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post #41 of 97
12/20/11 at 6:37am
Easy to take market share with low ball phone pricing that Android's distributors take part in. Many don't care what it is, as long as they have a phone. For those where quality does matter, there is no substitute for the iPhone or iOS.

Although Android has lots of marketshare, the dilution of their core platform will be its downfall when developers only produce for one segment, and not all. I'd be pissed as a consumer once I realized that my platform is the odd ball.
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post #42 of 97
12/20/11 at 6:48am
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It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.

Well all those stats must be wrong then.
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post #43 of 97
12/20/11 at 6:51am
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It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.

Probably because a ton of the androids are in bedrooms of little kids playing games. I suspect many parents buy kids a phone for safety reasons and an iPhone is obviously way too expensive. If Apple brought out a wrist watch iPhone Nano with a cheap buddy plan they would clean up in that market.
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post #44 of 97
12/20/11 at 7:18am
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It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.

You're simply hanging out with a more sophisticated group of consumers.
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post #45 of 97
12/20/11 at 7:21am
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According to third quarter figures released by the IDC on Monday (via The Next Web), Android now makes up 49 percent of smartphones in the country, compared to Apple's 36 percent share.

Android has also passed up the iPhone in New Zealand. Samsung took 28.5 percent of the smartphone market, Chinese handset maker Huawei came in second place with 20 percent. Apple had 13 percent of the country's smartphone market as customers held off on purchases in anticipation of the iPhone 4S.

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In Australia, Android has 49% and Apple['s iOS for iPhone] has 36% of the smartphone OS market segment. There is no statement that Samsung has overtaken Apple in Australia except in the title. It's in NZ that Samsung and Huawei are ahead of Apple in unit market share.

My thoughts exactly, there was no mentioning of how much of that 49% was made up of Samsung, HTC and other Android manufacturers would have to be less than 13% so Samsung can top Apple. If we were to assume consumer preferences in New Zealand is similar to Australia where Samsung owns approximately 1/3 of the non-Apple market, the logical estimate is that Samsung owns 1/3 of the 49%.
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post #46 of 97
12/20/11 at 7:30am
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I'm in Sydney and noticing the same thing: about 5-6 iPhones for roughly each Android phone.

I'm a little curious. If Android have just under half the market, then where the hell are they all?

Are you sure they were iPhones or were they the Samsung clones?

It's no surprise Android has a larger shipment share considering there are a lot more vendors and phone models.

iOS is strong if you include (and you should) ALL iOS devices. Most apps on iOS doesn't care if it's an ipod touch, iphone, or ipad. That's what developers should look at.

Apple sells you an ecosystem. Samsung, HTC, etc., sell you a phone. Google sells you. Apple would love for you to buy a new phone every year but they rather get you to stay in the ecosystem and buy a new phone when you're ready. Samsung, HTC, etc. want you to buy a new phone every two years or sooner. That's why they don't upgrade to the latest OS and desupport you.
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post #47 of 97
12/20/11 at 7:32am
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Chinese handset maker Huawei came in second place with 20 percent. Apple had 13 percent

I've heard that Huawei is planning a big push in the US market.

Watch out Apple!
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post #48 of 97
12/20/11 at 7:44am
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There's also 24 different samsung android phones compared to the 3 apple offers...

Are you saying that Apple is making a huge strategic mistake by only offering a narrow product range?

Or what?
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post #49 of 97
12/20/11 at 8:10am
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If you go to:

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cel...s/all-products

Samsung has like 142 phone SKU's.

Apple has like a total of 70 hardware SKU's and that includes SKU's where the only difference is carrier (ipads) , colors (iPods) or memory (iPhones, iPads, and iPods) in many cases.

Unreal.

Do you feel that Apple's strategy could use some rethinking?
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post #50 of 97
12/20/11 at 8:22am
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I have wondered this myself. You would think by how some people act on the forums that anything negative toward Apple is a direct attack on them.

It is a direct attck upon them. They have bound up large parts of their identity with the fate of, or, at least, the opinion of a multinational corporation.

Apple's marketing encourages this self-identification. "I'm a Mac". The old iPod ads with the dancing silhouettes - "Hey - that could be me if I buy an iPod"! Apple owners are men of wealth and taste.
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post #51 of 97
12/20/11 at 8:25am
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Profits beats units shipped.





