Samsung's TouchWiz preventing Galaxy S owners from getting Android 4.0 ICS - Page 4

Nah, Siri is not bad for Beta. They just need to keep improving it, and once the API is opened up to all developers, gimmick it is no more. It will be as essential as a microphone, camera, speaker, or even touch interface. Siri is the new multi-touch.


Well, Lion 10.7.0 was a bit iffy. 10.7.2 is smooth, VMWare Fusion 4.1.x is superb. For my 5400rpm drive, it's really not bad. When I get my MBA 13" Ivy Bridge with 320GB SSD... Oh boy. However, iPad 3 is more critical at this stage. Probably one of the "last" great projects Steve was closely involved in.


In Perth now I see almost everyone with an iPhone, usually iPhone 4 at least. Vodafone is flogging the Samsung Galaxy SII but I think for WA Telstra NextG (ie. 850mhz or whatever) on Telstra dongles, MiFi and iPhone 3GS+ is the only decent 3G coverage here. In Perth CBD on iPhone 4S one night I was doing 8mbit/sec down. Here in the outer suburbs only the regular 1-2mbit/sec though.

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1. iPads are cleared to be used as integral and key flight instruments for the pilots. Android tablets are cleared to show the passengers movies...hmmmm...
2. The 3GS is 3 years old, and you are comparing it to phones released this year, i.e. a phone that has already received over 3 years of completely up to date OS support compared to phones that will never receive official OS updates.
3. I actually agree with you, I never experienced this under my Android years, and don't know anyone who did.
4. Ok, but it seems they have a very long way to go yet.
5. Another "me too" achievement for Android vs iOS
6. I don't understand this anyway. What does the physical ROM size have to do with anything? Am I missing something? It seems like a measured corporate excuse to me, but you can clarify for me if I am way off base there.
7. In my app store region (Sweden) there are two such apps in the top 12, Dragon Vale and Smurf's Village. I just checked, and both these are on Android's top ten list as well (Dragon Vale is called "Defender"). The number one spot goes to a national newspaper, and Numbers, Pages, Keynote, and Garageband all are in the top 12. FIFA Football (Soccer) 2012 and a $60 dollar marine navigation app (read sea charts) are there as well. The other four are pay games ranging from $0.99 to $4.99. I can't speak for other app store regions, but it really does put a negative light on your assumptions about where money is being spent in the Apple iOS app store. It says a lot about the platform when productivity apps make up half of the top ten grossing apps.

Here's a good unbiased analysis of this "freemium" app model...apparently these sorts of apps generate a higher percent of the The Android Marketplace's revenue than Apple's App Store. But I don't think that supports your argument, so you should probably ignore this link:

http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/...re.asp?c=36376

A lot of people are missing the point.

Yeah running iOS 5 on the 3S doesn't give you all the features of a 4S but it does put your phone in the same pool of APIs for developers and reduces fragmentation of the platform.

If your developing for Android what can you count on? You can count on developing for 10 different versions of Android, instead of 1 or 2 on iOS.

Developers and retailers should also take note that iOS users make up 92% of all online moblie purchases. I don't mean just Apps, I mean buying things online with their phone. iOS users spend money. Android users buy "free" or "cheap" phones and then are unwilling or unable to spend money with or on it.

Most Android users in truth are just using them as FEATURE PHONES on PRE-PAID. IF you travel outside of the US and Western Europe it's obvious as day.

I didn't make that point very clearly. I was just amused that some of the critics who insist that Siri is worthless are the same ones arguing that iOS5 is incomplete/crippled without it. Personally I think Siri is very impressive, and a bold and major step forwards in device UI.

I'm sorry but that is such crap. It's kind of like the "Macs are more expensive than PCs" line that everyone here will be happy to dispute.

The problem is that there are 2 different types of people with Android powered phones. There's the people who intentionally buy an Android phone and those that buy a phone that happens to be Android powered. That first category is no different than the people that buy iPhones. They're not getting the bottom of the heap, B1G1 free phones.

And we have the trolls show up who just don't get it. Techtards be damned - the overwhelming majority of consumers do not want to, know how to, or are to complacent to try to root their devices. They should just work, and be updated seamlessly, but are getting screwed by these companies selling them crap. Obsolete the day they walk out of the store.

[insult removed]. It is not "watered down". It is simply lacking Siri because apple has determined that performance would be impacted to an unacceptable level. Something they are not willing to do, unlike the other idiots out their selling phones and "tablets". They are perfectly willing to put out an inferior user experience and screw their customers in the process. This is why Apple has the highest user satisfaction levels of any other provider by far. [insult removed]

You have no clue what you are talking about. Everything works on the 3gs except Siri what was determined to need more horsepower to run than the 3gs can handle. Apple will not do something to give an inferior customer experience, unlike the other clowns in the business.

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit....

My mother has Huawei U8650 and so far she hasn't seen a single Android update on her carrier. Not that this comes as a surprise really.

