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Though Apple just launched its new iCloud service, the company is already looking to improve the suite with new applications for the iPhone and iPad.

Apple's interest in further enhancing iCloud was revealed this week in a new job application published by the company and discovered by AppleInsider. The company is looking to hire someone for the position of iCloud Application Developer at its corporate headquarters in Cupertino, Calif.

"The iCloud team is looking for a proactive, creative-minded (engineer) to build the next generation of cocoa-based client applications that integrate tightly with a set of cloud based services," the listing reads.

The position requires someone who will develop both new and existing iPhone and iPad applications for iCloud services. Though it offers no indication of what those applications might be, it notes that employees will "build products that people want to use every day."

Apple's requirements for the position include a bachelor of science in computer science with 5 or more years of experience. The applicant must also have strong object-oriented programming and design skills, as well as experience with Cocoa and the iPhone software development kit.



One anticipated addition that could be folded in to Apple's iCloud suite could be a proprietary mapping service from Apple. Numerous job listings discovered by AppleInsider have suggested that Apple is building its own mapping and location services for iOS, which it hopes will "radically improve" on the current offerings.

The iCloud umbrella of services launched in October, replacing Apple's previous cloud-based option, MobileMe. It includes former MobileMe services like Find My iPhone, Mail and Contacts, as well as Documents in the Cloud, iTunes in the Cloud and more.
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Beyond syncing and storage, what else there might be that's useful in the cloud? That's their job description. To find out and design such application that we would use every day. Looking forward for new ideas.
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iCloud.com offers very few features, and the email is excruciatingly slow, ugh!

We do not NEED more apps that rely on iCloud, but we do need better iCloud performance and more features, like being able to post pictures, flickr, and store files like Dropbox.
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They need to make iWork documents on the Mac work seamlessly with iCloud.

This whole workaround of downloading and uploading to iCloud.com is a kludgy disaster!
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Why does the first line cite the iPhone and iPad? There's no mention of iOS in the job details they posted but it does mention Cocoa. Doesn't that suggest they're looking for someone to help tie iCloud support into Mac apps (something sorely lacking in the current implementation of iWork)? Some interface has to be set up to bridge the divide between the filesystem-based Mac and filesystem-loathing iOS.
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iCloud.com offers very few features, and the email is excruciatingly slow, ugh!

We do not NEED more apps that rely on iCloud, but we do need better iCloud performance and more features, like being able to post pictures, flickr, and store files like Dropbox.

And maybe that is what this new job is all about.

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An upgraded replacement for the obsolescing iWeb software would seem to be a natural. Cloud-based?
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An upgraded replacement for the obsolescing iWeb software would seem to be a natural. Cloud-based?

That and a proper iDisk replacement.

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For one, they could get the Gallery back. That was previously unmatched anywhere on the net. To be honest, they could just junk iCloud since it doesn't do what it's supposed to and reinstate Mobile Me which did. Why they junked it I don't know - it worked fine for me. Emails, Gallery sync, iDisk were all brill.
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…they could just junk iCloud since it doesn't do what it's supposed to…

This ought to be good… Explain.

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Siris based, turn by turn mapping for iOS and a full 3D mapping for OS X and IOS in 2012 ... Pretty Please
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It would be nice if they opened the API to third party developers. It's lame having to go into iTunes just to transfer files to and from my iPad.
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For one, they could get the Gallery back. That was previously unmatched anywhere on the net. To be honest, they could just junk iCloud since it doesn't do what it's supposed to and reinstate Mobile Me which did. Why they junked it I don't know - it worked fine for me. Emails, Gallery sync, iDisk were all brill.

Happy to say I have both, Mobile Me ( for now anyway) and iCloud and the latter is 'brill' too ... I would love to see the Gallery function extended in Mobile after it ends or migrated to iCloud.
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They need to make iWork documents on the Mac work seamlessly with iCloud.

This whole workaround of downloading and uploading to iCloud.com is a kludgy disaster!

