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7" panel orders reportedly overtake 9.7" shipments as iPad 2 production draws down

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Growing interest in 7-inch tablets from Amazon and Barnes & Noble has led to a spike in panel shipments even as Apple is believed to be drawing down production of the iPad 2 in preparation for its next-generation tablet, resulting in reports that 7-inch orders have briefly surpassed those of 9.7-inch panels.

Taiwan's DigiTimes claimed on Thursday that "sources from panel players" indicated a strong boost in purchases of 7-inch panels in November, enough to push the supply volume past that of 9.7-inch panels bound for the iPad and other similarly-sized tablets. Shipments of the component reportedly grew 17 percent in one month as Amazon readied its Kindle Fire tablet and Barnes & Noble ramped up production of its Nook Tablet.

"As for 9.7-inch panel, due to Apple reportedly being ready to launch the next-generation iPad in the first half of 2012, the company's purchasing of the panel for the existing model dropped in November, but may start pick up again as the company will need to prepare panels for the new models," the report read.

Apple is believed to be in the middle of a transition away from iPad 2 production as it prepares for the third-generation iPad. The next-generation tablet is expected to arrive early next year, with one analyst claiming it could arrive as early as next February. For its part, DigiTimes has claimed that Apple's next iPad will arrive in March or April 2012.

Early sales of the Kindle Fire appear to suggest that the iPad has met its first mainstream competitor in the tablet market. Amazon revealed last week that it had sold "millions of units" of the Fire without providing further details. The device has been the online retailer's best-selling product for weeks.

A number of analysts have reined in their iPad estimates for the fourth quarter due to better-than-expected momentum from the Kindle Fire. Wall Street consensus for the holiday quarter stands at 13 million iPads.

Research firm IDC believes the Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet will lead Android's tablet charge this quarter, driving an expected 8 percent leap in market share for the platform. Meanwhile, the iPad is expected to fall from 61.5 percent market share to 59 percent, according to the firm.



As the iPad has faced increasing pressure from more diminutive tablet form factors, rumors have cropped up claiming that Apple will cave in and release its own 7-inch iPad in order to stave off the competition. Such reports, however, have been dismissed by some as being pure speculation, considering the company already looked into the 7-inch form factor before deciding it was too small.

Other reports have suggested that Apple may expand its iPad lineup next year, adding lower and higher price point versions. One analyst recently claimed that the company could release a Retina Display iPad as a true third generation alongside a cheaper "iPad 2S" with upgraded internals but the same resolution as its predecessor.
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That's impossible.

1) People are only interested in the iPad. The other platforms don't sell
2) Steve Jobs has decreed the no-one is interested in a 7'' format.
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Oh no, Apple just lost the tablet market¡ How will they ever cope with making all the profit¡


PS: Archos has also just released a $199 7" tablet running Honeycomb. It's the first one below $200. This is a big deal, IMO, yet seems to be getting little attention.


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2) Steve Jobs has decreed the no-one is interested in a 7'' format.

What did Steve say exactly?

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What did Steve say exactly?

Whatever he said it is not relevant. Not because he is gone but because the market has changed since then. if Apple brought out a seven inch device At some point in the future I would not be surprised. If they brought one out in the first half of 2012, I would be.
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I think the size of the iPad is fine as is. At this point, changing the size would mean that Apple needs to produce entirely new aluminum cases as well as other companies like Otterbox and Incase will have to modify their cases for iPads. Im sure it's somewhat cheaper to make it smaller, but I highly doubt that they'll drop the price dramatically. I think people are draw to the more convenient and small sized tablets because it feels more "holdable" and easy to get a grasp on.
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Whatever he said it is not relevant. Not because he is gone but because the market has changed since then. if Apple brought out a seven inch device At some point in the future I would not be surprised. If they brought one out in the first half of 2012, I would be.

I'm curious because his comment about shaving down your fingers which gets thrown out of context. Obviously Apple can make a version of iOS for a smaller display because that is how the iPhone. I don't think Apple will go with a smaller iPad but I do think they could go with a larger iPod Touch.