Samsung's TouchWiz preventing Galaxy S owners from getting Android 4.0 ICS

Is it just me, or does the name TouchWiz conjure up an odd mental picture....

Yup...
Keep trying to sell that feature to the 99% of consumers who think regular computers are too complicated let alone
Wild West, ROM flashing life wasting android shenanigans.
Dream on.

Nothing odder than HP's WipePoop UI.

Ha ha okay, I totally missed your sarcasm in the post.


Yesterday at a Christmas party I had a "business analyst" brag about his work with "solutions architects" and "enterprise deployment" and how everything in the "enterprise" is Java blah blah blah... At this stage I'm really disliking this guy, something's not adding up with his attitude.

Then bingo... He told me it's now down between .Net and Java but a significant amount of "enterprise" is doing Java because Java is cross-platform, and even runs on iPad, iPhone and mobile phones [presumably including Android].

Later on the pieces fell into place when he was talking about how he wanted to get a Samsung Galaxy SII and Galaxy Tab, with another guy bragging about how he got his Samsung tablet "before anyone in Australia", and how he had to order a USB charger for it from Korea and wait 2 weeks for it. At this point I honestly thought, "My gawd, these guys are losers", and it made me ashamed to be of Asian heritage (they were high-skilled, highly-educated Asian immigrants).

Flame and flay me to death, but it's the mentality of the following that irked me, not so much Android.

1. Getting a Samsung tablet "before anyone else" ~ I suppose this is similar to Apple lust, but it seems bizarre because that's like wanting to be the first to get a rock when everyone else has crystals.

2. "Enterprise" is... blah blah blah. The impression that "Enterprise" is better than anyone else. Never impressed me. This piece of work also blurted out, since I helped his mum, which is actually how I know them, with her iTunes and laptop, "Oh good, you can do Level 1 Support and I'll do Level 2 Support".

3. Java is cross-platform and runs on everything including phones and tablets and iPad. What do you say to this. And this guy is a "business analyst" for one of the largest government utilities in the state!

I could go on, but at this stage either you're going to generally agree with me or think I'm a too-sensitive Apple kool-aid elitist b*stard.


Tee hee hee and I thought *I* was being immature... TouchWiz... Hey, don't touch it while you're having a whiz or you'll get ice cream sandwhich all over it!

How many actual Androids users are going to do any of the things mentioned by the original post? So yeah, in the larger picture most users don't care.

Some of you guys are so blind by your love of the fruit. Take your qoute and ask youself the same thing about the Samsung. When someone purchased the Galaxy last year were they told it would get ICS? NO! But here you are turning the table and screaming about how bad Android and Samsung are. I believe Samsung simply has the BALLS to do what every other manufacture would like to do. I firmly believe Apple would have liked to NOT update the 3Gs VS putting the money and resources into it running iOS5. One thing some of you guys have got to remember is that Apple, Samsung, Google etc are out to make money. They have got to satisfy the Board, Stockholders, etc. They don't give a rats ass about us, and if they ever show that they do it's simply a marketing ploy.

No, I am not an Android Fanboy. I simply refuse to be blinded by my appreciation for Apple products.

You are talking about company that just axed FCS suite in favour of FCPX. If there is a company with balls on this planet then it's Apple.

Apple knows very well that no one is interested in a device that has no future support. What samsung does is very simple, they make sh*tload of devices and sell them and they couldn't care less about supporting them. This just proves the point. It also shows that when OS comes from one company and hardware comes from the other you get one big mess.

You will find the same with a lot of smartphones (Apple included). But not sure of your point, you have to count the phone as it was sold, it was sold as a smartphone, so get's counted as a smartphone.

Because by the same logic, a lot of laptops never move from the place they sit, so why should they be classed as a portable device?

I just read the Distimo report. iPad apps alone, ie. NOT including iPhone and iPod touch apps... generate higher revenue *than all of Android Marketplace*.

2012 is like that sync icon you see. Some things will rotate one way, while the other, the other way. Android will gain in popularity but probably through the mid to low-end, with iPhone 4S, 5 and iPad 2/3 staking out the mid to high-end. App revenues seem to be 50% from in-app "freemium" purchases in both Android and iOS app stores. However, Android will have a much larger number of free apps, but revenue will still be dwarfed by iOS. Look out for the Siri API for iPhone 4S, iPad 3(2?) and maybe the next iPod touch. This will trigger the next "gold rush" in apps becoming Siri-enabled. I don't forsee Apple taking a cut for Siri services, just like they don't for push notifications. Even free apps will have equal access to Siri, because I think what Apple wants to do now is start filling Siri with as much data as possible, and getting Mandarin and Cantonese as the next major language supported. I think by the end of 2012 Siri will become the planet's most advanced voice recognition system measured by data acquired. Of course, you still have Dragon Dictate and all that but again, remember the data Siri is capturing is not just words but *context*. Apple is gaining a huge amount of data on how people like to talk on their phones. I'm sure the "failed" queries are piling up too, indicating how people would like to interact with Siri, in ways that they can't right now.