I couldn't agree more!! Having to upload and download etc is very un-like Apple, more
Microsfitish.,,
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Photo Stream was a good first step toward cloud-syncing photo libraries, but Photos/iPhoto still needs work. Photo Stream is more of a push mechanism for getting photos to iPhoto, and it needs to be more of a cloud-based app where you can edit photos, group photos into folders, email photos, etc., without iPhoto being the mother ship.

Music/iTunes also need a few iCloud tweaks. If you add songs to a playlist or rearrange the order of songs in a playlist, iCloud should populate those changes to your other devices. Wifi Sync is better than hard-syncing the devices to your computer, but iCloud should make even Wifi Sync unnecessary.

Downcast's new iCloud features are pretty great -- syncing podcast episodes, play positions, etc., over iCloud.
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Though Apple just launched its new iCloud service, the company is already looking to improve the suite with new applications for the iPhone and iPad....

They might want to focus on making iCloud work properly for stuff like Mail first.

At this point it's degenerated to being pretty much the worst webmail client I've ever used.

Also, Pages for iOS crashes and burns trying to connect to iCloud all the time.
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Siris based, turn by turn mapping for iOS and a full 3D mapping for OS X and IOS in 2012 ... Pretty Please

And this has what to do with iCloud exactly?
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And this has what to do with iCloud exactly?

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A stronger mapping App would be great. I personally hope Apple partners with someone to come up with a comprehensive, integrated fitness application that incorporates training of various kinds, nutrition, and other health tips. There really is nothing like that currently and I think it would be a HUGE market. One problem with existing apps is that doing data entry/viewing stats on an iPhone gets tiring fast. If they could allow users to view the whole app via iCloud, and create an intuitive interface for the Nano (rather than iPhone/touch--which are big and bulky for gym/running/biking)--I seriously think Apple could start/own the fitness market--which is big and getting bigger.
BTW--I use ActivTrax through iOS Safari. It is good, but hasn't really touched what is possible.
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I agree. Gallery and iDisk are a must have for the iCloud!
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iCloud.com offers very few features, and the email is excruciatingly slow, ugh!

We do not NEED more apps that rely on iCloud, but we do need better iCloud performance and more features, like being able to post pictures, flickr, and store files like Dropbox.

I agree. Apple should buy DropBox immediately.

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I agree. Apple should buy DropBox immediately.

They tried.

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i agree. Gallery and idisk are a must have for the icloud!

yes!
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...a dropbox clone?

It already does this but in an unsupported way.
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Isn't it ironic that Steve Jobs on-paper wouldn't be qualified to get a job at Apple?
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iCloud.com offers very few features, and the email is excruciatingly slow, ugh!

Yeah, the iCloud.com UI, although pretty, wasn't built for speed; which it should have been.
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iDisk/mobileme sucked, it was slower than hell, when it decided to work at all.
iCloud has a couple of cool concepts like photo stream, Find my iPhone and iTunes match.

None of it is even close to the ease of use of Drop Box

With wireless back-ups/updates, photo stream, and dropbox I never have to connect my phone to my computer again.

For being into the whole cloud concept for as long s they have Apples waaaay behind the curve where usability is concerned.
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Isn't it ironic that Steve Jobs on-paper wouldn't be qualified to get a job at Apple?

On paper his credentials are great. What you mean to say is that he couldn't get this iCloud position because he doesn't have a bachelors degree in computer science, but Jobs wouldn't go for such a position anyway so it's moot.

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They tried.

Throw more money at them.

Seriously, do whatever it takes. I have MM and its a very so so service IME. I like the interface and the features offered in MM. Like you, I really would like an iDisk replacement. AccountEdge software has a hook into MM and allows you to back up to iDisk automagically when you close the app which is really nice. I'm really going to miss that feature.

But the MM in general lacks polish. iDisk can be frustratingly slow at times and occasionally, more than it should, web mail will not autofill a recipients info from your contacts. That doesn't occur all the time but seems to happen much more so than with Hotmail.
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From what I can tell it takes 1.07MB to just to load the sign on screen for iCloud and then 3.38MB to load the Mail app in iCloud. That's excessive. The way the site looks and works is nice but not at the expense of usability.