You, sir, are a credit to Apple fans everywhere.
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post #52 of 97
12/20/11 at 9:06am
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Easy to take market share with low ball phone pricing that Android's distributors take part in. Many don't care what it is, as long as they have a phone. For those where quality does matter, there is no substitute for the iPhone or iOS.


If that is true, how do you explain the Samsung Galaxy SII outselling the iPhone in some markets?

Seems to me that Apple too offers cheap and free phones.

I think your argument has been overtaken by facts. It may or may not have once been true, but it ain't true no more.
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post #53 of 97
12/20/11 at 9:20am
Well, its just like Windows vs Mac again. In the end, Android will pretty much own the market worldwide. It doesn't mean Apple will be out of business, but they will have to concede the market to Google and their partners. Hopefully the 1% share that Steve Jobs was hoping for will be enough to sustain Apple iOS & hardware for the future.
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post #54 of 97
12/20/11 at 9:48am
QUOTE=stelligent;2011513]Apple makes more profit. Samsung makes 2000 different phones. Samsung copies. It's only New Zealand. It's only Australia. They are counting shipments and not sales. Any more defensive responses?
What's the big deal if iPhone is not the top selling device anymore? Your intelligence does not increase (even if you think it sounds like it does) and you do not get an Apple discount by defending Apple on every front. Apple does not need you standing up for it. Enjoy your device(s), whether it is #1, 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]

This is a poorly thought-out response and was exactly the complacency I referred to above. It doesn't matter that it's just aust and nz. These countries are battle grounds because companies fine tune strategy for the big leagues in the US and Europe. Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US. I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released. And Sony shut it down. I am concerned that you are seeing the first evidence of tide turning. Failure to appreciate this by apple will see iOS marginalized within the year. As happened to Sony. It would be a typically American mistake not to learn from their past errors
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post #55 of 97
12/20/11 at 9:58am
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I think it is fair to say that the overall customer satisfaction and loyalty of iPhone users are higher. But there are many people who enjoy their Android phones just fine, and have bought multiple generations of Android phones. I personally enjoy both. So, if nothing else, you now know one. But in reality, I am 100% sure you have met many happy Android users. Just open your eyes and mind.

Nothing to do with not being open minded. In my experience (reasonable) - I am yet to meet one person who would not prefer an iPhone after a months use of either.
If android is allowed to copy slavishly and make cheap Asian clones - apple as a microcosm of the US.will share its economic fate - undermined by cheap labour and cheap clones. And when apple eventually gets beaten....android prices I'll go up all over again...like Microsoft.
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post #56 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:01am
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You're simply hanging out with a more sophisticated group of consumers.

When I have to take care of business in a "not so great" part of town, the majority of phones I see are not iPhones..
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post #57 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:04am
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I'm sure Australia is the most cutting edge continent in the world- but hasn't android surpassed iOS on phones in America well earlier this year (or even October of 2010 if memory serves)? If so, umm, doesn't that make America the trendsetter (like always)?

Where it concerns declaring war, wasting billions on pointless conflicts and selling out every single industry you had to China - sure - lead on.

In the meantime - if you had read my post - I didnt make any claim of Australian superiority. I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a test-bed for new tech. Why is it always about size for you guys? READ man.
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post #58 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:04am
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I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released.


The Clie was easily the best PalmOS hardware. But Sony missed the boat by waiting too long. By the time the REALLY cool Clies were released, the Palm thing was winding down.

It goes to show that the best hardware has no certainty of being successful. Timing plays a part. These days, we are to believe that ecosystem is a major factor. Customer perception also, IMO, plays a big part.

Sony lost the throne in TV sets. Portable music players. Home video tape decks. PDAs. High-end portable digital recording equipment.

Sony sucks. They used to be on top, but not anymore. Likely there are lessons to be learned by other portable device makers.
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post #59 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:07am
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Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US

Sitting in boxes on crates in retail storerooms is not gaining ground? And what ground is being gained that hurts companies like Apple? So far Apple has done nothing but remain at the top of every category they compete in.

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post #60 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:10am
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I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a tested for new tech.

You keep saying that, but I see no evidence of new tech that is being given to AU and NZ that is different from the smartphone tech in other countries. Is Android OS more advanced there? Nope. How about the iPhone? Nope. So what Samsung smartphone only has tech for AU and NZ markets that isn't elsewhere in the world?

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post #61 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:11am
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Before the Apple patrol set out to smash you, I enjoyed the read and it makes sense. I did not break out my Google to verify anything though.

