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Why is anybody who counters a point that you provide on this forum a 'fanboy/phanboi/phatboi'?

Anyone who disagrees with me is not a fanboi. Anyone who believes something about an Apple competitor, that has no supporting evidence aside from circumstantial, that was never mentioned by Apple itself and despite facts pointing counter to their feelings is labeled a fanboy.

It's not even a matter of opinion. No solid facts support the Eric Schmidt mole "theory"
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This brings up a very good point that has been mentioned on this forum before.

When you see a person on the street using a smartphone, it's generally an iPhone.

This is true of tablets - 9 out of 10 tablets in the wild are iPads (used to be 10 out of 10, but Kindle Fires are coming out of the woodwork). But it has never been true of smartphones. Lots of BBs, Androids and iPhones everywhere I turn. Interestingly, I see many more units of iPhone 4 and 4S than 3GS.
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This brings up a very good point that has been mentioned on this forum before.

When you see a person on the street using a smartphone, it's generally an iPhone.

Where are the 700,000 Android devices per day that are being sold?

It makes you curious.


88% of Android activation growth is outside the US.

20% of Android activation's growth came from the US at peak but has declined to 12%.

The curious case of slowing US growth for Android
http://www.asymco.com/2011/12/30/the...h-for-android/

I've said this until I'm blue in the face, a vast number of these Android activations are coming from 2nd and 3rd world nations. Many of these Android phones being activated are on the low end and in many case being activated with pre-paid accounts (no credit card). Pre-paid is how most of the world uses phones.

This explains why Android users on average are easily outspent by iPhone users when shopping online, wether it be for Apps or general goods.

Android activations do NOT equal iPhone activations. Android phones overseas are the new feature phones.

Developers take note.
post #44 of 222
At the risk of repeating myself, the iOS/Android debate has evolved and, IMO, over. iOS is a single OS. If one wants to be really fine, then you are say it is a single OS platform serving 3 product lines.

Android has evolved to become like Unix and Linux. Long ago (or so it seems), some folks argued vociferously the relative merits of Unix and Windows NT. But it was moot because the competition was really between SGI and NT-based workstations, or Solaris v. NT-servers. Likewise, there are so many implementations of Linux that one cannot simply discuss Linux v. Windows.

Gruber wrote: "Android is not a single platform. It’s a common foundation upon which platforms can be built." How true! In a shorter time than Unix or Linux, Android has multiplied into so many implementations that depicting it as a single OS makes no sense. Google itself presides over 2305 official versions of Android currently found on various phones. But there have also been multiple forks implemented by non-members of the HA, some of which are growing rapidly, viz. Nook and Kindle. So what meaningful, objective, quantifiable metric can we possibly use to compare iOS v. Android anymore?

Similarly, it's also ridiculous to liken Android to Windows.

A major difference between Android and Linux is that Google has found a clever way to monetize Android. Sure, it's a page off the search playbook. But it's nonetheless the first time any company has successfully monetized an OS this way. At the same time, Android's uncontrolled growth and multiplication is a problem for Google and 3rd party developers; but that's a different discussion.

This Android evolution has diverted it from iOS so much that I just fail to see any continued logic in comparing the two. It remains interesting and relevant to follow the competition between Samsung and Apple, and perhaps Kindle v. iPad, but not Android v. iPhone. For those who uniformly diss Android phones, your sentiment simply makes you uninformed because not all Androids are alike. The Galaxy Nexus demonstrates that oh so clearly. But you'd know that if you had used a Samsung Galaxy 2 and any Motorola Droids for a meaningful period of time, for example. If you haven't, your opinion is simply baseless.

Intelligent people should follow suit and evolve accordingly in their arguments, IMO. So, enough already unless you want to be known for baseless, outdated arguments.
post #45 of 222
You believe wrong. It doesn't even make sense to make a general comparison. But you're clearly not an engineer and so, I forgive you.

He doesn't 'believe wrong' and I agree with him. Engineers suck at providing general, user-friendly products/services. Go read your TV/VCR instruction manual for proof.

What, pray tell, does that mean - making simple products but implementing it in a massive way?

This answer, in itself, illustrates the very difference between iOS and Android users.

You're regurgitating standard anti-Android, anti-Google rhetoric and anecdotes without understanding or applying context.

He's regurgitating some very valid points which you haven't addressed in your retort.

This means you suck at searching, and implies nothing about the Google search algorithm.

