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post #1 of 130
3/20/02 at 11:36pm
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And when do you expect it? Do you think there will be one or more speed/feature bumps before Apple introduces an all new model? I will probably be looking to replace my Pismo around MWNY if Apple at least gets to the vicinity of the GHz barrier in their laptop line.
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post #2 of 130
3/20/02 at 11:43pm
[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
<strong>And when do you expect it? Do you think there will be one or more speed/feature bumps before Apple introduces an all new model? I will probably be looking to replace my Pismo around MWNY if Apple at least gets to the vicinity of the GHz barrier in their laptop line.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Never, my 667 will anyways be top of the line! muhahahaha! Anywho, Ghz in TiBook? I would be able to bbq chicken on it. All I can say is dont hold your breathe. Even apple said no more updates for sometime. The market kind of sucks right now.
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post #3 of 130
3/21/02 at 12:21am
I don't claim to have any inside knowledge, but my guess is sometime between now and May 6 (the beginning of WWDC). That pushes us past 6 months since the big TiBook rev back in october
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post #4 of 130
3/21/02 at 12:22am
KrazyFool is right...

I dont expect Anything... Anymore from Apple...

After the whole (revolutionary?) iLamp incident I just cant say I support or believe in those who run apple anymore... but I still will always be a hardcore apple zealot...

Until recently I would have never said this...

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post #5 of 130
3/21/02 at 12:39am
[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>I just cant say I support or believe in those who run apple anymore</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why? They've done what they're paid to do: make a profit.
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post #6 of 130
3/21/02 at 2:24am
[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
[QB]KrazyFool is right...

I dont expect Anything... Anymore from Apple...

After the whole (revolutionary?) iLamp incident I just cant say I support or believe in those who run apple anymore... but I still will always be a hardcore apple zealot... [QB]<hr></blockquote>

What's wrong with imac, I think it's a great design, it's different from anything I've seen, and the best of all, every bit of the design is functional, from the LCD, to the neck to the Base, they are all there for a reason, instead of yet another LCD AIO Computer.

Anyway, I think th next powerbook will have builtin Bluetooth for sure.
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post #7 of 130
3/21/02 at 3:32am
What's wrong with iMac is the pricing! It's moving in the wrong direction fer chrissakes.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, the only thing I now expect from the TiBook is that it gets a price bump instead of a spec bump.
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post #8 of 130
3/21/02 at 3:46am
Come'on...

the fairy lamp is "pretty" and maybe functional but....

the price is a problem... making promises they cant ((((deliver)))), etc...

I can only imagine the responses I would have gotten if I had left in the rant text in....

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post #9 of 130
3/21/02 at 4:01am
[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>the price is a problem... making promises they cant ((((deliver)))), etc...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who would ever thought of the sudden price jump in PC133 Ram !? Jesus christ it was dirt cheap before 2002, now ? a 256 MB Ram will cost you 50 Bucks, that's like more than doubled in price.
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post #10 of 130
3/21/02 at 6:30am
I imagine the new TiBook will have Bluetooth built-in (don't you think?) so that you can use various peripherals wirelessly without a silly adaptor jamming out of the back of an otherwise pristine piece of art.

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post #11 of 130
3/21/02 at 6:36am
I believe (higher resolution) that Apple will (higher resolution) listen carefully to the demands of the target (higher resolution) market for the Powerbook: design, publishing, (higher resolution) and video professionals.

(higher resolution) What are they asking for? (higher resolution)

Well, higher resolution, for one thing.
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post #12 of 130
3/21/02 at 6:38am
Higher resolution: sure
Faster G4: sure
Bluetooth: maybe
DVD-RW: maybe
Different case: no
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post #13 of 130
3/21/02 at 7:12am
The price of any new Powerbook will be at least an additional $100.
Come to think of it, shouldn't the iPod's price be hiked up as well? After all it does have an LCD display.
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post #14 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:40am
The PowerBook has a much fatter profit margin as a cushion for rising component costs. Apple takes some profit hit, but not to the point where they have to raise prices.

I think the next PowerBook will bring us 7445s up to 867 MHz, with a 733 low end. Higher res screen of course, 32 MB 7500 or GF4to Go graphics card, 30 and 48 GB drives, with 60 BTO. An new evolutionary, more sturdy case will probably enclose the machine as well.
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post #15 of 130
3/21/02 at 10:28am
1) A faster G4
2) Better screen resolution (smaller pixels)
3) DDR
4) OS X 10.2
5) Better video board with more video memory

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post #16 of 130
3/21/02 at 10:42am
The answer is that if it comes before MWNY, and I think it will, it will have an 800Mhz G4, and no other changes. If it comes at MWNY or after, who knows? Could be an entirely different machine.
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post #17 of 130
3/21/02 at 10:55am
ADC support.
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post #18 of 130
3/21/02 at 12:18pm
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
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I think the next PowerBook will bring us 7445s up to 867 MHz, with a 733 low end. Higher res screen of course, 32 MB 7500 or GF4to Go graphics card, 30 and 48 GB drives, with 60 BTO. An new evolutionary, more sturdy case will probably enclose the machine as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh great! Blazingly fast 867MHz. Come on, Apple really needs more than that.
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post #19 of 130
3/21/02 at 1:02pm
No they don't. Especially not in a Powerbook.