Thanks. What's crazy about the subsequent attacks is that in my house are - 2 iPads, 1 iMacs, 1 Mac pro and a MacBook air. I bought the coolaid. I love my apple gear. I just don't want to end up with the bestest Sony CLIES that are no longer supported...a la my first mac pro which was a G5 and which apple stopped supporting after apple care ran out after I bought it. They have form. I just want them to see the danger. And react. Rather than talk about sales versus volume and all that rubbish.
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post #62 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:16am
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Thanks. What's crazy about the subsequent attacks is that in my house are - 2 iPads, 1 iMacs, 1 Mac pro and a MacBook air. I bought the coolaid. I love my apple gear. I just don't want to end up with the bestest Sony CLIES that are no longer supported...a la my first mac pro which was a G5 and which apple stopped supporting after apple care ran out after I bought it. They have form. I just want them to see the danger. And react. Rather than talk about sales versus volume and all that rubbish.

1) It's hard to take anyone seriously with comments like "I bought the coolaid."

2) Sales v. volume (I assume you mean shipped) isn't rubbish. It's questions the very nature of consumer interest. Over producing product and stuffing channels with "volume" you can't sell only costs a company money.

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post #63 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:18am
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You keep saying that, but I see no evidence of new tech that is being given to AU and NZ that is different from the smartphone tech in other countries. Is Android OS more advanced there? Nope. How about the iPhone? Nope. So what Samsung smartphone only has tech for AU and NZ markets that isn't elsewhere in the world?

The 4G LTE networks you have rolling out in the US were tested in Perth, Australia before being deployed. The 3.5G network that they will replace has been here for close to ten years with Telstra. Vodafail, Optus and 3 are still using 2.5E and 3G gen 1 networks. Optus has some 3.5 coverge with the 900MHZ band. 3.5 is yet to arrive in much of the US. 4G is only available in selected areas with one US network I think.

Relax mate - I'm not attacking the land of the Free - I think the US is wonderful. But they have to test tech - and it's cost/benefit somewhere. So they do it here - as we have similar populations, and land mass etc. Wasn't referring to the handsets necessarily - although your Verizon network uses analogue cell towers that were replaced (phased out) here over 10 years ago. Don't get defensive. I am an apple geek probably more than you are - but where I see a major problem looming - you seem to see nothing.
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post #64 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:19am
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1) It's hard to take anyone seriously with comments like "I bought the coolaid."

2) Sales v. volume (I assume you mean shipped) isn't rubbish. It's questions the very nature of consumer interest. Over producing product and stuffing channels with "volume" you can't sell only costs a company money.

Whether you take me seriously or not is irrelevant. The problem remains. Attack the ball - not the man mate. It just makes you look - well - small.
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post #65 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:20am
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1) It's hard to take anyone seriously with comments like "I bought the coolaid."

2) Sales v. volume (I assume you mean shipped) isn't rubbish. It's questions the very nature of consumer interest. Over producing product and stuffing channels with "volume" you can't sell only costs a company money.

It is rubbish. It is an atefactual number - a snapshot in time. It makes no effort to analyze trend - and more importantly - projection.
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post #66 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:30am
We disagree. Optus and Vodafone are targeted at the cheap and cheerful phone users who have not got the same reliance on coverage/data speeds. 3 resells much of Vodafone airspace although I think it has it's own towers too. Not sure. Never used them.
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post #67 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:39am
Totally disagree. Telstra are the only viable network - for businesses. The other networks are useless outside of syd/melb/canberra. Telstra have only recently tried to capitalize on vodafail by having cheaper plans to mop up some of the povs. Terrible perhaps. True nonetheless. Just ask their marketing guys who they target. And Asher Moses? First time I've heard him accused of being anything other than an apple fanboi. He is a plaguirist - most of his "stories" come from copy pastes from yesterday's mashable or Engadget...but that's another story. Tech journalism. Perhaps that's what you meant by behind in some areas.

I'd put money on Apple's profit margins being way above those of other vendors in Australia, as per the US and the rest of the world. Profits beats units shipped.

Sure - but as an end game - flooding the market for a period of two or three years or so - may be sustainable - just to drive iOS into submission? That's my question. It's what happened to Sony when with the CLIE - windows mobile was released in lots of crap handsets - flooding the market - and beating out a better piece of hardware and software. You're missing the point I think.
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post #68 of 97
12/20/11 at 10:54am
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Are you sure they were iPhones or were they the Samsung clones?

