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post #41 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:21pm
I can't really think of another way you actually put it on a slide. But even still the concept is a complete copy of Apple.

What I really don't get though is the 30 days thing. I have a hard enought time understanding Apples limit on photo's let alone a 30 day version. The cloud service I use for syncing my photos needs to sync all of them as its also doubling up as a backup. Limiting it is just making is useless, you'll be showing someone some photo's of a wedding that was months ago only then to find half way though you've reached photo 10,000 and the rest are missing.
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post #42 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:31pm
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I can't really think of another way you actually put it on a slide. But even still the concept is a complete copy of Apple.

What I really don't get though is the 30 days thing. I have a hard enought time understanding Apples limit on photo's let alone a 30 day version. The cloud service I use for syncing my photos needs to sync all of them as its also doubling up as a backup. Limiting it is just making is useless, you'll be showing someone some photo's of a wedding that was months ago only then to find half way though you've reached photo 10,000 and the rest are missing.

Very true indeed.

As for acer, well, what to say? this is beyond pathetic, it's surreal.... and kinda sums up what they are about...
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post #43 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:34pm
Apple, shameless copycats: http://www.ontwerps.nl/wp-content/up.../sugarsync.jpg
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post #44 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:36pm
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"It's not identical, they reversed the position of the phone and computer!"

They DID outright steal Apple's Wi-Fi icon, though.

Actually the reason it is reverse is someone set a picture of the actually side and it got reverse when it was share, they actually though the did it the same way, the problem is the apple brushed metal looking cloud it not available out on the web so they have to steel that somewhere else.

The thing that kills me about these companies, they somehow think they can recreate what apple is doing, Acers somehow thinks he can create a cloud service and we can somehow sync various competing products from various companies and make it all work well together. We all know how this is going to end, Acers will pay millions of dollar to rent server space only to loose on it. I do not think anyone believe for a minute they built their own data centers. If they did that's losses of millions more.
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post #45 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:43pm
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...the presenters heard of any of the gazillion photo sharing services,....

So which of these "gazillion photo sharing services" require no user intervention whatsoever, apart from entering a user name and password as part of the initial set up, to have photo's shared seamlessly across a multitude of devices?

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post #46 of 83
1/9/12 at 1:53pm
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So which of these "gazillion photo sharing services" require no user intervention whatsoever, apart from entering a user name and password as part of the initial set up, to have photo's shared seamlessly across a multitude of devices?

Picasa. Dropbox. SugarSync.

Apple did not invent cloud computing, period.

Quite possibly, they did not invent the slide in question either:

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post #47 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:01pm
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Picasa. Dropbox. SugarSync.

Apple did not invent cloud computing, period.

Quite possibly, they did not invent the slide in question either:

Those are not the same PhotoStream. I love how just doing something with internet storage means it's somehow stolen. In that case you need to argue that Dropbox, SugarSync and Picasa all stole from iDisk as it predates all of them. Or... you could look at the service being introduced by AcerCloud to see how there is a very strong similarity to an Apple product.

You might want to check out Samsung's SwipeIt while you're at it. You and others will need some time to find ways that it's nothing like AirPlay.



PS: Dropbox didn't copy from iDisk.

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post #48 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:10pm
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Picasa. Dropbox. SugarSync.

Exactly.

I've never understood what's in it for AI to dumb down its users.

I get it, the slide looks like Apple's (not worth an article IMO) by I don't get why they then try to pretend that Apple invented the cloud?

All that happens is readers end up looking like idiots when they don't know other cloud services existed before iCloud.
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post #49 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:12pm
You have to be a fool to copy iCloud... it sucks big time
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post #50 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:13pm
The only similarities are 3 devices under a cloud, the devices are different plus the cloud is different. Apple has neither coined nor copyrighted the term cloud and a icon for it. Does it look similar, yes, is it a direct copy, no.
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post #51 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:15pm
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Exactly.

I've never understood what's in it for AI to dumb down its users.

I get it, the slide looks like Apple's (not worth an article IMO) by I don't get why they then try to pretend that Apple invented the cloud?

All that happens is readers end up looking like idiots when they don't know other cloud services existed before iCloud.

You guys honestly can't see how Acer has blatantly copies Apple's PhotoSteam here or are really that unobservant?


