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post #41 of 53
12/20/11 at 7:57am
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Either laziness or a ban on said apps.

Totally agree about the laziness aspect, but there's no way to ban an app on android. You can install apps from anywhere.
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post #42 of 53
12/20/11 at 8:04am
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Totally agree about the laziness aspect, but there's no way to ban an app on android. You can install apps from anywhere.

And Apple would seek out whoever's doing it and do the same to them as they've done to HTC. Eventually they'll get a clue or they'll be sued.
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post #43 of 53
12/20/11 at 8:32am
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And Apple would seek out whoever's doing it and do the same to them as they've done to HTC. Eventually they'll get a clue or they'll be sued.

I don't think Apple would sue some small time hacker or developer for releasing a feature like this on android for a few simple reasons.

What would they get out of it.....his lunch money?

Apple suing a developer, talk about bad publicity and a good way to upset other developers.
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post #44 of 53
12/20/11 at 8:33am
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Tim Berners Lee, the inventor of the WWW has said he was inspired by Hypercard's capabilities and he figured out how to hyperlink documents between servers, another clearly independent advance. And he did so programming on a NeXT box, using Apple provided APIs and capabilities. Notice Apple never rained on the parade of an obviously independent discovery even though it indirectly depended on Apple tech (I say Apple because Apple bought NeXT very shortly after Berners Lee finished his initial work and NeXT OS became OS X).

Apple (aside from Steve and other former Apple employees) was not involved with NeXT in any way when Berners-Lee successfully developed a working version of HTTP on NeXT hardware. This happened well before Apple bought NeXT in 1997.

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A NeXT Computer was used by Berners-Lee as the world's first web server and also to write the first web browser, WorldWideWeb, in 1990. By Christmas 1990, Berners-Lee had built all the tools necessary for a working Web:[9] the first web browser (which was a web editor as well); the first web server; and the first web pages,[10] which described the project itself. On August 6, 1991, he posted a short summary of the World Wide Web project on the alt.hypertext newsgroup.[11] This date also marked the debut of the Web as a publicly available service on the Internet. The first photo on the web was uploaded by Berners-Lee in 1992, an image of the CERN house band Les Horribles Cernettes.

What's is interesting is just how deeply Steve has impacted the world, not just in consumer devices, but in areas like bringing the WWW to the public. Would Berners-Lee had been [as] successful/inspired if HyperCard and the NeXT hardware not been available?
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post #45 of 53
12/20/11 at 8:38am
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Apple suing a developer, talk about bad publicity and a good way to upset other developers.

They'd be suing Android developers.
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post #46 of 53
12/20/11 at 8:54am
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They'd be suing Android developers.

Android developer or not, a lot of developers from all platforms, including IOS, would be receiving a negative vibe.
IMO, if Apple went this route, it would lower my feelings of Apple to the same level as Sony.
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post #47 of 53
12/20/11 at 9:22am
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Apple (aside from Steve and other former Apple employees) was not involved with NeXT in any way when Berners-Lee successfully developed a working version of HTTP on NeXT hardware. This happened well before Apple bought NeXT in 1997.

That's true. But Once Apple paid it's money, it became Apple's IP, so the correct reference to it from that point forward is "Apple's". Doesn't matter that it was developed outside and brought in, the distinction is only of historical interest (which I fully indicated it as NeXT derived already so you aren't bringing anything new to the subject), not legal.

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What's is interesting is just how deeply Steve has impacted the world, not just in consumer devices, but in areas like bringing the WWW to the public. Would Berners-Lee had been [as] successful/inspired if HyperCard and the NeXT hardware not been available?

Probably not. None of the tools/ideas he used and adapted existed anywhere else. Eventually something like the internet would have been invented, but probably later and much more Microsoft derived.
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post #48 of 53
12/20/11 at 9:25am
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Android developer or not, a lot of developers from all platforms, including IOS, would be receiving a negative vibe.
IMO, if Apple went this route, it would lower my feelings of Apple to the same level as Sony.