As for the market changing I agree, but when you look at how it's changed its using forked versions of Android that are closed and running a limited set of HW and SW features that make a 7" design feasible and cost effective. They are the netbooks of the tablet world. Are these sustainable or will people realize a 3" x 6" display are only decent for glorified eReaders but don't make a good tablet experience when replacing a 'PC' for longtime usage?

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post #7 of 65
I don't want a f'cking 7 inch screen. I have an iPhone 4 and will have an iPhone 5 with a larger screen. Covers the small screen market nicely.

My first iPad will be this year. Full size and retina.

7 inch Kindles are for gurls. Just watch Amazon's commercials. But my wife had a Kindle. Now she has an iPad 2. The training wheels are off.
post #8 of 65
I don't get it. Something does't make sense.

They would still need 9.7 inch panels for the next iPad. The volume would presumably be close to the same, especially if they need to stock up for a crazy launch like they did with the 4S.

Is it a totally new panel then? Maybe a Retina panel that for some reason doesn't show up in the Analyst's number crunching?

I'm still hoping for a double resolution panel, but something here doesn't add up.

Ha ha! I would have figured there were a ton of EXTRA 7" panels from the previous Android models that didn't sell. Shipments would be the key word... and shipments would be quite smooth!
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7 inch Kindles are for gurls. Just watch Amazon's commercials. But my wife had a Kindle. Now she has an iPad 2. The training wheels are off.

You're a monument to your gender! How nice of you to get your wife an iPad so she's finally not a "gurl" but a full fledge woman!
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You're a monument to your gender! How nice of you to get your wife an iPad so she's finally not a "gurl" but a full fledge woman!

And you can be 100% sure that he would have been playing Urge Overkill's version of "Gurl You'll Be a Woman Soon" before getting her the iPad!
post #11 of 65
Every time I see that ad for Facetime on the iPad 2, I am just fascinated by the amount of thought that goes into even a single image. Sure, it isn't too accurate, since people are never looking straight into the camera on Facetime, but the colour matching and co-ordination on the photo is something to marvel at.

I guess it is second nature to someone in advertising, but it really impresses me. Great job.
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The domino effect is happening right before our eyes. Because of Amazons success using Android the 7" form factor is finally getting traction. Actually overtaking iPad screen size. So 2011 we see the smartphone war won by Android, 2012 will most likely usher the tablet war going for another Google/Android win. I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.
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Reliable sources claim that Apple is working on a 0.7" iPad. Slated to be launched January 32nd. Apple has been quoted as saying the average human can't see past his own finger nail. So we are launching an implant with a cable attached for transferring music. The cable is larger than the iPad and is said to interfere with how people will blink. Having an iPad attached to your eyeball seems a bit extreme but people are in favor of having crap stuck to their eye ball. Orders have gone out for 100 billion units. Apple expects the sales of some 200 billion units. China has already used some 1 billion of its people to experiment on. Most have gone blind in one eye but say they loved it when asked via gun point.
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The domino effect is happening right before our eyes. Because of Amazons success using Android the 7" form factor is finally getting traction. Actually overtaking iPad screen size. So 2011 we see the smartphone war won by Android, 2012 will most likely usher the tablet war going for another Google/Android win. I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.

What will Google/Android win?
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Originally Posted by slapppy View Post

The domino effect is happening right before our eyes. Because of Amazons success using Android the 7" form factor is finally getting traction. Actually overtaking iPad screen size. So 2011 we see the smartphone war won by Android, 2012 will most likely usher the tablet war going for another Google/Android win. I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.

Uh, yeah. If you add up all the Android tablets and Kindle Fires for all of 2011 and 2010, you still won't equal what Apple "shipped" in one quarter. Good try though sparky.