It's no surprise Android has a larger shipment share considering there are a lot more vendors and phone models.

iOS is strong if you include (and you should) ALL iOS devices. Most apps on iOS doesn't care if it's an ipod touch, iphone, or ipad. That's what developers should look at.

Apple sells you an ecosystem. Samsung, HTC, etc., sell you a phone. Google sells you. Apple would love for you to buy a new phone every year but they rather get you to stay in the ecosystem and buy a new phone when you're ready. Samsung, HTC, etc. want you to buy a new phone every two years or sooner. That's why they don't upgrade to the latest OS and desupport you.

Your reply has so little to do with my original point, that it has educated me immensely on how some people just can't follow a course of logic.

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post #69 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:13am
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Well, its just like Windows vs Mac again. In the end, Android will pretty much own the market worldwide. It doesn't mean Apple will be out of business, but they will have to concede the market to Google and their partners. Hopefully the 1% share that Steve Jobs was hoping for will be enough to sustain Apple iOS & hardware for the future.

There you go again with Android "owning" the market.

Didn't you get slammed yesterday by saying that very same thing?

Anyway... what does Google have other than the ability to say "our OS is on more phones" ?

Which is more important... OS market share or a company's profit?

Hint: you can't pay your rent with market share.
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post #70 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:18am
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There you go again with Android "owning" the market.

Didn't you get slammed yesterday by saying that very same thing?

Anyway... what does Google have other than the ability to say "our OS is on more phones" ?

Which is more important... OS market share or a company's profit?

Hint: you can't pay your rent with market share.

Slammed? Where? All I see is denial from Apple users. If Android is not profitable, then why are all these hardware vendors still producing products? It's not slowing down at all. The smartphone market is growing...with Android, not Apple/iOS. So clearly companies are making money. They will continue to do so and more Android Smartphones and soon Tablets will proliferate the market. Its so strange how strong Apple users are in such denial when the truth and future is showed to them.
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post #71 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:38am
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Nothing to do with not being open minded. In my experience (reasonable) - I am yet to meet one person who would not prefer an iPhone after a months use of either.

That's a different point than what you made before. But that's ok.

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If android is allowed to copy slavishly and make cheap Asian clones - apple as a microcosm of the US.will share its economic fate - undermined by cheap labour and cheap clones. And when apple eventually gets beaten....android prices I'll go up all over again...like Microsoft.

"Like Microsoft" - a common refrain. But there's a problem with that analogy - you can't say history is repeating itself when chapters 1, 2 and 3 are dramatically different. Even, for the sake of argument, Android ends up commanding the same marketshare as Windows and iOS is relegated to 5%, it is still not Microsoft-Apple redux.
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post #72 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:40am
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There you go again with Android "owning" the market.

Didn't you get slammed yesterday by saying that very same thing?

Anyway... what does Google have other than the ability to say "our OS is on more phones" ?

Which is more important... OS market share or a company's profit?

Hint: you can't pay your rent with market share.

Is Google having trouble paying rent? Samsung? HTC? Anyone?

Hint: none of the above.

Another hint: Stop repeating other people's arguments.
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post #73 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:48am
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The smartphone market is growing...with Android, not Apple/iOS.

Latter half is completely wrong.

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They will continue to do so and more Android Smartphones and soon Tablets will proliferate the market.

Because of how well that's worked for them so far

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Its so strange how strong Apple users are in such denial when the truth and future is showed to them.

Well, when you get some truth and future to show us, maybe we'll change our tune. As it stands
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post #74 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:48am
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The 4G LTE networks you have rolling out in the US were tested in Perth, Australia before being deployed. The 3.5G network that they will replace has been here for close to ten years with Telstra. Vodafail, Optus and 3 are still using 2.5E and 3G gen 1 networks. Optus has some 3.5 coverge with the 900MHZ band. 3.5 is yet to arrive in much of the US. 4G is only available in selected areas with one US network I think.

Relax mate - I'm not attacking the land of the Free - I think the US is wonderful. But they have to test tech - and it's cost/benefit somewhere. So they do it here - as we have similar populations, and land mass etc. Wasn't referring to the handsets necessarily - although your Verizon network uses analogue cell towers that were replaced (phased out) here over 10 years ago. Don't get defensive. I am an apple geek probably more than you are - but where I see a major problem looming - you seem to see nothing.

First of all, 4G LTE is a confusing term, since LTE is strictly speaking not 4G (yeah, yeah, here we go again).