733/867 will be more than adequate.

I would rather have a Powerbook at 733 MHz with a 5 hour battery than a Powerbook at 1 GHz with a 1.5 hour battery.

Not to mention heat.

Imagine what Apple is trying to do here:

higher clock speed G4's (an already hot processor)
higher screen resolution
bigger and faster graphics chip
keep same 5 hour battery life

This is not easy. Speed, res, and video chip all are heavy battery drainers and heat generators. Apple is doing the best they can.

The new Powerbook will rock, and if we have to wait 4 months to get it, that's just the way it will be.

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post #20 of 130
3/21/02 at 5:10pm
Introduction @ WWDC 2002 in May

667 Mhz and 800Mhz
256 MB and 512MB RAM
30 GB and 48 GB HD
56K Modem
radeon Mobility 7500 32 MB DDRRAM
133Mhz Bus standard
DVD-CDRW Combo Drive
Airport standard on high end
Gigabit Ethernet
1440 x 960 Resolution 3:2 Megawide Display
$2399 and $2999

BTO: 1GB RAM, 60GB HD, Airport

Next Powerbook Update:
Apple Expo paris 2002 or October
using the new G4s that have had a die shrink. possible 1Ghz.
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post #21 of 130
3/21/02 at 5:21pm
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Introduction @ WWDC 2002 in May

667 Mhz and 800Mhz
256 MB and 512MB RAM
30 GB and 48 GB HD
56K Modem
radeon Mobility 7500 32 MB DDRRAM
133Mhz Bus standard
DVD-CDRW Combo Drive
Airport standard on high end
Gigabit Ethernet
1440 x 960 Resolution 3:2 Megawide Display
$2399 and $2999

BTO: 1GB RAM, 60GB HD, Airport

Next Powerbook Update:
Apple Expo paris 2002 or October
using the new G4s that have had a die shrink. possible 1Ghz.</strong><hr></blockquote>

These are the most reasonable predictions I've seen. The only thing I would modify is to make Airport standard across the line (Anyone know the cost to Apple for Airport cards? Must be negligible, right?).
The other nice thing is this opens up the possibility for the iBook to go to a 700 G3 and the Ti's current vid chip. Which would make it pretty much the perfect consumer laptop. :cool:


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post #22 of 130
3/21/02 at 5:28pm
I thought about Airport on the lwoend but then I realized that Apple wants to keep the lowend cheap as possible and also offer more incentives to the high end to get people to pay more.
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post #23 of 130
3/21/02 at 5:36pm
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I would like it if Apple had a BTO option for a DVD instead of a CDRW drive. I don't need to burn CDs with my laptop and it would nice to save a few $'s.
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post #24 of 130
3/21/02 at 5:47pm
[quote] The only thing I would modify is to make Airport standard across the line (Anyone know the cost to Apple for Airport cards? Must be negligible, right?). <hr></blockquote>

I betcha that it pays apple to have airport cards built-in. I'd imagine that their cost would be between 50-70 bucks, but if one of my macs came with an airport card, I would be more tempted to buy the base or more cards. Of course now that I think of it, I'd buy cheaper third party cards and bases.

Ahhh . . . I really dunno. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #25 of 130
3/21/02 at 6:05pm
[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>I can only imagine the responses I would have gotten if I had left in the rant text in....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, come on. Lets have it
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post #26 of 130
3/21/02 at 6:26pm
[quote]Originally posted by KrazyFool:
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Oh, come on. Lets have it </strong><hr></blockquote>

I cant remember what "Axactly" I had to say...

May have been ban-worthy...

I wasnt really mad at apple at the time I wrote it...

But Apple didnt help... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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post #27 of 130
3/21/02 at 7:25pm
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Introduction @ WWDC 2002 in May

667 Mhz and 800Mhz
256 MB and 512MB RAM
30 GB and 48 GB HD
56K Modem
radeon Mobility 7500 32 MB DDRRAM
133Mhz Bus standard
DVD-CDRW Combo Drive
Airport standard on high end
Gigabit Ethernet
1440 x 960 Resolution 3:2 Megawide Display
$2399 and $2999

BTO: 1GB RAM, 60GB HD, Airport

Next Powerbook Update:
Apple Expo paris 2002 or October
using the new G4s that have had a die shrink. possible 1Ghz.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is upsetting news (rumors) for me. I want to buy a PowerBook in early fall/ late summer, but I want it to last throughout my four years in college. If I buy in May, I have a laptop for the start of college but if i wait til October, I run the risk of Apple not even updating it then. I might even have to wait until MWSF 2003! I don;t think I could deal with buying a $3000 computer and then having it updated with a 25% increase in processor clock speed 5 months later (more importantly, only 1 month of actual use since college starts in september). Decisions-Decisions. What shall I do! What shall I do?