By the way, the numbers make no sense. Apple shipped or is expected to ship 13 million plus iPads in Q4 and make up over 60% of the market. Amazon supposedly sold only 3-4 million Fires in that time frame. If 7" screens surpassed 9.7" panels, where did the other 10 million + 7" panels go? To Chinese white label tablets?
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Uh, yeah. If you add up all the Android tablets and Kindle Fires for all of 2011 and 2010, you still won't equal what Apple "shipped" in one quarter. Good try though sparky.

By the way, the numbers make no sense. Apple shipped or is expected to ship 13 million plus iPads in Q4 and make up over 60% of the market. Amazon supposedly sold only 3-4 million Fires in that time frame. If 7" screens surpassed 9.7" panels, where did the other 10 million + 7" panels go? To Chinese white label tablets?

Remember this a rumour from DigiTimes.

Throw in B&N and all these little tablet makers and I think you could get those numbers. Do a search no Amazon for 7" tablet and you get almost 22,000 results. There are accessories in that list but the number of off brand tablets many that are below $100 is staggering. Plus, are they only counting LCD IPS panels (which is the only viable choice today), LCD panels, or all 7" panels which could include eInk panels. For all we know their source could be counting a form factor not a display technology, and they certainly aren't counting 7" LCD IPS tablet running Android.

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post #17 of 65
big deal about 7 inch tablets. But the marketing on them is probably what is of interest to tech companies. They can tout the idea of putting them in your pocket. Whatever.
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Seems the 7" form is more fad driven, released at holiday time with a good price point. Yet, in the long term, 7" screens will prove to be "too big to be small and too small to be big"
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Seems the 7" form is more fad driven, released at holiday time with a good price point. Yet, in the long term, 7" screens will prove to be "too big to be small and too small to be big"

Sorta reminds me of the netbook craze.

They were cheap... but were kinda small for actual work.

*although some people loved them
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As the iPad has faced increasing pressure from more diminutive tablet form factors, rumors have cropped up claiming that Apple will cave in and release its own 7-inch iPad in order to stave off the competition.

That sort of pressure would be reflected in the marketshare:

http://www.t3.com/news/apples-tablet...-61-5-per-cent

Let's just say the marketshare of their closest rival is 'quite smooth'.

They also make a 10" tablet. I quite like the 7" form factor for a tablet as it's very light and easy to hold with one hand and I don't really find it to be all that cramped for browsing etc. but given the choice, I'd probably go for a 10" if the price difference wasn't significant. From looking at the competition, it seems they almost charge the same for the 7" and 10" versions (not even $100 between them).

The big problem with a 7" is if Apple made one and it was cheaper, people would buy it for the price not for the size.
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It's a shame Apple did away with the annual MacWorld keynote in January as it always led to some interesting Mac related rumours around this time of the year. Now all we get is the same iPhone/iPad rumours repeated over and over simply because the analysts have to churn out something to keep their highly paid jobs.
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There are two form factors that make sense in regards to tablets. One is covered by the iPad in that it is large enough to be just the right size for what it is used but not so large as to be awkward to handle.

The other form factor is something pocketable like the Touch.

The iPad is on the money. No need for a change. The Touch is a little too small in that it could be a little larger and still be small enough to slip into most pockets.

Then you have the 7-inch form factor. Too large to slip into anyone's pocket and too small to compete well against a device like the iPad. Pick up a 7-incher and right after try out an iPad. No contest.

Apple doesn't need a 7-inch device. Make a larger Touch and sell a lower-cost iPad based on the current version. Mission accomplished.
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Sorta reminds me of the netbook craze.

They were cheap... but were kinda small for actual work.

*although some people loved them

Some people still do. :-D

While relaxing in the late evening, while I sometimes reach for my iPad for a little Steambirds, I'm more inclined to reach for my System76 netbook - especially for IMing a friend. Nothing beats a real keyboard for serious conversations, I'm afraid - and of course for some old school Empire...
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I'm sure there was an uptick in panel production before any were sold to insure sufficient stock at launch.

The question is, will sales continue or die out in a Fire sale?

If sale are great then why doesn't Amazon announce Fire sales numbers?
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That's impossible.