Are you saying that Google has failed in their aim as a search engine? Wasn't their goal to provide information to the masses?

I'm afraid you don't get it. These direct iOS/Android comparisons are outdated. First of all, Google does not make most of the Android phones. Second, Android has evolved into something that can no longer be regarded as a single OS, or even a single smartphone platform. Gruber put it best: "Android is not a single platform. Its a common foundation upon which platforms can be built."

You are correct.

It is no longer a single OS or platform.

However, I can say that it is a single, coherent mess. Gruber (check your spelling) was correct: "Android is not a single platform. Its a common foundation upon which platforms can be built but this isn't happening.

Ironically, the biggest threat to Android right now is the Amazon Kindle, yet most Android fans are so uninformed that they spend most of their time on their opposition forums arguing a platform which is cannibalising itself.

You never answered my query about why so many Android fans are hanging out on an Apple forum. We sure aren't interested in hanging out on your forums.

Why the interest?
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post #46 of 222
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You believe wrong. It doesn't even make sense to make a general comparison. But you're clearly not an engineer and so, I forgive you.

He doesn't 'believe wrong' and I agree with him. Engineers suck at providing general, user-friendly products/services. Go read your TV/VCR instruction manual for proof.

Dude, you are mixing up two separate points. Get some coffee first. It's early.
post #47 of 222
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You never answered my query about why so many Android fans are hanging out on an Apple forum. We sure aren't interested in hanging out on your forums.

Why the interest?

First of all, I'm not an Android fan. I use both iOS and Android, and develop on both. Second, go to Android fora and you'll see lots of comments from Apple fans, including more than a few from here who don't even bother changing their IDs.

The consumer in me is happy for the availability of choice, and want to see both Android and iOS continue to thrive, not to mention other OSes and platforms. The engineer in me sees pros and cons of Android and iOS (if you really want to compare) and am amazed by the generic, general categorization of either.
post #48 of 222
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Ironically, the biggest threat to Android right now is the Amazon Kindle,

Sounds just like what people used to say about Android being a threat to iPhone. Flawed observation for multiple reasons - you're comparing apples to oranges. Second, the market allows for co-existence of multiple platforms, not to mention continued growth for them, as we are witnessing right now. Third, consumers should always be glad for choice. Stop using a B/W filter to watch a rainbow and then you'll start to get it.
post #49 of 222
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However, I can say that it is a single, coherent mess. Gruber (check your spelling) was correct: "Android is not a single platform. It’s a common foundation upon which platforms can be built but this isn't happening.

Check the spelling of what? "Gruber"? One of us needs more coffee and, based on your track record, it's likely you.
post #50 of 222
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

This is an inaccurate, unfounded and uninformed accusation. "Authorized reseller" is a general term that includes many disparate companies and stores. You simply cannot lump them all together and fire a single accusation to castigate them all. Shame on you.

Why is this inaccurate, unfounded and uninformed?

Provide proof of your statements.
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post #51 of 222
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Anyone who disagrees with me is not a fanboi. Anyone who believes something about an Apple competitor, that has no supporting evidence aside from circumstantial, that was never mentioned by Apple itself and despite facts pointing counter to their feelings is labeled a fanboy.

It's not even a matter of opinion. No solid facts support the Eric Schmidt mole "theory"

Then why do you call them fanboy/phanboi/phatbois?
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post #52 of 222
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This is true of tablets - 9 out of 10 tablets in the wild are iPads (used to be 10 out of 10, but Kindle Fires are coming out of the woodwork). But it has never been true of smartphones. Lots of BBs, Androids and iPhones everywhere I turn. Interestingly, I see many more units of iPhone 4 and 4S than 3GS.

Good to see you admit that 9 out of 10 tablets are iPads.
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post #53 of 222
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88% of Android activation growth is outside the US.

20% of Android activation's growth came from the US at peak but has declined to 12%.

The curious case of slowing US growth for Android
http://www.asymco.com/2011/12/30/the...h-for-android/

I've said this until I'm blue in the face, a vast number of these Android activations are coming from 2nd and 3rd world nations. Many of these Android phones being activated are on the low end and in many case being activated with pre-paid accounts (no credit card). Pre-paid is how most of the world uses phones.

This explains why Android users on average are easily outspent by iPhone users when shopping online, wether it be for Apps or general goods.

Android activations do NOT equal iPhone activations. Android phones overseas are the new feature phones.

Developers take note.

I'm outside the U.S.

Where the hell are all these activations that are occurring?

