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Apple has begun cracking down on piracy of paid applications from its iOS App Store by sending legal takedown notices to servers hosting one popular service that aids people in stealing software.

Users can illegally obtain software from the App Store by jailbreaking their iOS device and running an application called "Installous." That provides access to a resource of cracked applications known as "Apptrackr."

But as noted by Cult of Mac, the head of Apptrackr has revealed that "huge takedown notices" have been sent out by Apple's legal team in an effort to shut down the piracy service. The Apptrackr service has since stopped directly linking to pirated software, and now has CAPTCHA verification checks when users steal software.

The piracy group has also moved its servers overseas to avoid Apple's legal actions, which has apparently driven up costs for Apptrackr. As a result, the service has introduced mobile advertisements, and told users that it cannot continue to survive on donations alone.

App Store piracy has been around for years, though there has not been much indication that Apple has been aggressive in shutting it down. The company has been engaged in a cat-and-mouse game with jailbreak developers who look for exploits in iOS to allow them to run unauthorized code.

While piracy is one reason some people jailbreak their iPhone or iPad, jailbreaking can also be used for entirely legal purposes like unlocking an iPhone or running applications not approved by Apple. However, the jailbreaking process does void Apple's warranties for iOS devices.




Theft of iPhone applications has been common enough that developers have found ways to profit from pirates. In early 2010, the developer behind "Tapulous" said many who stole their game were later buying legal music downloads from within the game using Apple's in-app purchasing system.

Last July, one developer revealed that Apple still allows users who pirated an application to log their progress through its Game Center social networking service. They said their game, "FingerKicks," sold 1,163 legitimate copies, but at least 15,950 pirated copies had been logged on Game Center.
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Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?
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Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

Step one is jailbreaking, cue the apologists in...

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About time.

So, the thieves asking their customers, who are also thieves, to pay them instead of the software developers. What's wrong with everyone!
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Apple has the ability to completely stop piracy whenever they want. They develop their own CPUs so they could require that all app code be signed. Apple could also utilize their own servers to validate an app's signature and the user's Apple ID whenever the app developer wishes. Apple could also make it easy for an app developer to determine if their app is properly encrypted and to determine if the iOS device has been jail broken. I have listened to all the WWDC sessions about security and Apple has never even once mentioned any techniques to help developers protect their apps from piracy. I don't understand how Apple expects to protect user data if the apps themselves are not secure from modification.
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I applaud Apple for doing this.

It has always struck me as odd that people would buy such an expensive gadget or sign up to an expensive calling plan to then jailbreak and pirate 99c apps.
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Originally Posted by GalaxyTab View Post

I applaud Apple for doing this.

It has always struck me as odd that people would buy such an expensive gadget or sign up to an expensive calling plan to then jailbreak and pirate 99c apps.

Exactly... lol.

Photoshop, Final Cut, Ok- I get it. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. But for Angry Birds? Wow.


Its like steroids in sports. If juicing is the difference between getting 5 yrs 100 mil or 5 years 20 mil, by all means- I understand the temptation. But if your a white kid on your high school basketball team... why? You just like to be flaccid? \



That all being said- The one thing I would love to have access to by jailbreaking my grandfathered unlimited data through AT&T is the ability to turn my phone into a hotspot. But... alas....

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Originally Posted by GalaxyTab View Post

I applaud Apple for doing this.

It has always struck me as odd that people would buy such an expensive gadget or sign up to an expensive calling plan to then jailbreak and pirate 99c apps.

There are other reasons to jailbreak other than to pirate apps. How about adding functionality to a device you own. Think ATV. The jailbreakers are making the ATV more useful, something that Apple should have done a looooong time ago.
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Originally Posted by tjwal View Post

There are other reasons to jailbreak other than to pirate apps. How about adding functionality to a device you own. Think ATV. The jailbreakers are making the ATV more useful, something that Apple should have done a looooong time ago.

Ya, that's great, but the piece was about app theft, not jailbreaking. The only mention of jailbreaking was that it was a requirement to install an app used for loading pirated apps. Nobody said anything else about jailbreaking or preventing it. Unless I misread, Apple sent legal notice(s) to the organization/service that was facilitating pirating not jailbreaking.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

Piracy has always been there. Bill Gates wrote blistering letters to pirates as far back as the mid-1970's (pre-DOS days).