Yes, Apple is always 3 steps ahead of the 'competition'.

I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.

What about the claims that all the new versions of Android are meaningless because anyone with 2.2 can have any of the apps written for any later versions?

Someone on here was claiming that. Known troll, obviously, but I can't remember who it was.

Knowing why they update is irrelevant really isn't it?

I mean, for every user of iOS that updates without knowing, there are 100,000s of Android users who don't know what a Custom ROM or rooting is. So you any point made is kind of side-stepping the issue that nearly all users of Samsung android devices WILL NOT get ICS.

No, Samsung's bloatware crap that they load on top of their phones (Touchwiz) mean that there isn't enough resources leftover for the devices to run ICS. Marketing has nothing to do with it.

Do you not realise the part where SYSTEM-WIDE voice recognition comes with a SIGNIFICANT overhead?

1. I'm sure he meant the FAA (for the Flight manuals etc., no Android there).
2. Apple ONLY guarantee OS updates for 2-years AFTER the ORIGINAL release date. Most Android manufacturers can't get devices up-to-date as of six months PRIOR to the release of their devices.
3. Just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they don't exist (the malware authors have made enough money off them to suggest the do in fact exist.) A rather moot point.
4. Big deal! Microsoft had been doing the exact same thing since Windows 95 was released and look how that panned out up until Vista/Windows 7 (although there are still serious issues with the networking stack since MS saw in their wisdom to rewrite something proven, from scratch).
5. Exchange configuration/encryption support still isn't great (non-existent?) on Android, precluding it from use in most enterprises with an ounce of knowledge on these things.
6. So what, Samsung isn't prepared to ship builds of Android to phones without TouchWiz, so only the odd geek will get ICS. Another moot point on your part!
7. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Regardless of WHAT type of purchase app/in-app/subscription, owners of iOS ARE spending the lion's share of the money to be had in the mobile software area. No amount of your pointless spin and rhetoric can change that.

Stick to the road of facts, instead of spending your time trying to drag everyone off the path into your swamp of bullshti!

F**k their customers? Great business model.


Apple may not have liked to update the 3GS, but they have made plenty of noise that they would provide upgrades to a device for 2-years after the original release date. This alone leads to a much better experience and a less bitter taste in the mouth when that 2-year mark arrives. Unlike the crap shoot of maybe/maybe not getting upgrades to newest or even 6-month old version of the OS.

Or are you blinded by your desire to not be blinded by your appreciation for Apple products, that you'll conveniently ignore/forget FACTS which go against your opinion?

Yes, anyone who can follow basic instructions. Are you saying that iOS is superior because it's for people who can't follow simple instructions?

I'm guessing the community built version of Android 4.0 is conveniently missing all of those awful (misrepresented) apps. Like I said installing a ROM is trivial and can be done by generally anyone who can follow basic instructions. I'd wager a 5th grader could do it.

I'll bet you $10,000 that your made up statistic is wrong.

Samsung is really only saying they won't remove their inefficient skin. Someone else (independent developer) has already stepped in and taken care of that problem.

I think this situation is simply a lose-lose for Android trolls.

Either he's right and 99% of people couldn't care less about rooting, ruining that argument, or a percentage less than 99 doesn't care about rooting, artificially limiting the number of devices that have actually been sold.

XDA Developers, Cyanogenmod to name a couple. The community of iOS "fans" are stuck with their Siri-less, battery drained iOS 5 devices with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET. So you like bending over for Apple eh?

It's a lose-lose for people who make up statistics like "99% of android users are stupid and don't know anything about third party ROMs", etc, etc.

You're stepping into troll territory here. How's about not doing that?


It's entirely possible to get Siri on the iPhone 4 or iPads if people so wish.


Hardly the case for everyone.


Other than, you know, going back to iOS 4 if they're so inclined and they believe the battery life is bad enough to warrant such frivolity.


So you like shilling for Android, eh?

Obviously you've never heard of the jailbreak COMMUNITY.

Although the experience is somewhat crapper than the original iOS device because of the hacking.

The difference is that Android users do have a solution, if they just look for it. Apple users must kneel to Apple's will. For instance, if you upgrade your iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0.1 and find that it now eats battery, you're screwed. End of story.

I've heard of it. My 4S battery life is awful compared to my 4 on 4.3.5. What is jailbreaking going to get me? A phone I can barely use if I'm not near a computer to re-root it that still has bad battery life. Awful. It makes me miss Android a bit.

Versus having a phone which can never have battery life even close to that of an iOS device. Big deal!

You can lambaste and call me a troll all you want, but I am just an Apple user that plays devil's advocate. I own 2 macbooks and an iphone.