1) People are only interested in the iPad. The other platforms don't sell
2) Steve Jobs has decreed the no-one is interested in a 7'' format.

Sales numbers?

I'm sure RIMM and HP ordered lots of screens before they went on firesale!
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Id still buy a 7" iPad/iPod touch/whatever if Apple came out with one.

But I'm still curious what else Apple could even do to the iPad to make it more appealing than it is now. The processor and graphics are fine as is, although im sure it will get an upgrade (although unneeded). And of course a Retina screen, which would be very nice. But outside of that, what? No need or appeal to get smaller, no need for extended battery life, no need for a better camera or video camera (seriously- who takes a picture with an iPad? Lol). So what else would people like that would make me upgrade outside of the screen? A FaceTime hd camera? Siri?
When the iPhone 4 came out, it boasted retina, faster processor/graphics, FaceTime, a useful 5mp and 720p camera, updated iOS, battery life, appearance, etc. So the iPad 3 will be....? Although, after the 4S just got a couple things, I guess the iPad will be the same- no need for ground braking improvement when you have something great already. I just fear people won't upgrade if they already own the iPad 2.

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Id still buy a 7" iPad/iPod touch/whatever if Apple came out with one.

But I'm still curious what else Apple could even do to the iPad to make it more appealing than it is now. The processor and graphics are fine as is, although im sure it will get an upgrade (although unneeded). And of course a Retina screen, which would be very nice. But outside of that, what? No need or appeal to get smaller, no need for extended battery life, no need for a better camera or video camera (seriously- who takes a picture with an iPad? Lol). So what else would people like that would make me upgrade outside of the screen? A FaceTime hd camera? Siri?
When the iPhone 4 came out, it boasted retina, faster processor/graphics, FaceTime, a useful 5mp and 720p camera, updated iOS, battery life, appearance, etc. So the iPad 3 will be....? Although, after the 4S just got a couple things, I guess the iPad will be the same- no need for ground braking improvement when you have something great already. I just fear people won't upgrade if they already own the iPad 2.

This time around, I'd like to see:
-- better CPU GPU
-- additional RAM SSD
-- better camera
-- retina display

From a capability standpoint, I'd like to see:
-- Siri
-- online Siri store
-- scripting of apps through Siri
-- Siri APIs for developers
-- ad hoc WiFi between iDevices
-- more codec/external camera support
-- FCPX mobile for video editing
-- more robust Pages, Numbers, Keynote


For the round after that, I'd like to see a 15" or 17" iPad.
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There are two form factors that make sense in regards to tablets. One is covered by the iPad in that it is large enough to be just the right size for what it is used but not so large as to be awkward to handle.

The other form factor is something pocketable like the Touch.

The iPad is on the money. No need for a change. The Touch is a little too small in that it could be a little larger and still be small enough to slip into most pockets.

Then you have the 7-inch form factor. Too large to slip into anyone's pocket and too small to compete well against a device like the iPad. Pick up a 7-incher and right after try out an iPad. No contest.

Apple doesn't need a 7-inch device. Make a larger Touch and sell a lower-cost iPad based on the current version. Mission accomplished.

I think you're right on here. I think the iPad size is fine...i would have preferred a 12" screen but whatever, most think that's to awkward...so fine, have it your way.

I always thought the iPhone/Touch should get a massive boost in screen size. After looking at the Galaxy and Evo (4.56" and 4.3" respectively), the iphone looks tiny in comparison. So you're right, I'd bump the screen size on the iphone/touch and let it be. I'd keep the resolution of the LCD the same as the retina though.

A 4.7" or 5.7" iPhone and iPod Touch would pretty much put all competing tablets to bed.

The 7" tablet craze will slowly become future iPad purchases, so I'm not worried about that.

Amazon is actually pretty smart with this. They not only sell a tablet for their products and services, but also allow the Apple fans to be involved in it with the iPad/phone App. Microsoft can learn something here...(MS Office)
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

Id still buy a 7" iPad/iPod touch/whatever if Apple came out with one.