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Originally Posted by BoxMacCary View Post

I hope to Christ Almighty they hang these c**ksuckers by thier gnatsized balls ....

F**ckin' scumbags ruining a flawless, good thing for everyone -- go get "em, Apple!

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Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

Keep in mind these figures probably include more than the US, but yes I think we have.

We can thank people like Michael Moore for teaching our youth that capitalism is evil & people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea. Now the way to get ahead is to steal it. Thanks Michael for teaching the world to hate the establishment, good on ya for making your millions off this capitalistic society you hate so much.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

The latter. To quote Lex Luther in Superman, "People are no damn good..." It's why religions and laws were invented, to try to keep us in some sort of line. Doesn't work very well though.

Use hatred of the RIAA's policies to rationalize stealing copyrighted music. Rationalize the theft of anything you desire by claiming entitlement.
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Keep in mind these figures probably include more than the US, but yes I think we have.

We can thank people like Michael Moore for teaching our youth that capitalism is evil & people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea. Now the way to get ahead is to steal it. Thanks Michael for teaching the world to hate the establishment, good on ya for making your millions off this capitalistic society you hate so much.

I don't remember Michael Moore ever claiming capitalism is evil and people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea, or teaching kids to steal. I remember him pointing out that the biggest thieves have the title CEO after their names and get away with it by hiding behind the capitalism mantra. I see you fell for it.
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I don't remember Michael Moore ever claiming capitalism is evil and people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea, or teaching kids to steal. I remember him pointing out that the biggest thieves have the title CEO after their names and get away with it by hiding behind the capitalism mantra. I see you fell for it.

Ouch!
Capitalism is bad when it is run by opportunist scumbags. Or heartless exploiters but stealing does sounds like a quick way of paying back against them. Blame the man-invented systems. We're unfortunately heading to the wrong direction.
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Ya, that's great, but the piece was about app theft, not jailbreaking. The only mention of jailbreaking was that it was a requirement to install an app used for loading pirated apps. Nobody said anything else about jailbreaking or preventing it. Unless I misread, Apple sent legal notice(s) to the organization/service that was facilitating pirating not jailbreaking.

True but the poster I responded to inferred that people jail broke just to steal apps.
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If my kid doesn't know that stealing is wrong, blame me, not Micheal Moore. Lock me up and throw away the key.
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It's hard for a small develop to go after pirates so Apple going after them certainly adds a lot of value to the app store.
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True but the poster I responsed to inferred that people jail broke just to steal apps.

If you look at the numbers, it's hard to think otherwise.
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

Keep in mind these figures probably include more than the US, but yes I think we have.

We can thank people like Michael Moore for teaching our youth that capitalism is evil & people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea. Now the way to get ahead is to steal it. Thanks Michael for teaching the world to hate the establishment, good on ya for making your millions off this capitalistic society you hate so much.

I happen to appreciate all of the work that Michael Moore has done for this country. I never heard Michael Moore recommend that we steal. Get your facts right.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

Stealing from crooks may be theft, but is it morally wrong? I'd say no. The reality is the copyright system is broken. The public has been robbed. A copyright term used to last the same amount of time as a patent. Namely ten years. It was renewable for another ten years. Than the works fell into the public domain.

Patents now last for 14 years, while a copyright over 100 years. This is strange, since patent law actually requires something to be innovative and useful, while copyright barely requires a work to be creative. Yet, after 14 years patents fall into the public domain and anybody can utilize them. With a copyright you have to wait until well after the author of the work dies. Meanwhile the public is being bleed dry for works that generally borrow from tons of other works.

The difference for the length of terms is the patent industry lobbied to keep terms short, which in fact benefits the public. Copyright holders ganged up on the regular folks.

It makes no sense a person can be liable for 20 million dollars for uploading 7 songs, as was the case recently. I would pay less if I beat up my next door neighbor. Moreover, in the fashion industry you are free to take another designers ideas. Yet, that industry is flourishing.
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Keep in mind these figures probably include more than the US, but yes I think we have.

