Jailbreakers hack iOS on Apple TV to run full-screen iPad apps - Page 2

Don't bother. "ConradJoe" is a troll. He actually believes the exact opposite of what his comment says. A typical old, tired, troll tactic.

Indeed. Apple is not suppose to cover your device if you drop it and yet they replaced my ipad2 for free after my wife broke it. Attitude and maybe the fact I own lots of Apple hardware could play a role. BTW if they would not had replace it for free I would still had 50% off the regular price for a replacement unit. The bill showed the replacement unit at 300$ for a 32g ipad2.

Excellent post, but I disagree with the above.

If you are talking game apps or apps that need text input then maybe, but there are lots of apps they could use to improve the current Apple TV experience right now.

As a major user of AppleTV (It's the only thing I have connected to my TV at all), I can say that simply having a field of apps to click instead of the tedious "menu within menu" aspect of the current UI would be a huge improvement. It can take as many as twenty or thirty clicks to get from one part of the AppleTV UI to another sometimes (I've counted). It also contains links on the menus to scads of stuff that I have no interest in at all like MLB (ugh!) and a few others that you have to click by to get to something you do want to see.

If they simply changed the menus into a field of app buttons and let us delete the buttons/apps we don't want to see, it would improve things a lot and I would definitely pay for that upgrade.

You are still thinking of it in the current PS3/360 platform terms. By leveraging its iOS developers Apple TV/game won't compete directly with them. It won't need the big studios. Of course "hardcore" gamers and the media will dismiss it in some way.

if you go into System Preferences>Mission Control you can change this behavior, there is a checkbox to "show dashboard as its own desktop" just take the check out.

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1. Full TV set (LED or LCD?) or separate box, or both?
2. App store, gaming apps?
3. Built in IPTV support (U-verse)?
4. Built in broadcast QAM support (Cable/sat)?
6. ATSC tuner?
5. PvR on the device, on a net drive via wi-fi, in the cloud, on connected USB drive, or not at all?
6. Webcam?

Personally I think they will support IPTV since even cable is going to drop broadcast QAM for IPTV at some point. Those old QAM set-top box are still using MPEG-2 compression. I have IPTV which is using MP4 compression and image quality is spectacular. Also since its a stream there is plenty of bandwidth on the line to avoid pixel artifacts on action scenes.

Apple could own Google here if they start replacing the IPTV Motorola set-top box for Apple box or Apple TV sets. Cant wait to see what they will do.

Sounds like a good idea:

1. Same thing as now but with an A6 chip and the ability to plug an iTunes Library-formatted hard drive/NAS into it without frigging iTunes being open on a computer that is running.
2. No, more along the lines of my earlier idea, I think.
3. I don't think so.
4. I don't think so.
5. Yeah, hard drive capability as previously outlined.
6. It's a television box You really want to be videoconferencing in your Lay-z-boy with Cheetos dust all down your front and fingers?

It was people jail breaking the original iPhone so it could run home brew apps that convinced Apple to create the AppStore instead of the web apps that Apple originally tried to convince developers to create. Hopefully the ability to run iOS apps on the AppleTV will have a similar affect and convince Apple to create an official AppleTV AppStore.

No, it wasn't.

Disagree. Games are a great idea.

The big console developers would have no problems adding yet another SKU. Publishers like EA already release games on every gaming platform available.

Major titles from big publishers would help sell the AppleTV. Right now Apple is having a hard time convincing consumers why they need an AppleTV. But games are well understood. It is much easier to convince someone to buy an AppleTV if you can say it plays Call of Duty, GTA and Madden than by explaining AirPlay.

That would be a nice evolution of the actual ATV but I hope they do more than that and really enter the TV and set-top box market. On the other hand if they come up with a big thing and are in discussion with cable or AT&T they sure are doing everything to keep it super secret and avoid leaks to Google who now owns Motorola (which is making both QAM and IPTV box). I think I better shut-up about those features.