I don't see them on the street.
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post #54 of 222
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

Dude, you are mixing up two separate points. Get some coffee first. It's early.

Why I am suffering from 'coffee deficiency'? (that's a new one for me)

Provide examples!
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post #55 of 222
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Why I am suffering from 'coffee deficiency'? (that's a new one for me)

Provide examples!


Proofread your own mess. It's multiplying faster than Android activations.
post #56 of 222
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

This is an inaccurate, unfounded and uninformed accusation. "Authorized reseller" is a general term that includes many disparate companies and stores. You simply cannot lump them all together and fire a single accusation to castigate them all. Shame on you.

Then allow me to refine it by saying the manager of the 'authorized retailer' stores she worked for encouraged these behaviors and activities, and when it was mentioned to their higher ups, blind eyes were turned.

Of course all authorized retailers businesses are operated differently, and these things might be confined to only one instance, but if it's happening at one retailer, it's possible that it is happening at other retailers.
post #57 of 222
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Originally Posted by GTR View Post

You believe wrong. It doesn't even make sense to make a general comparison. But you're clearly not an engineer and so, I forgive you.

He doesn't 'believe wrong' and I agree with him. Engineers suck at providing general, user-friendly products/services. Go read your TV/VCR instruction manual for proof.

What, pray tell, does that mean - making simple products but implementing it in a massive way?

This answer, in itself, illustrates the very difference between iOS and Android users.

You're regurgitating standard anti-Android, anti-Google rhetoric and anecdotes without understanding or applying context.

He's regurgitating some very valid points which you haven't addressed in your retort.

This means you suck at searching, and implies nothing about the Google search algorithm.

Are you saying that Google has failed in their aim as a search engine? Wasn't their goal to provide information to the masses?

I'm afraid you don't get it. These direct iOS/Android comparisons are outdated. First of all, Google does not make most of the Android phones. Second, Android has evolved into something that can no longer be regarded as a single OS, or even a single smartphone platform. Gruber put it best: "Android is not a single platform. It’s a common foundation upon which platforms can be built."

You are correct.

It is no longer a single OS or platform.

However, I can say that it is a single, coherent mess. Gruber (check your spelling) was correct: "Android is not a single platform. It’s a common foundation upon which platforms can be built but this isn't happening.

Ironically, the biggest threat to Android right now is the Amazon Kindle, yet most Android fans are so uninformed that they spend most of their time on their opposition forums arguing a platform which is cannibalising itself.

You never answered my query about why so many Android fans are hanging out on an Apple forum. We sure aren't interested in hanging out on your forums.

Why the interest?

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Dude, you are mixing up two separate points. Get some coffee first. It's early.

Do you mind not calling me a dude?

It's very sexist.
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post #58 of 222
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This is an inaccurate, unfounded and uninformed accusation. "Authorized reseller" is a general term that includes many disparate companies and stores. You simply cannot lump them all together and fire a single accusation to castigate them all. Shame on you.

Why is it inaccurate, unfounded, and uninformed?
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post #59 of 222
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Proofread your own mess. It's multiplying faster than Android activations.

You're disputing my points.
Don't be lazy.
Kick my ass.
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post #60 of 222
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I'm outside the U.S.

Where the hell are all these activations that are occurring?

I don't see them on the street.

Sir,

do you live in the UK or germany?

android growth is taking place in poorer countries.
iphone has no chance in these countries..

for those who are saying that apple covers all price points, one word:
-stupids.
sorry, it had to be said.

here the 3GS costs almost 400€.

the average working person earns 450 per month. would you buy it?

there's thousands of smartphones cheaper than that, especially droids.

contracts? in countries like these, only if you are crazy.

happy new year.
post #61 of 222
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Proofread your own mess. It's multiplying faster than Android activations.

What an utter avoidance of an answer.

You make points. You prove these points. it ain't algebra.

Can you, or can't you, do what you posted?
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

Sir,

do you live in the UK or germany?

android growth is taking place in poorer countries.
iphone has no chance in these countries..

for those who are saying that apple covers all price points, one word:
-stupids.
sorry, it had to be said.

here the 3GS costs almost 400.

the average working person earns 450 per month. would you buy it?

there's thousands of smartphones cheaper than that, especially droids.

contracts? in countries like these, only if you are crazy.

happy new year.

So Android is for cheapskates or those with limited financial means, is this correct?
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I don't think so, but I'll check.