But I'm still curious what else Apple could even do to the iPad to make it more appealing than it is now. The processor and graphics are fine as is, although im sure it will get an upgrade (although unneeded). And of course a Retina screen, which would be very nice. But outside of that, what? No need or appeal to get smaller, no need for extended battery life, no need for a better camera or video camera (seriously- who takes a picture with an iPad? Lol). So what else would people like that would make me upgrade outside of the screen? A FaceTime hd camera? Siri?
When the iPhone 4 came out, it boasted retina, faster processor/graphics, FaceTime, a useful 5mp and 720p camera, updated iOS, battery life, appearance, etc. So the iPad 3 will be....? Although, after the 4S just got a couple things, I guess the iPad will be the same- no need for ground braking improvement when you have something great already. I just fear people won't upgrade if they already own the iPad 2.

why is it necessary to upgrade with every generation of a model? What's wrong with making products that last? Apple uses pretty good components and durable materials. Makes me miss the days when you can buy a computer/discman/whatever and it lasts you up to 6-8 years. My first computer out of college (2000) lasted me about 8 years, perhaps 2 years too long but it still worked. For me, I upgraded my iPhone when the iOS no longer supported it. that was the iPhone 3G. I'm planning on keeping my iPad just as long.
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why is it necessary to upgrade with every generation of a model? What's wrong with making products that last? Apple uses pretty good components and durable materials. Makes me miss the days when you can buy a computer/discman/whatever and it lasts you up to 6-8 years. My first computer out of college (2000) lasted me about 8 years, perhaps 2 years too long but it still worked. For me, I upgraded my iPhone when the iOS no longer supported it. that was the iPhone 3G. I'm planning on keeping my iPad just as long.

I was speaking as the way Apple looks at it. They want people to upgrade every 1-2 years on their iDevices. Hence why they drastically changed the iPod every year, iPhone every couple years, and the leap from an original iPad to the iPad 2.
Personally, I upgrade every 1 or 2 models (usually 1) because I can sell the previous model for almost what I buy the new generation for. But it's gonna take more than Retina Display to wet my appetite this go-round.

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The domino effect is happening right before our eyes. Because of Amazons success using Android the 7" form factor is finally getting traction. Actually overtaking iPad screen size. So 2011 we see the smartphone war won by Android, 2012 will most likely usher the tablet war going for another Google/Android win. I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.

Hmm... Tell me how exactly is a 7'' Andorthingy going to overtake the iPad screen size?

With a very large bezel??
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This time around, I'd like to see:
-- better CPU GPU
-- additional RAM SSD
-- better camera
-- retina display

From a capability standpoint, I'd like to see:
-- Siri
-- online Siri store
-- scripting of apps through Siri
-- Siri APIs for developers
-- ad hoc WiFi between iDevices
-- more codec/external camera support
-- FCPX mobile for video editing
-- more robust Pages, Numbers, Keynote


For the round after that, I'd like to see a 15" or 17" iPad.

The first round I completely agree!

The second round seems to me rather a completely new category. I wouldn't call It iPad any more.
But for starting a power user touch computing market, maybe this might happen in a not all to far future. But Apps like FCP X; Logic X and hopefully some Adobe and Autocad applications ought to be ready for touch UI.
post #33 of 65
Apple will launch a larger iPhone, then a larger iPod Touch, and keep the IPad to the perfect 10" screen. Then its pretty much game over again for all of the competitors.

I've tried to use the 7", and maybe I just have big hands, but it's really a frustrating size for a man. If you are a woman, or a man that has woman sized hands, then you might get along with it much easier.

And for the record, Android on the Galaxy Tab is an abomination and its choppy self should be removed from shelves immediately.
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Taiwan's DigiTimes claimed

I've stop reading right there... Every analysis coming from Digitimes are bogus and a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by Blitz1 View Post

That's impossible.

1) People are only interested in the iPad. The other platforms don't sell
2) Steve Jobs has decreed the no-one is interested in a 7'' format.