Canned reply: "Not uh! Acer removes photos after 30 days and Apple keeps the last 1000 on devices. That completely different."

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post #52 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:19pm
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Those are not the same PhotoStream.

I never said they were.

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I love how just doing something with internet storage means it's somehow stolen.

It is stolen? That's news to me.

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In that case you need to argue that ...

In what case? I don't believe I need to argue.

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... you could look at the service being introduced by AcerCloud to see how there is a very strong similarity to an Apple product.

I could, but I won't, since I don't give a rat's behind for most services that come bundled with hardware purchases.

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You might want to check out Samsung's SwipeIt while you're at it. You and others will need some time to find ways that it's nothing like AirPlay.

I do expect companies to continue working on DLNA development. If Samsung are developing their own proprietary protocol instead, then I couldn't care less about it, whether it is similar to AirPlay or not...

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PS: Dropbox didn't copy from iDisk.

Okay.
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post #53 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:19pm
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You have to be a fool to copy iCloud... it sucks big time

Other than the fact that it's quite good, doesn't suck, and has far fewer problems with it than most major cloud services, yeah, it "sucks".
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post #54 of 83
1/9/12 at 2:47pm
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You guys honestly can't see how Acer has blatantly copies Apple's PhotoSteam here or are really that unobservant?


Canned reply: "Not uh! Acer removes photos after 30 days and Apple keeps the last 1000 on devices. That completely different."

Because only PhotoStream allows a user to save pics to the cloud and displays them in horizontal/vertical lines. Photos were used in both cases because it makes for a better presentation than say files, folders, music, etc...
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post #55 of 83
1/9/12 at 3:09pm
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OMG you're all such fanboys! First Apple patented the rectangle and now they're patenting the powerpoint slide! How many ways can you make a powerpoint slide? The only logical way is with a cloud icon above three devices, each with a different time/content limit!

jk... but I bet someone will say that somewhere!


OMG you're all such fanboys! first Apple patented the rectangle and now they're patenting the PowerPoint slide! How many ways can you make a PowerPoint slide? The only logical way is with a cloud icon above three devices each with a different time/content limit!

jk... But I bet someone will say that somewhere apple does it the only logical way, so thats the only way we can do it! There isn't any other way, I mean really, how could we possibly say the same thing in a different way since Apple has already said it?
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post #56 of 83
1/9/12 at 3:19pm
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OMG you're all such fanboys! first Apple patented the rectangle and now they're patenting the PowerPoint slide! How many ways can you make a PowerPoint slide? The only logical way is with a cloud icon above three devices each with a different time/content limit!

jk... But I bet someone will say that somewhere apple does it the only logical way, so thats the only way we can do it! There isn't any other way, I mean really, how could we possibly say the same thing in a different way since Apple has already said it?

You can do it different ways - for instance, you could put the icons round the cloud for a start.

You could even not display the main cloud window with the same 4 * 5 pictures as well. You could use 5 * 5, or 3 * 6, but to copy the number of icons as well is just slavish.

And as for the Wifi logo - you have to admit - that it was a stroke of genius to use a logo that looks exactly like the one on a Mac, except upside down. They've even retained a very similar proportion to the design, and used 4 bars (not 3 not 5 not 6, but 4).

AcerCloud vs iCloud
PicStream vs PhotoStream

No one is saying that Apple has a monopoly on this slide, they could well have seen how other people did it, and adapted it.

But this IS a BLATANT rip off.
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post #57 of 83
1/9/12 at 3:37pm
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I thought ASUS was always the king of the netbook market?...anyway

I am so sick of these SHAMELESS, CLUELESS, COPYCATS!!!

They are, unfortunately that is like being king of my downstairs bathroom.


Sure the whole photo stream concept was clearly copied. The sad part was they could not even bother to come up with their own marketing materials. None of this will lead to lawsuits, but it is sad. I did not put much stock into the people claiming a culture of blatant copying, but it is starting to look like that is the case.

When you can't even be bothered to make your own slide...
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post #58 of 83
1/9/12 at 3:47pm
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copy a slide is easy ... but invest in the Data Center to support this service is another story ...

LOL -- true that.

