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post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'm just curious why Apple wouldn't have met their goal...

Because China is an insane place. Let this be a cautionary note to all the world governments saying "we should be more like China and do well like them". At what price?
post #42 of 62
if you keep trying to "improve" your image on others mind, you would never be yourselves. you are who you are. if ppl don't like you, no matter how hard you try and how good you are, they just simply don't like you.

your friend does not like shanghai after living there 5 years, while my friend does not like japan because he thinks it the raciest place on this planet. it is ok since it is their personal opinions and hopefully their experiences do not represent majority.

if 5% of our society are assholes, in US there will be 15million a-holes, while in china, there are 60million of them. so statistically one could easily bump into one or bunch of them in a short period of time.

peace, man.
post #43 of 62
give me a break.
25 years ago in 1987, were you in china, you would be treated like a rare specie there. were you there at the time, you would have special treat even though you were a college foreign student. you don't share much with locals as you lived in a sheltered glass. yes, you would venture out to see local chinese way of life occasionally. yes you would deal some hassles here or there. but do you understand that those local chinese would have to deal those hassles every day? it looks like now that all you experience there ended up as trashing them because they had certain way of doing things different from you.
post #44 of 62
How soon we forget the recent riots at Penn State, on Black Fridays or at the Mall of America.

Let alone at music concerts.

And re:
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Originally posted by AppleInsider
…in-line waiters and scalpers…

Since when did we accept the fact that, whether they be Chinese, American, or any other nationality, they are customers?
post #45 of 62
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Originally Posted by anakin1992 View Post

my friend does not like japan because he thinks it the raciest place on this planet.

Japan's too sexy for him?
post #46 of 62
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

Too bad there's so much trouble for iPhone sales. Getting an iPhone should be a happy occasion. In the U.S. the crowds and lines seem rather tame and civil. i've only been to a couple of Apple store openings and everyone around me seemed to be having a grand old time. I'd always heard that American were the pushy and forceful ones and the Chinese are into some calm Zen space.

In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.

Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.
post #47 of 62
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.

Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.

Wow really impressive, that's not the case in France.
post #48 of 62
In other news Microsoft has been dragging people into it's store......
post #49 of 62
I'm not sure it's a question of manners. For the scalpers, maybe their livelihood is as stake? So of course they are going to be pushy and insistent. In the US, maybe most people in line have an office job, and are just there for a bit of fun.
post #50 of 62
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

In most countries around the world, people dont seem to understand the concept of a line.

Here in Montreal, a line will automaticly form up at a bus station. In a lot of countries, a pack of disorganise people is what happens.

In China, they are aware of the concept of "pai dui" (line up), but it is considered to be a display of uncommon civility (imposed by the government perhaps). It is not a baseline expectation. In my view, in the West, we western hotheads had many fights to the death about standing in line. We have some dim awareness that if we thronged like Chinese mobs, we would start raging on each other pretty quickly. There is also the charitable view that China is crowded, so they have to tolerate personal space issues because of that.
post #51 of 62
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Originally Posted by Drax7 View Post

Don't blame the customer, scalpers pay for the product just like anybody else. Apple truly botched this situation, Steve would have been pissed. Some head must roll. Let us see if Cook can handle it.

Scalpers cheat their way to the product. Many of the scalpers operate in organized groups and gangs. They are simple thugs and criminals who deserve to get their asses kicked.
post #52 of 62
what you mentioned are the points. do you think chinese don't like the bigger and spacious environment like us here? but the question is whether they can afford it! can you tell me how you can maintain your civility in a crowded/packed train where you can not even move? it is not just for a hour of torture, but tens of hours. if you don't want it, you don't even have choice to choose in certain special time, such as chinese new year. of course they have choice not to go home to avoid hassles. but it is their only option to meet their family once per year.

being a foreign student in china in old days was a privileged one. let us stop here by not going to far. yes, you could speak chinese or mingle away chinese, but you might not be able to understand their feelings on many things. unless one can live like them and worry like them and be anxious like them, we might not be able to put out our own judgement in a reasonable sense.

we like to stretch out to extra limit. living in china is one of the extreme and in my humble opinion chinese are great at living their lives in limited resources. though i do disagree with them on lots, i do respect them immensely.

yes, you are much more senior than me. please forgive my bluntness as a feeble youth for what i have said.
post #53 of 62
These are the same people who build your iPhones, iFans.