We can thank people like Michael Moore for teaching our youth that capitalism is evil & people shouldn't be allowed to make money off a good idea. Now the way to get ahead is to steal it. Thanks Michael for teaching the world to hate the establishment, good on ya for making your millions off this capitalistic society you hate so much.

I doubt you ever watched a Michael Moore movie. He clearly teaches none of the things you suggest. He does, however, happen to have a problem with companies that use their power to lobby for rules that screw the rest of us.

In fact, he points out in one of his movies how at the height of the economic boom corporations were making more money than ever, and ironically they paid the highest tax rate at any other time in our Countries history. Everyone was prospering, which he clearly thinks was good. It was after companies got greedy and shifted the tax burden to the poor folks that Moore takes issue with (amongst other things).

Further, I don't see Moore giving free admission to his movies.
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Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

More a nation of greedy people who don't want to pay for anything and have the moral ethics of Heinrich Himmler.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

Always been this way. People used to pirate music and data back when that meant copying cassettes and floppies. Internet makes it easier.

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Have we descended into a nation of thieves? Or have we always been this way and the Internet just makes it easier?

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I hope to Christ Almighty they hang these c**ksuckers by thier gnatsized balls ....

F**ckin' scumbags ruining a flawless, good thing for everyone -- go get "em, Apple!

I suppose no one is thinking of the Blue Box right now...
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I suppose no one is thinking of the Blue Box right now...

The pirates aren't sticking it to "The Man", they're sticking it to all the other citizens being "oppressed" by "The Man".

HUGE inherent difference.
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The pirates aren't sticking it to "The Man", they're sticking it to all the other citizens being "oppressed" by "The Man".

HUGE inherent difference.

LOL! Woz and Jobs were not sticking it to the man either!! They were selling a (really cool) device that allowed people to make long distance phone calls for free. They were essentially selling for profit somebody else's product. I think it is actually a very good analogy.

This is not to say that I condem Jobs n Woz or that I condone pirates, I just think that people sometimes only see what they want to see...
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I think it is actually a very good analogy.

The difference comes when these pirates aren't selling the stuff they pirate (must resist the urge to add, "that's Google and Samsung's job").
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I think I must be missing something here. What is meant by the following phrase: "huge takedown notices" have been sent out by Apple's legal team in an effort to shut down the piracy service. The Apptrackr service has since stopped directly linking to pirated software, and now has CAPTCHA verification checks when users steal software.

So adding a "captcha" to pirating software is a slightly positive move, designed to reduce said piracy and instituted by a site which advocates and enables piracy ? Does this not seem a little ridiculous ?
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If my kid doesn't know that stealing is wrong, blame me, not Micheal Moore. Lock me up and throw away the key.

What if your kid KNOWS it's wrong, but steals anyway? Do we still lock YOU up?
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I don't think I've ever seen Christ and cocksucker in the same sentence.

Well, I guess most of the world assumes he was 100% heterosexual, so...
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Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post

What if your kid KNOWS it's wrong, but steals anyway? Do we still lock YOU up?

If I neglect my responsibility as a parent, lock me up. If my kid strays from what he knows is right, let him pay for his own crime.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

About time.

So, the thieves asking their customers, who are also thieves, to pay them instead of the software developers. What's wrong with everyone!

Ha! Spot on.

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Ouch!
Capitalism is bad when it is run by opportunist scumbags. Or heartless exploiters but stealing does sounds like a quick way of paying back against them. Blame the man-invented systems. We're unfortunately heading to the wrong direction.

Capitalism is founded and bred by opportunity and clearly opportunistic people (scumbags?). Is it therefore bad by default? hmmm
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If they provided a proper demo/trial mode for software on the iOS and Mac App Store I would wager there would be fewer people getting the software illegally. iOS apps are generally cheap but even that 2 euros hurts when you realize you just spent it on a piece of crap that is nothing like it claims because you couldn't try it first. Much worse on the Mac App Store.
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If they provided a proper demo/trial mode for software on the iOS and Mac App Store I would wager there would be fewer people getting the software illegally. iOS apps are generally cheap but even that 2 euros hurts when you realize you just spent it on a piece of crap that is nothing like it claims because you couldn't try it first. Much worse on the Mac App Store.

Many developers provide "Lite" versions of their apps.
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Software has never been so cheap as on the App Store. There's really no excuse for pirating it.
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