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post #28 of 130
3/21/02 at 7:48pm
I still think we'll see 733 and 867 MHz. I also doubt they will jack up the low end price.
Other than that Applenut, I think your predictions are probably what we'll see.
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post #29 of 130
3/21/02 at 8:01pm
It's the resolution, stupid.
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post #30 of 130
3/21/02 at 8:25pm
I think even in the next bump we'll see BlueTooth built in, perhaps implemented as a BlueTooth/56K modem combo replacing the current USB based modem.
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post #31 of 130
3/21/02 at 8:37pm
[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
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This is upsetting news (rumors) for me. I don;t think I could deal with buying a $3000 computer and then having it updated with a 25% increase in processor clock speed 5 months later :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

First of all, I'd like to start out by saying: . Then I'd like to tell you that I can't help but <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> when I hear this sort of thing. You're going :eek: and :confused: over such a trivial little guess by some kid about when and how much a computer manufacturer is going to upgrade their model of laptop. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> It's not like it's life or death. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> out. Be .
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post #32 of 130
3/21/02 at 8:55pm
I'm that I got my 667 on december 25th its been a good solid 3 months since an update I bought mine one week before the combo upgrade but other then that I been , but I would never burn cds, I have no use for them. Here I thought apple was going to update in january <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Sorry bradbower it looked like fun

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post #33 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:10pm
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>I still think we'll see 733 and 867 MHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>I think applenut's right, until we see an entirely new (i.e., .13) fab process. Right now, the only G4 that is compatible with the PowerBook stops at 800 Mhz.

I think we'll see it sooner rather than later, along with an iBook with Sahara, maybe even at 800Mhz, too.
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post #34 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:16pm
Where does it say that the 7445 tops out at 800 MHz?
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post #35 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:24pm
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>Where does it say that the 7445 tops out at 800 MHz?</strong><hr></blockquote><a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7445&nodeId=01M98653" target="_blank">Here.</a>
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post #36 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:30pm
[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>

First of all, I'd like to start out by saying: . Then I'd like to tell you that I can't help but when I hear this sort of thing. You're going and over such a trivial little guess by some kid about when and how much a computer manufacturer is going to upgrade their model of laptop. It's not like it's life or death. out. Be .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well buddy, I applaud your analyzation skills. How many years of high school English did you take? Oh- that's right.. you slept through the vocabulary part thus not knowing "melodrama" when you see it. The entire dilemma was thought out rationally- not emotionally, buddy. Only the last sentence contained "heightened emotion" so it should clue you in that while the sentence fits with the paragraph, it doesn't fit as well. Melodrama- exaggerated behavior or emotional displays. THINK before you flame- even mildly.

While applenut simply stated rumors, I went as far as predicting what would happen if his rumors weren't true. THAT is my dilemma. Should I wait and gamble or buy and gamble. PLUS, $3,000 is A LOT of money for a kid to have seriously outdated components (newer option available from Apple I mean) only a few months after buying it.

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post #37 of 130
3/21/02 at 9:44pm
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How much does Apple have to change to warrant a whole new model? Suppose Apple increases processor speeds 25%+, and DDR ram, and increases screen resolution, and introduces built-in Bluetooth, and offers a DCD-RW drive? Would all this be done in TiBook rev(s) or does Apple introduce The Next Big Thing?

When Jobs introduced the TiBook he said it had "sex". It does, but at this point it needs more muscle.
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post #38 of 130
3/21/02 at 10:05pm
computers get updated allllllllll the time. if you buy a pc now, then next month it will be out dated. you got to jump in sometime.

i would suggest that you wait for the next update. it will most likely be before september and should be a pretty good update.

i do agree that $3000 is a lot of money and i don't blame you. i would agree with you if i was in your situation (not as angry, though). if you wait for the next update, you won't be sorry
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post #39 of 130
3/22/02 at 7:38am
I for one will be waiting until after MWNY to by me TiBook. That is unless Apple releases their update before then. I sure hope the new revision will keep the glowing Apple logo behind the screen. I sure don't want to see a chrome Apple symbol like seen on the new iMac and the new 23inch display.
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post #40 of 130
3/22/02 at 10:48am
what do I expect? Ummm.....

1. 1600x1024 15.2" screen. just the same res. as the gorgeous SGI 1600SW LCD display.
2. more advanced fabricated PowerPC G4, say 0.15 fabrication. IMHO, the current Powerbook G4 generates too much heat.
3. move the optical drive to the right, just like the ice iBook.
4. move the ports of firewire, USB, ethernet, blah, blah, blah,,, to the left, just like the ice iBook.
5. as for graphic chip, ATi radeon mobility 7500 with 32 MB DDR would be nice.
6. with 2 MB L3-cache.

7. all the others can go with the current PowerBook G4 design.
8. Oooops, if the entrance level PowerBook G4 will cost under 2000 bucks will be even better.
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