Yup, you're right. Last time I checked, shortly after the 4S came out, it wasn't there.

The iPhone 4 was there before the 4S came out. At least it was there in the hours leading up the release of the 4S. I was waiting to order from Sprint and was thinking that there was going to be a mistaken rush on the iPhone 4.
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I didn't expect this amount of cat fights and mudslinging in our forum. Let's clean things up a bit, all. I'm not trying to hammer you all, but let's put a bit of respect in when we address each other's points. Let's keep our forum an intelligent, respectful place of discussion.
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post #65 of 222
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Dude, you are mixing up two separate points. Get some coffee first. It's early.

You define yourself with your choice of words...

Even my pre-teen grandson outgrew calling people "Dude" when he entered fourth grade...
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Why did it take Google 2+ years after Schmidt being on the board to "copy" the iPhone if Schmidt had insider knowledge for a year pre-iPhone?

Re: Eric Schmidt at Apple

How much access do the Board of Directors have to Apple Engineering? I'm sure the Board knew Apple was working on an amazing new product... but I doubt they got to see technical drawings, engineering plans, etc. They probably didn't even know it was a phone. Boards handle broad policies and objectives... not product development.

The iPhone project in 2006-2007 was probably the most highly guarded secret inside the walls at Cupertino.

I bet Schmidt saw the iPhone at the very same time the rest of us did... at the keynote.

Meanwhile... Google continued working on Android... and this was the Android Beta --> Link

Remember... that was 10 months after Apple unveiled the iPhone. If Google had insider knowledge of the iPhone and/or Apple's new OS... they wouldn't have bothered with that crappy Android Beta. But they did... because it's all they had.

I doubt Schmidt/Google had any solid information about what Apple was working on... I think that Beta pretty much proves that.

The "copying" happened after the iPhone came out

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Probably because they didn't work on it with their heart, without wanting to create a wonderful product. They had to reverse engineer the iPhone, and that will take longer than creating a product from scratch, I believe.

And the technology Apple used in making the iPhone comes from so many years of experience something that Google totally lacks. They make very simple products but implement it in a massive way. Hats off for that, but they don't focus. Even Steve told them to get rid of all the crap products they have and focus on a few one that are worthwhile, they still haven't taken that advise. Ok, that advise was from this year, so who knows how long it takes for them to truly understand what Steve meant.

At any rate, I think their products totally suck. And totally lack taste, similar to Microsoft. Even their search engine; if I tell it to give me results with publications from last month, it comes back with 2 year old articles, for whatever reason. Perhaps jragosta can give me lessons on how to search properly.

Right on, PhilBoogie.

Apple had obviously been working on the iPhone and its OS for years before we got a chance to see it. And we know Apple likes to make a good impression.

We'll probably never know what Android looked like in 2005 when Google bought it. But my gut feeling is... it wasn't pretty or amazing. And let's remember what smartphones looked like from 2005-2007... Android was most likely gearing up as a competitor to the Palm Treos, Blackberries and Windows Mobile phones of the day. (again... we'll never know for sure)

Apple was developing the iPhone around the same time as Google was developing Android... but Apple completely threw out the smartphone playbook and started from scratch. I doubt Google was thinking that far ahead at that time.

Apple had an interesting advantage because they were designing the software and hardware at the same time... something Google was simply unable to do. Google was making software for other companies' hardware... and hardware doesn't evolve very fast.

Google has some very talented engineers, and they are very good at technology.

The same is true for Apple... but Apple is also very good at design, implementation... and vision.
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So Android is for cheapskates or those with limited financial means, is this correct?

obviously.

of course there's exceptions, like that tiny percentage that really wants a big screen or the anti-apple. but only a fool can't see that more than 80% (much more) androids sold are cheaper than the current 3GS price.

like i said, i can't afford an iphone.
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Re: Eric Schmidt at Apple

How much access do the Board of Directors have to Apple Engineering? I'm sure the Board knew Apple was working on an amazing new product... but I doubt they got to see technical drawings, engineering plans, etc. They probably didn't even know it was a phone. Boards handle broad policies and objectives... not product development.

The iPhone project in 2006-2007 was probably the most highly guarded secret inside the walls at Cupertino.

I bet Schmidt saw the iPhone at the very same time the rest of us did... at the keynote.

Meanwhile... Google continued working on Android... and this was the Android Beta --> Link

Remember... that was 10 months after Apple unveiled the iPhone. If Google had insider knowledge of the iPhone and/or Apple's new OS... they wouldn't have bothered with that crappy Android Beta. But they did... because it's all they had.