The fact that some graphic artist would copy Job's keynote presentation is hardly a surprise. Icons and symbols in presentations are lifted all the time. Just go look at some clip art for ideas and "leader" -- how many lightbulbs or little guy in front of a pack are you going to find?

This is just a presentation, not a Samsung iPhone knock-off, after all.

>> But the DATA CENTER -- that's what is key here. Apple took their time and invested heavily in some huge data centers and locations to speed access.

Acer is probably safe until they get some measure of success. On the other hand; Apple had 54% of all phone data traffic BEFORE the iPhone 4GS came out -- and it increased 40% from there -- so does that mean it's about 73% by now of traffic -- I'm not sure. It's just that Apple and Siri and iCloud is transferring a BOATLOAD of cell data, and that's a big part of this "cloud" service.

A few hacked sites, some data losses -- we'll see if Cloud services keep customers happy or backfire for some poorly implemented schemes in about a year. Anyone rushing into this is going to have a stock that needs shorting.
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post #59 of 83
1/9/12 at 6:22pm
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I can't really think of another way you actually put it on a slide.

I take it you won't be applying for any jobs in graphic design in the near future?
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post #60 of 83
1/9/12 at 6:23pm
asus ceo mimic jobs presentation style when he introduced the zenbook.

now we have acer ceo.

won't be long before these taiwanese make a clone of steve jobs. fine and dandy with me if they manage to clone his brain proper. that is. until he opens his mouth and speak mandarin. the horror.
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post #61 of 83
1/9/12 at 6:37pm
Acre's R&D is Rip-off & Doppelgäng

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post #62 of 83
1/9/12 at 7:15pm
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Because only PhotoStream allows a user to save pics to the cloud and displays them in horizontal/vertical lines. Photos were used in both cases because it makes for a better presentation than say files, folders, music, etc...

Photostream does not "allow a user to save pics to the cloud", it AUTOMATICALLY saves pics to iCloud AUTOMATICALLY accessible on any device linked to that iCloud account.

There is one login, no need to install anything on any updated Apple devices, no need to keep track of multiple accounts, no need for multiple software installations across multiple devices.

iCloud is a natural progression from iTools, which was introduced by Apple in 2000.

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post #63 of 83
1/9/12 at 10:16pm
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I can't really think of another way you actually put it on a slide.

That is the exact same thing everybody designing a tablet right now is saying - I really can't think of another way to do it, other than how Apple has done it.

Well, maybe except for Sony.
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post #64 of 83
1/9/12 at 10:30pm
Acer. Tut tut tut. What a bunch of zeros. Apple is clearly the most stylish kid on the block and these dweebs just want a piece of the style too.

Tough shit. Go and find your own look, dickskin.
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post #65 of 83
1/9/12 at 10:59pm
I know this article is about Acer but today, I saw a recently released Samsung Galaxy Nexus commercial that started with a voice that sounded a lot like the guy who speaks in Apple's ads. The look and feel was also very similar. Towards the end, they even used a whitish screen with text, much like many of Apple's commercials.

It's so pathetic how much these companies copy Apple. Why can't they do anything original? I was thinking of buying a new LED TV with a Samsung Series 6 on the top of the list. With all that's been going on, I'm losing respect for Samsung big time and am reconsidering spending my money with Samsung.
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post #66 of 83
1/9/12 at 11:10pm
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I know this article is about Acer but...

...I am going to ignore that fact because I had already typed out my unrelated rant about how Samsung sucks and I know that around here you don't have to be on topic, or make sense, as long as you're bashing Apple's competition.
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post #67 of 83
1/10/12 at 12:32am
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I know this article is about Acer but today, I saw a recently released Samsung Galaxy Nexus commercial that started with a voice that sounded a lot like the guy who speaks in Apple's ads. The look and feel was also very similar. Towards the end, they even used a whitish screen with text, much like many of Apple's commercials.

It's so pathetic how much these companies copy Apple. Why can't they do anything original? I was thinking of buying a new LED TV with a Samsung Series 6 on the top of the list. With all that's been going on, I'm losing respect for Samsung big time and am reconsidering spending my money with Samsung.

Google commercials do not resemble Apple commercials but they are in the same genre.
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post #68 of 83
1/10/12 at 2:56am
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Oh, Acer. You're getting into services now??? Where's your billion-dollar data center?