How many of us are using this site? I've only used it for Find My iDevice access and for a short round of Kill Your Address Book when iCloud was getting wonky with my contact syncing.

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I'm still using iDisk and would have a hard time living without it... During the semester I use it every single day. Plz Apple bring it on board.

Documents - Can hardly wait for OSX support.

Backup is awesome. I restore my phone and iPad just for the fun of it now.

Photostream is cool. I'm glad you can now delete photos.

iTunes in the cloud is awesome... Sometimes I'll have the occasional hiccup though.

I rarely use find my friends and find my phone, but they are nice to have.

Contacts, Calendar, and mail are fantastic - Sometimes mail acts a little funky. Overall I love it though.

Apple, if you can make iCloud even better, go for it.
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iDisk/mobileme sucked, it was slower than hell, when it decided to work at all.
iCloud has a couple of cool concepts like photo stream, Find my iPhone and iTunes match.

None of it is even close to the ease of use of Drop Box

With wireless back-ups/updates, photo stream, and dropbox I never have to connect my phone to my computer again.

For being into the whole cloud concept for as long s they have Apples waaaay behind the curve where usability is concerned.

That's too bad. My experience is the exact opposite. iDisk is my life. I once tried streaming a video I had uploaded to Dropbox and it literally gave me fits.
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I'm still using iDisk and would have a hard time living without it...

Are you sure about that? Have you tried alternatives?

iDisk's transfer speeds has always been slow but it's also very limited in scope compared to modern solutions. I used Dropbox for school because it was better. It syncs between machines automatically, it syncs fast by only updating the changes, and there are versions and deleted files that can be accessed for 30 days with a free account.

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Are you sure about that? Have you tried alternatives?

iDisk's transfer speeds has always been slow but it's also very limited in scope compared to modern solutions. I used Dropbox for school because it was better. It syncs between machines automatically, it syncs fast by only updating the changes, and there are versions and deleted files that can be accessed for 30 days with a free account.

I tried Dropbox because everyone I know uses and loves it. But I saw no advantage over idisk(perhaps I didn't look hard enough). Though that deleted file recovery sounds cool.

With iDisk I just drag a file from my Mac and drop it in the finder window. When I get to school and pull out my iPhone or iPad, it's there. I upload software so that friends and family can later download. About a month ago I uploaded MS office for my buddy. I initially tried Dropbox, but I guess the free account couldn't handle the file size.

I'll check it out again. Everyone I know swears by it.
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I tried Dropbox because everyone I know uses and loves it. But I saw no advantage over idisk(perhaps I didn't look hard enough). Though that deleted file recovery sounds cool.

With iDisk I just drag a file from my Mac and drop it in the finder window. When I get to school and pull out my iPhone or iPad, it's there. I upload software so that friends and family can later download. About a month ago I uploaded MS office for my buddy. I initially tried Dropbox, but I guess the free account couldn't handle the file size.

I'll check it out again. Everyone I know swears by it.

You get 2GB(?) with the free account which is less than iDisk but I assume, like me, your school files are mostly notes you're taking. You really can't lose anything or make a mistake with a Dropbox file. That's why I loved it for school.

As for apps, I seem to recall you give a password to friend and family to access files with iDisk. With Dropbox you just share a folder with whomever and you can create as many folders as you wish. This is also handy it you want to share the same file with multiple people in different folders. Once you've uploaded it you can then copy to the other folders. Your Mac will take up the space as with any copy but Dropbox's servers will know they have it and will automatically add it to and then sync to the other people's folders nearly instantly. With iDisk you are doing multiple uploads because it's not intelligent enough to know better.

I'd give it or SugarSync another try. Those safety nets and syncing time savers can be a real benefit.

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Yeah, the iCloud.com UI, although pretty, wasn't built for speed; which it should have been.

If you click on things too fast it shows you an "iCloud has unexpectedly crashed" message, but then mostly keeps going too which is bizarre behaviour at best. At least one time out of every four or five I access it, it just spins and spins and never loads also. It really has that 1.0 or possibly even beta feel to it.