I doubt Schmidt/Google had any solid information about what Apple was working on... I think that Beta pretty much proves that.

The "copying" happened after the iPhone came out



Right on, PhilBoogie.

Apple had obviously been working on the iPhone and its OS for years before we got a chance to see it. And we know Apple likes to make a good impression.

We'll probably never know what Android looked like in 2005 when Google bought it. But my gut feeling is... it wasn't pretty or amazing. And let's remember what smartphones looked like from 2005-2007... Android was most likely gearing up as a competitor to the Palm Treos, Blackberries and Windows Mobile phones of the day. (again... we'll never know for sure)

Apple was developing the iPhone around the same time as Google was developing Android... but Apple completely threw out the smartphone playbook and started from scratch. I doubt Google was thinking that far ahead at that time.

Apple had an interesting advantage because they were designing the software and hardware at the same time... something Google was simply unable to do. Google was making software for other companies' hardware... and hardware doesn't evolve very fast.

Google has some very talented engineers, and they are very good at technology.

The same is true for Apple... but Apple is also very good at design, implementation... and vision.

That's a well-presented and well-reasoned post!
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... This means you suck at searching, and implies nothing about the Google search algorithm. ...

It's not really such a great search engine if you have to be an expert on it to get decent results out of it, is it?

The quality of search results from Google has sucked for years now, as they continue to shift the focus of their search algorithms from providing good results to generating revenue, expect this to just get worse.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Anyone who disagrees with me is not a fanboi. Anyone who believes something about an Apple competitor, that has no supporting evidence aside from circumstantial, that was never mentioned by Apple itself and despite facts pointing counter to their feelings is labeled a fanboy.

It's not even a matter of opinion. No solid facts support the Eric Schmidt mole "theory"

As I mentioned before, provide statements that prove me wrong.

I remember reading an article from Schidmidt himself saying that the only reason that Google existed was because Google was uncomfortable with the idea of one man having so much power over the mobile phone industry, hence creating competition with Google.

Can you imagine what would have happened if they had have supported Apple instead of deciding to compete against them?

That combo would have been invincible!
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Re: Eric Schmidt at Apple

How much access do the Board of Directors have to Apple Engineering? I'm sure the Board knew Apple was working on an amazing new product... but I doubt they got to see technical drawings, engineering plans, etc. They probably didn't even know it was a phone. Boards handle broad policies and objectives... not product development.

The iPhone project in 2006-2007 was probably the most highly guarded secret inside the walls at Cupertino.

I bet Schmidt saw the iPhone at the very same time the rest of us did... at the keynote.

Meanwhile... Google continued working on Android... and this was the Android Beta --> Link

Remember... that was 10 months after Apple unveiled the iPhone. If Google had insider knowledge of the iPhone and/or Apple's new OS... they wouldn't have bothered with that crappy Android Beta. But they did... because it's all they had.

I doubt Schmidt/Google had any solid information about what Apple was working on... I think that Beta pretty much proves that.

The "copying" happened after the iPhone came out



Right on, PhilBoogie.

Apple had obviously been working on the iPhone and its OS for years before we got a chance to see it. And we know Apple likes to make a good impression.

We'll probably never know what Android looked like in 2005 when Google bought it. But my gut feeling is... it wasn't pretty or amazing. And let's remember what smartphones looked like from 2005-2007... Android was most likely gearing up as a competitor to the Palm Treos, Blackberries and Windows Mobile phones of the day. (again... we'll never know for sure)

Apple was developing the iPhone around the same time as Google was developing Android... but Apple completely threw out the smartphone playbook and started from scratch. I doubt Google was thinking that far ahead at that time.

Apple had an interesting advantage because they were designing the software and hardware at the same time... something Google was simply unable to do. Google was making software for other companies' hardware... and hardware doesn't evolve very fast.

Google has some very talented engineers, and they are very good at technology.

The same is true for Apple... but Apple is also very good at design, implementation... and vision.

Good post.
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As I mentioned before, provide statements that prove me wrong.

I remember reading an article from Schidmidt himself saying that the only reason that Google existed was because Google was uncomfortable with the idea of one man having so much power over the mobile phone industry, hence creating competition with Google.

Can you imagine what would have happened if they had have supported Apple instead of deciding to compete against them?

That combo would have been invincible!

They could've been kicked out of the mobile world at the stroke of a pen.