I fully expect Motorola to drop windows CE and come up with new firmware using an Android kernel and android apps. Google already has a foot inside the TV market with Motorola, its just a matter of time before they take it over. Google is in discussion with TV set manufacturers to build in Android in TV sets so Google will soon be a player in both the TV sets and set-top boxes. Apple need to move this year or lose it. In fact Apple should had move in 2011.

omg I just convince myself to buy some Google stocks. Even if Apple moves in, I think there is room for both. I hope Microsoft moves in also to keep that market segmented.

Apple couldn't care less about games. They never have.

How will it be controlled?

Buttons? Ha! No. That's 80s tech.

Your body? Microsoft has all the Kinect tech now.

A touchscreen controller? Nintendo has that stuff now, and even though they would be absolutely rolling in money if they were bought by Apple or if they licensed their franchises to iOS and OS X, Nintendo won't ever do that.

So what does that leave Apple? The only other revolutionary method is via your brain, but we're 20 years away from anything even remotely resembling usable tech in that field.

^^^this, just this, only this, absolutely this

Look at the mac app store, its full of iPad ports...
So we kind of already have iOS apps on the Mac and as a bonus you need to pay for them all over again if you want them.
I am currently playing Gameloft Greenfarm on my Mac I like it better on the Mac than on the iPad.

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Try having a sense of perspective. I think you've totally lost yours. All these comparisons, compared to software.

I think you are forgetting that for twelve months after the iPhone was released the only way to run native apps was to jailbreak the phone. Steve Jobs was initially in favor of web apps. It was jail breaking and home brew apps that really demonstrated the demand for native apps.


And because of this Apple is losing the battle for the living room. The AppleTV needs a system selling feature such as gaming or it will remain a hobby.

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indeed. 2012 is Apple last chance before Android take that market.

Google announced new android TV's for summer 2012.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/07/g...st-new-tvs-by/

Some countries already have them:
http://www.netup.tv/en-EN/android-integrated-tv-set.php

Not in the slightest. I think YOU'RE forgetting that during that time, the functionality required for secondary Home Screens to exist was already built into the OS. Apple had it planned from the beginning.


On stage.


Sure they did.


Just like the… I'm trying to think of a system in the "battle for the living room" that does both video content and gaming. And I can't. Because there isn't one.

You can't get games on your DVR and you can't view broadcast content on your Wii/PS3/360.

Webapps can be saved to the home screen as icons which launch as their own process separate from Safari. All that infrastructure for Webapps is built-in to iOS to this day (and woefully underused, IMO. Apple did an amazing job with it, and it's something Android still can't do to this day.) If you're arguing that additional home screens is somehow evidence that Apple wasn't committed to Webapps, you're wrong. Webapp developers can include directives in their app for custom homescreen icons, thus the need for multiple home screens. Go look into the documentation for creating Webapps in iOS. You might be amazed at how much cool stuff Apple has in place for it.

Since the ability to use different home screens was available before you could save web apps TO the Springboard, I do argue this.

Jailbreakers have a lot in common with some of those hackers from the 70's. I remember two of them were called Woz and Jobs. I heard their exploits eventually resulted in some pretty cool stuff.

For those confused about what jail breaking does, it just gives the owner of an iDevice the same control as Mac users have had on their Macs for the past 27 years. This ain't exactly Bonny and Clyde we're talking about.

[QUOTE=inkswamp;2017922]Webapps can be saved to the home screen as icons which launch as their own process separate from Safari. All that infrastructure for Webapps is built-in to iOS to this day (and woefully underused, IMO. Apple did an amazing job with it, and it's something Android still can't do to this day.) QUOTE]

Are you certain Android-compatible devices can't display an onscreen icon for webapps? If you add a GMail launch icon for instance, isn't it really just a launcher for a webapp? Or are you talking about something totally different?

