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post #81 of 90
1/10/12 at 11:36am
The thing is that while PCs will remain for a long time, smart phones, iPads (and soon smart TVs) will reduce the importance of PCs. To gain market share in smart phones or iPads MS have to make better implementations than Apple and Android. Just a good one will not do any major inroads as MS are late for the party on both markets. Perhaps they can focus on a platform agnostic Office 365 and the X-box as smart TV. They still have all those pro apps like servers, Exchange server, Active Directory and other enterprise stuff. MS will stick around...

And they still make better mice than Apple Not that that says a lot. I really dislike Office 2011 but some stuff they do is quite good.
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post #82 of 90
1/10/12 at 1:21pm
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Yippie! Another opinion piece for all the Apple fanboys to jump up and down and scream about how much Microsoft sucks! Woo hoo!

Dilger writing about Microsoft is about the same as having the Grand Dragon of the KKK write about a hip-hop event. Let's see if I can summarize this trash article: Microsoft didn't present the same way Apple would have so it sucked. Of course if they had made it more Apple-like, Dilger and the fanboys would be screaming about how pathetic and unoriginal MS was that they couldn't do their own thing.

Dilger, crawl back under the rock you slithered out from under or AppleInsider at least acknowledge that you shouldn't expect any level of journalistic integrity in the crap he writes.

DED may be biased, but then accusing him of that is like accusing Keith Olbermann or Bill O'Reilly of being biased. Of course they are. And you'd be a fool to expect anything else.

I don't think DED is saying Microsoft's presentation "sucks" as much as it is "weird" or surreal or doesn't seem to click. You seem to translate that into "DED sez Microsoft sucks." Can you claim that you are NOT biased?

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post #83 of 90
1/10/12 at 3:47pm
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Tried the first beta

No you haven't.


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there is a public beta of Windows 8 available

There is no public beta of Windows 8. The beta is due at the end of February.
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post #84 of 90
1/10/12 at 3:51pm
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I'm the first to call out Dillger for being an idiot, but lets face it, there wasn't much else but filler going on in that keynote. It's pretty obvious Microsoft is playing their cards close to their chest at the moment, and it's easy to see why they decided to drop CES next year.

On the Dillger side it's interesting to see the ball has dropped about just how different Microsoft's approach is.

Dillger mentions "semantic zoom" which he thinks is "sort of" like Exposé but not really - wait until he finds out that is an app control that will be utilized by 3rd party apps. Actually, wait until he sees things like side-by-side apps and app contracts.

Dillger is already making comments like "Microsoft is inventing entirely new ways to do things that ... bear very little resemblance to how iOS works", "[Microsoft will] deliver an entirely new user interface that is completely original and wildly different" and "Microsoft is planning to radially change the PC as it works today".

If the most rabid Apple fanboy who thinks Microsoft have never invented a single thing in their existence can look at what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 7 and admit that it is "completely original and wildly different" and "bear[s] very little resemblance to how iOS works" I think that's something interesting.

Of course Dillger automatically still assumes it all sucks because it isn't Apple, but that is to be expected!

This post sums up the actual content of the article perfectly.

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post #85 of 90
1/10/12 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

No you haven't.


There is no public beta of Windows 8. The beta is due at the end of February.

What I meant was the pre-beta developer preview, which as far as I can tell you can download without being a developer. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/preview
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post #86 of 90
1/10/12 at 11:02pm
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Everyone is so quick to bash MS and predict their drawn out death. This is a huge company with deep pockets and smart folks. They are having a rouh ride competing in areas they never really had to before, against new technologies and in most cases better technologies.

They are badly guided right now and in a defensive position reacting to Apple, Google and co. Once they get back on track, develop something cool and game changing and not in reaction to the competion, they'll do well again.... Not that i really care that much, i cant stand windows but this thread is like gang rape (very one sided) and someone needs to save the girl.

Microsoft has only ever produced things in response to competition. That's why their business model is so wrong and bound to fail.

Companies with technology and quality focus are now starting to cut through and win.

And don't compare things to rape - that's offensive.
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post #87 of 90
1/10/12 at 11:34pm
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Microsoft has only ever produced things in response to competition. That's why their business model is so wrong and bound to fail.

Is there a product that hasn't been in response to some kind of competition?
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post #88 of 90
1/11/12 at 8:34am
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Microsoft has only ever produced things in response to competition. That's why their business model is so wrong and bound to fail.

Companies with technology and quality focus are now starting to cut through and win.

That is not really accurate. There are lots of business strategies that can be successful. Being second to market with a lower cost product is often a very successful strategy.

And it's pretty hard to argue that Microsoft's business model is 'wrong' and bound to fail. They're worth $230,000,000,000 at today's market cap and are very profitable.

They may not grow as quickly as some competition, but that doesn't make them a failure.
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post #89 of 90
1/11/12 at 8:38am
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Is there a product that hasn't been in response to some kind of competition?

Depends on how vaguely you describe competition.

Truly innovative products have competition only in a very broad sense. The problem is that few people understand true innovation.

First personal computer. Sure, it had to compete with calculators and board games, but in a very real sense, it created a new market.

First telephone. It had to compete with the postal service, but in a very real sense, it created a new market.

First GPS system. Competes with maps and asking for directions, but it is in a very real sense something new rather than a response to competition.

Fire. I suppose you could argue that the invention of fire (or, more likely, the discovery that it could be controlled) competed with freezing to death, being eaten by animals, and killing yourself from eating spoiled food. But, realistically, it was truly something new.
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post #90 of 90
1/12/13 at 10:19am

It is not that Microsoft's business model is not working...it is just that their public "face" are not congruent with their driving motivations.  And that will eventually rip them apart.  MS actual core value and strategy is to make money.  That is what drives all their business decisions.  That is what drives Steve Ballmer.  The reason this keynote is so weird and awkward is that Steve Ballmer is Not being authentic.  He is presenting himself and His company as one that is driven by innovation and creating a great product....masking over the real truth:  they are driven by creating great profit.  This is their core value that has driven their business decisions.  

 

Apple's business model is vastly different and opposed to MS.  Their core value is "To make the World's greatest products".  That is what drives them.  As such, that is why their keynotes are more authentic where their actions are aligned with their motives.  They are being more true to themselves.  

 

That is something Steve Ballmer is incapable of doing.  That is why he is that laughing stock of the tech industry.  It is his hubris.  He is the emperor who is wearing no clothes....and I feel for him.  I only wish he could come to his senses.  

 

At the sometime, I very much am enjoying this.  It is my daily soap opera that I am addicted to.  

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