Apple already uses C&D letters and revokes dev status even with Apple 3rd party devs if it suits their purposes because Apple thinks the dev broke a rule or agreement. Why on earth would they shy away from sending one to an Android dev for using Apple IP?
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post #49 of 53
12/20/11 at 4:54pm
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Apple already uses C&D letters and revokes dev status even with Apple 3rd party devs if it suits their purposes because Apple thinks the dev broke a rule or agreement. Why on earth would they shy away from sending one to an Android dev for using Apple IP?

Apple can send C&Ds and revokes to IOS devs because there is an agreement in place.
Sending a C&D to an android dev will just end up in the garbage and I don't think to many android devs would care if Apple wouldn't recognize them as an IOS dev, because they're probably not one anyhow.
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post #50 of 53
12/20/11 at 5:12pm
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Android developer or not, a lot of developers from all platforms, including IOS, would be receiving a negative vibe.
IMO, if Apple went this route, it would lower my feelings of Apple to the same level as Sony.

Apple never opened the Pandora's box of root kits like Sony did, nothing Apple have done stoops so low.

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post #51 of 53
12/21/11 at 4:57am
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Apple can send C&Ds and revokes to IOS devs because there is an agreement in place.
Sending a C&D to an android dev will just end up in the garbage and I don't think to many android devs would care if Apple wouldn't recognize them as an IOS dev, because they're probably not one anyhow.

So are you somehow suggesting that a patent infringement injunction against an Android 3rd party developer wouldn't hold up simply because the 3rd party developer doesn't have an existing relationship with Apple?

You've got it backwards -- the only way a 3rd party can possibly have permission to use any Apple-patented technology would be because they had previously entered into such a relationship -- either directly with Apple, or else with a patent licensing pool to which Apple contributes. The absence of such a relationship would automatically prohibit them from using Apple-patented technology.
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post #52 of 53
12/22/11 at 7:35am
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So are you somehow suggesting that a patent infringement injunction against an Android 3rd party developer wouldn't hold up simply because the 3rd party developer doesn't have an existing relationship with Apple.

No, that's not what I'm trying to say.
It would hold up in a court, but it wouldn't do much if any good.
All a dev or hacker has to do is write or modify the app and upload it to the internet on a few forums or maybe some offshore servers where Apple has no jurisdiction. Once it's on the net, there's no way of getting it back.
By the time Apple got a hold of it and sent a C&D, the dev has probably already stopped distributing the app himself anyhow. That's why I say most will just throw it in the garbage because they probably already complied to Apple's C&D before the app was even examined and a C&D sent.

Also, what happens if the IP infringer does it anonymously or is located in a country where IPs aren't recognized?
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post #53 of 53
12/22/11 at 11:34am
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No, that's not what I'm trying to say.
It would hold up in a court, but it wouldn't do much if any good.
All a dev or hacker has to do is write or modify the app and upload it to the internet on a few forums or maybe some offshore servers where Apple has no jurisdiction. Once it's on the net, there's no way of getting it back.
By the time Apple got a hold of it and sent a C&D, the dev has probably already stopped distributing the app himself anyhow. That's why I say most will just throw it in the garbage because they probably already complied to Apple's C&D before the app was even examined and a C&D sent.

Also, what happens if the IP infringer does it anonymously or is located in a country where IPs aren't recognized?

So you are essentially describing intentional abandon-ware? As a way to get around IP laws? That doesn't work so well because the dev is still responsible for infringement. Remember the Psystar case where the infringing company only sold a few hundred units ever? Apple will grind down an asshat out of general principle.

In response to the other side of your post, if the dev changes their implementation to non-infringing Apple would be happy as well. That would make a C&D latter fully complied with.

The worst thing a dev could do would be to toss the letter, they get no protection by doing that, and actually put themselves in a deeper hole as then an infringements from that point forward have the potential to be considered willful, tripling damages. Triple of almost nothing is still nothing, but the effect is far larger then the necessary check.
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