EDIT: I'm not going to pretend to know much about developing for Android. FWIW there's several Google tutorials that have to do with adding web-apps to an Android-compatible device.
http://developer.android.com/guide/w...practices.html

It wasn't just on stage, even in private Steve Jobs was opposed to 3rd party native apps on the iPhone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...bs-apps-iphone


The Xbox360, PS3 and Wii all support video content and gaming. In fact the majority of Netflix streaming is viewed on games consoles. With the latest version of the 360 dashboard, MS is busy adding options for watching both live and on demand video content from providers like Comcast, Verizon, HBO, the BBC and more.

Although I know that gaming caught Apple off guard wrt advices, I disagree with that. Look at its demo for airplay mirroring (a game). There's also Game Center. If Apple didn't care then why bother with any of that? And btw, I think Apple's emphasis on better graphics for ipad2 was due to the casual gaming market.

Are you sure about that? I had the original iPhone from when it was released until this year and I don't remember a time when you couldn't save web apps and bookmarks to the home screen. I remember increased functionality for it (local storage, etc.) but I don't remember them not being available at all. In fact, I remember a section on Apple's website specifically for web apps.

They did at one point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzrme9yWens

The rise of gaming on iOS also brought back a lot of interest in Mac gaming as EA's presence in 2007 showed:

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftb-K.html

Then there was the Steam client for Mac in 2010.

And we have the cloud/streaming games, which are ideal for the TV as you only need a very small app and you can get the highest-end games without downloading.

As for the controls, it can be done fairly easily without buttons. I reckon it can be done with a 3-pad remote - the splits are largely technically superficial but are important:



It would have a gyroscope and accelerometer and the 3 pads would simply be areas to touch for control. So in an FPS game, you hold it horizontally and the left pad is directional, the right is your camera view. You can possibly tap on the back to fire so you can aim and shoot. The centre pad is for changing weapons by swiping left/right/up/down and for menus (two fingers).

An xbox 360 controller has 2 analog sticks, 2 analog buttons and 14 digital buttons. The 3-pad covers the analog sticks + 2 taps on the back (left/right or even the sides of the remote) + 1 tap on the right + 6 buttons in the middle + accelerometer/gyro for 2 analog buttons. So only say 5 digital buttons short but you can cover these functions easily e.g crouch is two finger swipe down on the right, prone is 3 finger swipe down, Flashlight is two-finger twist. Assuming the Wii-like movement too, you get all of the right pad free.

I really styled it like that as a way to input text easily but I'm not so sure it would be practical. Each pad would be mapped to a grid of 9 characters = 27 characters shown on screen and you simply swipe the direction for each letter and swipe the grid type for punctuation and numbers. Two finger swipe up for caps.

The biggest problem with it would be cost and making it immediately intuitive but the advantage with a blank slate is the user makes it as simple or as complex as it needs to be - like the Magic Mouse.


I'm not a huge fan of the menu UI but I think any UI will still require a lot of clicks with a basic remote depending on how they arrange the options. If each icon was a direct option, it would be much quicker but you'd need a way to arrange the icons easily. They could allow this to be done on a computer but it would be better done on the device.

I am. I have wretched memory overall, but I do remember that. If you like, I can reinstall iPhone OS 1.0 on my first-gen iPhone and make sure.


That's more Bungie caring.

And if Apple really cared, they would have FOUGHT to keep them away from Microsoft.

Can you imagine Halo having been exclusively on the Mac? But where are we now? There's not even a version of Halo 2 for the Mac that doesn't run outside of Cider.

And by "run" I mean to say that this is as far as I've gotten:

You are correct in that Apple added web clips 3 mod. after launch: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/13/2...ipad#section_1

I still think that with such a small window of time, Apple was already thinking ahead for that purpose AND native apps. BTW, I don't believe Apple created the app store due to jailbreakers. I think Apple had it in mind but was still ironing out the kinks on how to implement it well.

Of course I am. I'm not part of the click here so I will always be wrong and you will always be right.