If the 7 inch tablets are all DOA, where does that leave the iPad?
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PS: Archos has also just released a $199 7" tablet running Honeycomb. It's the first one below $200. This is a big deal, IMO, yet seems to be getting little attention.






Me, personally, I'm pretty much fed up with Archos. Their products always have lots of promise, but too many have "gotchas", like having to buy codecs from them for inflated prices in order to unlock hardware capabilities. Always more promise than what gets delivered. Many of their earlier Android tablets, for example, were not licensed, and so had no access to the Google App Store.
Is it possible that they will try to sell ICS updates for $39.95? That would be typical for them.

I predict that Archos will continue to sell few products, but will limp along like they've been doing for years.
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My first iPad will be this year. Full size and retina.

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Not this year. Probably not next.

Get the iPad 2s in the meantime. It will be announced soon.
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The kindle fire seems to be making a hit in the market primarily because of its low price points and people who are still skeptical about the need of a tablet may see KF as a try out....just $199. Let's give it a try!

You cannot actually compare the small success of this 7" KF with the 9.7" iPad. They are offering totally different capabilities. KF is still perceived to be a reading tablet with some games. That's it for now. For the iPad, it's a fully functional tablet that they are still plenty of untouched capabilities in areas that you cannot even imagine! No one will use a garage band type app on the KF right!? The iPad is relatively great in its touch sensitivity and UI, in its friendly user experience and so on even with the existing form factors of the iPad2.

Okay so why Jobs said 7" is rubbish? I believe the rationale behind the saying is a 7" tablet cannot provide the same experience and will be damped if it was to be equipped with similar, comparable capabilities and functions of the iPad. the 7" form factor will largely limit the potential power that a table can reach. This posts no contradiction with what the 7" KF has achieved. KF is not an iPad killer as critics said

you can say that 7" is good in size for women and for your pocket. But might not be good enough when people are demanding more advanced functions yet with simple UI which is what Apple has been continuously working on and superior than all others
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I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.

With the one exception of a non-computer product, twas always thus.
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The domino effect is happening right before our eyes. Because of Amazons success using Android the 7" form factor is finally getting traction. Actually overtaking iPad screen size. So 2011 we see the smartphone war won by Android, 2012 will most likely usher the tablet war going for another Google/Android win. I'm starting to feel bad for Apple, they had a good start but can't keep ahead.

Some good Droidy koolaid you are drinking there slapppy. The only reason the 7" form factor has "traction" as you call it is because Apple sewed up the market on the larger screens and left the rest of the industry with having to settle for the smaller form factor. Reading for comprehension is a much better approach than reading for the results you desire.

And let's be clear here, the "smartphone" market is not yet "won", until we see the market actually plateau. Android is taking the lead by rapidly eroding the feature phone segment with the cheaper Android "smart" phones, it is only once the market saturates that you can start proclaiming whether one or more OSes or handset makers have in fact "won". Android started by decimating the Windows phone segment out from under Redmond, and once that was done moved to destroy Nokia's foothold in feature phones.

Apple on the other hand, is pulling in mainstream consumers out of the Android market. I was in shopping at the local Apple Store (I think I love Personal Pickup!) And at their Personal Setup table every single phone being swapped out was an Android phone - there were ten or twelve people sitting there dumping Android phones for iPhones. Not a scientific survey, but it surprised me. Not a flip phone in the lot. So I asked - and the consensus was that the iPhone "works better" than the Android phones they were dropping.

Amazon's success with the Fire is yet to be proven. But leave it to you to crow about vaporous "success". Android will falter. The market will plateau, and then the segments will rebalance. Unless Android is continuously improved from a user standpoint - it will remain the gateway device for iPhones. And while it currently enjoys larger marketshare and drives growth into the smartphone segment. It is still way too early in the game to declare a win. Apple has demonstrated that they are in the markets on a long-term basis. You need to settle down grab a beer and relax. The fact that you insist on sitting in the rival team's cheering section as an Android fan is just funny as hell.
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  • 7" panel orders reportedly overtake 9.7" shipments as iPad 2 production draws down
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