The thing I find funny is that MobileMe, while also slow, was faster than iCloud and slightly more reliable, and .Mac which proceeded that was very fast and much more reliable than either.

Possibly it's just the load of all the millions of folks using it, but it's just crazy how it keeps getting worse with each iteration. It's just bizarre how crazy bad their email product is.

If I hadn't got eight years or so invested in that email address and if there was a decent alternative, (GMail hater here), I'd quit it tomorrow and I'm a huge Apple fan and have dutifully paid them much money over the years for the service.
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I tried Dropbox because everyone I know uses and loves it. But I saw no advantage over idisk(perhaps I didn't look hard enough). Though that deleted file recovery sounds cool.

With iDisk I just drag a file from my Mac and drop it in the finder window. When I get to school and pull out my iPhone or iPad, it's there. I upload software so that friends and family can later download. About a month ago I uploaded MS office for my buddy. I initially tried Dropbox, but I guess the free account couldn't handle the file size.

I'll check it out again. Everyone I know swears by it.

I don't like their security model. The idea that when I upload a file it goes and checks to see if anyone else uploaded the same file and if so gives me access to that file instead of my own is just weird. It seems like a bad idea IMO.

Part of the problem with comparing services like this is that they are global service but yet operate differently in different countries too. For me iDisk has never been fast enough to even be useable, but from what I hear from my American friends, in California it runs like a rocket.

Comparing the services based on single points of anecdotal evidence from users located in different areas is basically a waste of time. The trouble is though there are few if any objective measurements of quality in this area.
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You get 2GB(?) with the free account which is less than iDisk but I assume, like me, your school files are mostly notes you're taking. You really can't lose anything or make a mistake with a Dropbox file. That's why I loved it for school.

As for apps, I seem to recall you give a password to friend and family to access files with iDisk. With Dropbox you just share a folder with whomever and you can create as many folders as you wish. This is also handy it you want to share the same file with multiple people in different folders. Once you've uploaded it you can then copy to the other folders. Your Mac will take up the space as with any copy but Dropbox's servers will know they have it and will automatically add it to and then sync to the other people's folders nearly instantly. With iDisk you are doing multiple uploads because it's not intelligent enough to know better.

I'd give it or SugarSync another try. Those safety nets and syncing time savers can be a real benefit.

I have 20 GB with iDisk(which means I now have 25 GB with iCloud). And I think iDisk used to require a password when sharing, now you just email them the download link.
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From what I can tell it takes 1.07MB to just to load the sign on screen for iCloud and then 3.38MB to load the Mail app in iCloud. That's excessive. The way the site looks and works is nice but not at the expense of usability.

How many of us are using this site? I've only used it for Find My iDevice access and for a short round of Kill Your Address Book when iCloud was getting wonky with my contact syncing.

I've not migrated from MM to iCloud yet and I'm going to wait to see if they make changes to improve usability.
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Isn't it ironic that Steve Jobs on-paper wouldn't be qualified to get a job at Apple?

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On paper his credentials are great. What you mean to say is that he couldn't get this iCloud position because he doesn't have a bachelors degree in computer science, but Jobs wouldn't go for such a position anyway so it's moot.

Just because they publish minimum requirements -- doesn't mean they can't be waived!

Things like this happen all the time.

When we applied for an Apple dealership in 1978, Apple had a minimum requirement that you had to have at least $125,000 in funding available.

We had $60,000 cash to invest ($20,000 from each of the 3 principals).

Apple was firm... they wouldn't approve us unless we came up with additional funding or has someone cosign for the difference.

Jim and I were both employed at IBM with good Salaries and and 14+ years of employment -- Mark had managed a computer store for 5 months.

I figured that Jim and I each made much more than the Apple people interviewing us -- and even those who would need to approve our application.

I explained this to the Apple rep and asked if Jim and I could cosign for ourselves...

The rep ran it by the responsible executive and came back a few moments later, saying that this would be OK.


So, for the first (and only) time in my life I cosigned for myself.


What was ironic is that Apple was so backlogged, they couldn't ship any meaningful quantity of Apple ][s (their only product) for 6 months.
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