BTW, if that a proper expression anymore, part of the click? We don't click anymore. We tap. So I"m not part of the tap. And I'll bet I'm not allowed to drink from the tap either.

As far as what I said about the Mac, it's so painfully obvious I won't waste my time debating it with you. If you don't see it or don't believe it, that's your right. I'll give you your opinion, even though you won't give me mine. Fair enough?

I'll really make your day and leave now. Happy New Year to you and all your rude friends in the tap.

Not the case in the slightest. Don't act like that. You happen to be completely wrong in this instance. It's laughable to think what you've said is the truth.


That's because it's 'clique'.


So you want to be a troll, then? You have zero proof for your outlandish claims, history shows the complete opposite of what you're saying, and future trends don't lead to what you're claiming.

Thanks for giving up, though, instead of providing the proof that doesn't exist.

Official sony digital tv tuner / DVR for your PS3.... http://uk.playstation.com/playtv/

Apple announced an iPhone SDK was in development to develop native apps less than four months after the iPhone was released. Steve Jobs was initially resistant to the idea of third-party apps, but pressure from within Apple and third parties convinced him otherwise. And let's be honest, at the time the third-party apps available on smart phones were absolutely terrible and overpriced (how many Nibbles clones did we need?) I have seen better software on a TI graphing calculator.


Gaming is not what is holding the AppleTV back. It is the fact that streaming services like Netflix are a superior offering to consumers. I want to see something that gives both cable AND Netflix a run for their money.

Jeff: Why didn't you quote ConradJoe's entire post?

Notice the /s at the end???

Some, maybe even ALL of us, think that is a sign for SARCASM!!!

CJ: Care to weigh in on this? Maybe you have but I haven't read to the end of the 70 or so posts.

Now, the second guy should also have noticed the /s and realized it was sarcasm, but still he didn't need wish the ill will.

Except it wasn't there when he posted it. He added it after the fact to prevent himself being banned.

It doesn't show it as being edited, or does this site not show that?

If he added it later, he's an a**. Actually, anyone who attacks another on any site like this is an a**.

Neat hack, but mostly pointless.

When the 1st iPhone and iPod touch were released then Jailbreaked, we saw a flood of really excellent 3rd party software for those devices.

The Apple TV has been Jailbreaked for awhile, but where are the apps? Until real app developers figure out what if anything should run on Apple TV these kinds of cracks are pointless. And if developers do figure it out, you can be sure Apple will be there to capitalize on it.

Huh?



Does this not show up for you?

So how can anybody claim that irony is dead?


I added the /s to make things clear for anybody who might have otherwise been confused.


And here's the real truth: Everything I say is a lie.

Android devices can display onscreen icons for webapps. What iOS can do, that Android cannot, is launch a webapp as its own process. Android, to the best of my research, cannot do that.

When you save a webapp bookmark to your homescreen and launch it from there, it appears as its own process in the program switcher, distinct from Safari. (The developer can even include iOS-specific HTML extensions to help the device find a custom app icon, startup image, etc.) The point is, iOS treats that bookmark as its own app if it's coded properly as a webapp.

When a user on Android launches a webapp from the homescreen, it simply opens the browser and runs there as a web page, like a desktop URL shortcut. It's a subtle difference for the end user but a major difference for developers.

You'll have to elaborate. I don't see how the presence of multiple homescreens (hidden feature or otherwise) was evidence that Apple favored native apps over Webapps, especially when you consider how elaborate and well-developed iOS's support for running Webapps was from day one. The infrastructure for treating Webapps as first-class citizens on the iPhone was there from the start. The system is designed to launch Webapps as their own process and treat them as their own app, not connected to Safari. I run my own Webapp that way daily. It's beautiful and sad that it has been so underutilized by developers.

Anyway, I see far more support for the idea that Apple intended Webapps to be the future for iOS, not native apps. I think you're reading way too much into a minor detail.