It might be argued that a pocket computer, like the Newton (not really) or the Palm Pilot (and now the smartphone) was a first step towards the goal of ubiquitous on-person computing.

What is your analysis of people who strap their iPhone onto their upper arm when they go out for a run? Do you not see that wearable computers are already here, and are slowly advancing?
post #66 of 73
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Personally, I would like to see GM, BMW & Honda with Apple telematics.

It will never happen. Especially when considering a luxury brand.

That is because the nav updates would need to last forever. Can you imagine buying a classic Bimmer, perfectly preserved in every way, with one glaring exception: The Apple brand nav system doesn't work because Apple no longer supports it?

Nope. Car parts need to last forever. Apple makes things that are obsolete within a few years. These are two different worlds.
post #67 of 73
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If I was Tim Cook..
1) I would have Apple create an amazing in car NAV/Entertainment system.
2) Demo the system to all the heads of the world's major automakers.
3) Offer an exclusive contract with 1 American, 1 European and 1 Asian automaker.
4) Hold an auction for the 3 exclusive contracts.
5) PROFIT!

Yes! I totally agree.

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Personally, I would like to see Ford, Audi & Honda with Apple telematics.

There FTFY.
post #68 of 73
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Could Apple partner with TAG Heuer, Breitling or Rolex and use their expertise and brand to create a product that could live up to the expectations?

Or will the iWatch be another piece of "disposable" consumer electronics?

I think it is inevitable that Apple will further expand its brand. However, I don't think that any licensing deals are on the near-term horizon.
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Yes! I totally agree.



There FTFY.

No doubt. Ford, not GM.

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This is precisely the sort of thing we need to know. Do people want computers that can be fitted nasally?

Beats a suppository any day! That would give new meaning to the Italian word - innuendo.

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Beats a suppository any day! That would give new meaning to the Italian word - innuendo.

Innuendo is an Italian aria from the Barber of Seville.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOov6..._order&list=UL (with english lyrics)
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When I first read about Siri, I had two immediate reactions:

1. "Wow. They've made huge progress in natural-language processing. It's been a hot topic in AI for decades."

2. "Siri would be perfect for controlling small- or no-screen devices. Like iPod shuffle or nano..."

It will be interesting to see how Apple expands Siri on iOS (and OS X) and to see how they
use it on future devices. If Apple does actually release a TV set, Siri will be in it.

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