Second, saying LTE was deployed in Perth first does not answer Sol's question about what tech is available only down under and not elsewhere. There are many countries with LTE deployed now. In fact, Australia is not even the first one with LTE (Norway and Sweden beat Perth by a few months).

All to say, I also see a major problem looming - you need to learn to stop changing the topics when engaged in a discussion or debate. And if you do change topics as a distraction tactic, at least get your facts perfectly straight. (Mind you, you're not way off, which is not bad around here. So, kudos)
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post #75 of 97
12/20/11 at 11:51am
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Slammed? Where? All I see is denial from Apple users. If Android is not profitable, then why are all these hardware vendors still producing products? It's not slowing down at all. The smartphone market is growing...with Android, not Apple/iOS.

iOS not growing?

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Its so strange how strong Apple users are in such denial when the truth and future is showed to them.

Strong Apple users are in denial? I think it's the weak ones.
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post #76 of 97
12/20/11 at 12:07pm
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First of all, 4G LTE is a confusing term, since LTE is strictly speaking not 4G (yeah, yeah, here we go again).

Second, saying LTE was deployed in Perth first does not answer Sol's question about what tech is available only down under and not elsewhere. There are many countries with LTE deployed now. In fact, Australia is not even the first one with LTE (Norway and Sweden beat Perth by a few months).

All to say, I also see a major problem looming - you need to learn to stop changing the topics when engaged in a discussion or debate. And if you do change topics as a distraction tactic, at least get your facts perfectly straight. (Mind you, you're not way off, which is not bad around here. So, kudos)

Semantics. I'm not changing topics. Just being attacked by different people attacking different aspects of the original post - and trying to answer on the fly.

Secondly - the trial in Perth occurred well before an official rollout - anywhere to my knowledge.

Finally - I really don't need advice on argumentation and technique. I could spend time justifying all of these comments further to a standard expected in formal dissertation. But why bother. The facts are the facts.
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post #77 of 97
12/20/11 at 12:23pm
Yet again totally unverified "estimates" of sales and shipments of devices by a firm of analysts that have frequently been proven wrong in the past are accepted and published as if they were facts. Just because they state something in a press release doesn't make it true!

Apple don't release their iPhone sales figures for Australia and NZ, and neither do Samsung. Nowhere in their press release do they say on what basis they reached these figures, but it certainly wasn't from any official company data. It was most likely based on estimates they magicked up out of surveys, "channel checks" and other vague and unverified methods that are the stock in trade of these firms. Techniques that have frequently been proven wrong in the past but no one ever seems to call BS on. Techniques that are the tech industry's version of astrology, and are about as reliable.
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post #78 of 97
12/20/11 at 12:23pm
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This is a poorly thought-out response and was exactly the complacency I referred to above. It doesn't matter that it's just aust and nz. These countries are battle grounds because companies fine tune strategy for the big leagues in the US and Europe. Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US. I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released. And Sony shut it down. I am concerned that you are seeing the first evidence of tide turning. Failure to appreciate this by apple will see iOS marginalized within the year. As happened to Sony. It would be a typically American mistake not to learn from their past errors

I think you are overreacting. iOS just needs enough market share to survive and thrive. It doesn't need to be the top seller. It isn't as if John Sculley or Michael Spindler were named CEO. There is room for 2 or even 3 or 4 major mobile operating systems.

That said, I do think that Apple is secretly a fan of Windows Phone and Windows 8 ARM. Any growth that those operating systems experience will probably be largely at the expense of Android.
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post #79 of 97
12/20/11 at 12:28pm
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Semantics. I'm not changing topics. Just being attacked by different people attacking different aspects of the original post - and trying to answer on the fly.

Secondly - the trial in Perth occurred well before an official rollout - anywhere to my knowledge.

Finally - I really don't need advice on argumentation and technique. I could spend time justifying all of these comments further to a standard expected in formal dissertation. But why bother. The facts are the facts.

Except, some of your facts aren't. (But some are.)
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12/20/11 at 12:37pm
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Someone had one of these on the tram today - I couldn't believe how much it looked just like iOS. I mean, everything about it was almost excactly the same, even down to messages appearing in little speech bubbles on the left and right of the screen.

If I was Korean, I'd be pretty pissed at Samsung taking the easy road with their smart phones.

What does nationality have to do with anything?

Just from the way you are making your statements suggest to me that you are discriminatory.

If you think products are purchased solely on nationalistic pride, think again.

If that was truly the case, there wont be any sales in Korea for iPhones.

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