For a few dozen stored JPEG's they won't need a billion$ data center. One iPhone might be enough to provide this service.
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post #69 of 83
1/10/12 at 3:19am
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I know this article is about Acer but today, I saw a recently released Samsung Galaxy Nexus commercial that started with a voice that sounded a lot like the guy who speaks in Apple's ads. The look and feel was also very similar. Towards the end, they even used a whitish screen with text, much like many of Apple's commercials.

It's so pathetic how much these companies copy Apple. Why can't they do anything original? I was thinking of buying a new LED TV with a Samsung Series 6 on the top of the list. With all that's been going on, I'm losing respect for Samsung big time and am reconsidering spending my money with Samsung.

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Google commercials do not resemble Apple commercials but they are in the same genre.

The original post didn't mention Google. So i'm not sure why you bring them up on this context, although of course Samsung run Google's OS on their copycat devices.
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post #70 of 83
1/10/12 at 3:31am
It's their business model to take market trends, copy and make them as cheap as possible. When/if they violate patents and IP they should be slapped... when not then I see no problem.

Though I'd be embarrassed to be that blatant.
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post #71 of 83
1/10/12 at 3:52am
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The original post didn't mention Google. So i'm not sure why you bring them up on this context, although of course Samsung run Google's OS on their copycat devices.

Only galaxy nexus commercials I've seen are made by Google.
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post #72 of 83
1/10/12 at 5:29am
AcerCloud and PicStream are being joined by another new service, MobileMeToo.
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post #73 of 83
1/10/12 at 7:30am
Yet more glaring evidence that the tech universe has not one single creative idea left that doesn't revolve around copying Apple and everything they do, right down to their slides. Creatively bankrupt companies should go out of business.
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post #74 of 83
1/10/12 at 7:30am
MobileMe presentation in June 2008

http://www.apfeltalk.de/forum/attach...4-mobileme.jpg

Look familiar?
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post #75 of 83
1/10/12 at 7:57am
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MobileMe presentation in June 2008

Look familiar?

Less than, but sure. The Acer thing has identical grids of photos, too. There's absolutely no excuse or explanation for that.
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post #76 of 83
1/10/12 at 9:19am
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I take it you won't be applying for any jobs in graphic design in the near future?

It's not exactly graphic design, its a Powerpoint presentation. They've used a generic background with the generic way of laying out services that talk to the cloud. Apart from the cloud image which you can't really say is a copy of Apple given that calling it the cloud and having pictures of a cloud comes long before Apple, the only other graphic is the background which is a gradient fill, again very common.

But it's more the fact they've copied the service, and by copying the service the illustration naturally ends up being the same. Even if you never saw that slide from the Apple presentation, you would come up with the same layout.
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post #77 of 83
1/10/12 at 9:41am
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They've used a generic background

Made to look exactly like Apple's standard background that they've been using for over a decade…

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with the generic way of laying out services that talk to the cloud.

I'd love to hear how you think you can call 'precisely the way Apple has done it for years" the 'generic' way.

Because I've seen all sorts of cloud presentations. The cloud generally is in the middle. SHOCK AND HORROR.

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the only other graphic is the background which is a gradient fill, again very common.

… as I said, common because Apple popularized it.

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Even if you never saw that slide from the Apple presentation, you would come up with the same layout.

It's ludicrous to actually believe that sentence.
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post #78 of 83
1/10/12 at 11:34am
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Made to look exactly like Apple's standard background that they've been using for over a decade



I'd love to hear how you think you can call 'precisely the way Apple has done it for years" the 'generic' way.

Because I've seen all sorts of cloud presentations. The cloud generally is in the middle. SHOCK AND HORROR.



as I said, common because Apple popularized it.



It's ludicrous to actually believe that sentence.

Gradient backgrounds aren't apple's. All other points I agree.
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1/10/12 at 11:58am
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Gradient backgrounds aren't apple's. All other points I agree.

No, certainly. But they were the first to use them in presentations. And the same argument applies here: changing the color of the gradient while changing nothing else about it (direction, etc.) is just laughable.
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1/11/12 at 12:52am
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Google commercials do not resemble Apple commercials but they are in the same genre.

The one I saw was on TV and did not appear to be made by Google.
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