Read Michael Scrip's post for other details as to why the Schmidt/mole conspiracy holds no water.

Also I'm not required to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you.

Evidence isn't in the "super mole Schmidt" camp's favor though.
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Good post.

Here's another one:

Prove.
Me.
Wrong.

If you lose, piss off to a website that discusses products and services that you enjoy.

I'd hate for you to spend so much of the rest of your life posting about stuff which you believe is inferior.
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They could've been kicked out of the mobile world at the stroke of a pen.

Also I'm not required to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you.

Really?

You claim and we just accept. Is that how it works?

Provide proof that the burden of proof is on me.
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Happy New Year to everybody!!!

(even to all the Android fans on this Apple forum! May you find something worthy of contributing to rather than just posting on a competitor's website every year!)

Best wishes for all!!!
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They could've been kicked out of the mobile world at the stroke of a pen.

Read Michael Scrip's post for other details as to why the Schmidt/mole conspiracy holds no water.

Also I'm not required to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you.

Evidence isn't in the "super mole Schmidt" camp's favor though.

I'm sorry but I seriously doubt Apple would have cut Google out of the mobile advertising game "with the stroke of a pen" especially considering that Apple hasn't done it now (Google makes more revenue on ios products than Android). The only search/mobile ad competition Google had was MS and Apple would NEVER enter the kind of partnership it had with Google since the last time it did so MS burned them pretty dang bad. Instead of throwing huge sums of cash and development hours at Android, Google could have reaped ALL of the revenue benefits of being a partner instead of a competitor.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

AT&T now have decent Android-based phones so the excuse regarding only crappy Android phones are on AT&T can't be used. And we obviously can't use the mass exodus from AT&T once other US carriers get the iPhone excuse.

So what gives, Android fans? Are you finally willing to admit the iPhone is the most popular phone or are still holding out to find so quasi-statisitic that pegs iPhone iOS against all Android OS activations for a very specific timeframe?

Can't say if this is the same all over but the US companies I deal with in the Texas/Louisiana area (oil business) just do not regard Android as a reliable OS to base their corporate communications on. It's viewed as "amateur" "hobbyist".
Most were using BB before and were waiting to see what MS came up with but since it has failed to gain traction, are starting to use iPhone. The massive adoption of iPad makes this even more sensible.
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1. The quasi-statistic in this article does peg "iPhone iOS against all Android OS activations for a very specific timeframe." Why do you find it worth defending?
2. The real question is if Apple wouldn't have dicked around with AT&T for so long, would Verizon and the other networks in the US show similar statistics. Apple foolishly gave Android a strong foothold at Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile. That's where the Android activations are occurring - and that is what Apple should have stopped in 2008, before the platform took off.

I haven't looked lately, but ATT has traditionally not had very desirable Android phones. I'm frankly surprised by this rumor story - I thought ATT had some good Android phones by now.

I'm not saying the rumor is true or not.

But if it is true, it is a mere outlier for a short amount of time, and says nothing about the overall situation, which is (if I can believe what I read on AI) that Android phones are outselling iOS phones by a 3:1 margin. 75% Android, 25% iOS.

ATT may be losing lots and lots of potential Android sales if the rumored statistic is true. Are they losing customers overall? Or just the high-end Android customers?
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I'm sorry but I seriously doubt Apple would have cut Google out of the mobile advertising game "with the stroke of a pen" especially considering that Apple hasn't done it now (Google makes more revenue on ios products than Android). The only search/mobile ad competition Google had was MS and Apple would NEVER enter the kind of partnership it had with Google since the last time it did so MS burned them pretty dang bad. Instead of throwing huge sums of cash and development hours at Android, Google could have reaped ALL of the revenue benefits of being a partner instead of a competitor.

Could have. Not would have. It wouldn't have been smart to let mobile go.
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Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post

I'm sorry but I seriously doubt Apple would have cut Google out of the mobile advertising game "with the stroke of a pen" especially considering that Apple hasn't done it now (Google makes more revenue on ios products than Android). The only search/mobile ad competition Google had was MS and Apple would NEVER enter the kind of partnership it had with Google since the last time it did so MS burned them pretty dang bad. Instead of throwing huge sums of cash and development hours at Android, Google could have reaped ALL of the revenue benefits of being a partner instead of a competitor.

So they should've put all their eggs in one, however nice, basket?

I still don't see iOS and a Android as true competitors. The two main companies' entire business models are different.
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