The ones that threaten mass suicide, too.

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post #54 of 62
Customers are customers, having them wait on line in the cold without letting them know before hand that the product in not available is criminal. Then calling the police and arresting them is a capital offense.

This is so bad, Steve must be turning in his grave. They should have taken down the ID of those in line and offered them a 20% discount on a future purchase when the product is in stock. Horrible pr job as it stands.

Somebody will be fired.
post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by Drax7 View Post

the product in not available

So where does it say that?

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #56 of 62
just to even things out, when i'm in line this year for my iphone 5 i will punch the chinese person standing next to me.
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post #57 of 62
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Originally Posted by Pooch View Post

just to even things out, when i'm in line this year for my [6th-generation iPhone] i will punch the chinese person standing next to me.

Yeah, that's an appropriate response.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #58 of 62
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Originally Posted by 801 View Post

I would think that this does not bode well for chinese culture in the long run.

My thoughts also. Does anyone remember the news article about the chinese toddler that was run over by a truck and no one stopped to help her? They kept walking right past her and a second vehicle hit her also. She didn't make it, but it makes you wonder how well Communism teaches morality to the people. I have always thought that it is actually morals learned at church and home that allow a society to advance.
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by SixnaHalfFeet View Post

My thoughts also. Does anyone remember the news article about the chinese toddler that was run over by a truck and no one stopped to help her? They kept walking right past her and a second vehicle hit her also. She didn't make it, but it makes you wonder how well Communism teaches morality to the people. I have always thought that it is actually morals learned at church and home that allow a society to advance.

True communism has never existed. China has never been a Communist nation. No Communist nation has truly been a Communist nation.

Also political ideologies don't really attempt to touch morality.
post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by SixnaHalfFeet View Post

My thoughts also. Does anyone remember the news article about the chinese toddler that was run over by a truck and no one stopped to help her? They kept walking right past her and a second vehicle hit her also. She didn't make it, but it makes you wonder how well Communism teaches morality to the people. I have always thought that it is actually morals learned at church and home that allow a society to advance.

As the say about living in glass houses…

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Dying man left on pavement for two hours as shoppers walk around him
Last updated at 6:32 PM on 24th May 2010

Shoppers walked past a dying man as he lay helpless on the pavement.
The man, in his 50s, was slumped outside a busy row of shops in Eastfield Road, Peterborough,for nearly two hours before someone finally came to his aid.

A passer-by eventually dialled 999 after approaching the man to see if he needed help.

Good Samaritan Left for Dead on City Sidewalk[/URL]
April 25, 2010

On a Queens, N.Y., sidewalk last Sunday…a woman is followed by a man, who then appears to accost her.

Tale-Yax walks toward them. What can't be seen is him being stabbed several times in the torso while trying to save the woman. Within seconds, the camera captures the apparent attacker running away.

A minute later, a potential good Samaritan walks right by. And so does the next person and the one after that. A procession of more than 20 people seem to notice and fail to help. One man pulls out his cell phone, but instead of dialing 911, he snaps a picture. Another man nudges Tale-Yax, rolls him over twice, seems to see blood, but then walks away. For nearly an hour and a half, Tale-Yax lay there until someone finally called for help.

N.Y. Isn't First City Where Bystanders Ignore Injured Man

Sadly, what that New York security camera captured has been seen before.

In Seattle in January, a 15-year-old girl was brutally beaten, knocked unconscious and robbed by a group of teenagers while three security guards stood by and watched.

In Hartford, Conn., a 78-year-old man was hit by a car as he crossed a street in 2008. The driver never stopped. A total of 10 vehicles drove by as he laid in the middle of the road, bleeding from the head.

…in Washington, D.C., in 2003, a man was shot at a gas station. Instead of calling for help, the witness finished pumping kerosene into a can, paid and drove off.

But then again, you may be right, i.e., obviously, they are must have undergone communist teaching.
post #61 of 62
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

It's not the people, it's the institution. Beijing is the capital of China, and it's basically a place in which rule of law means nothing, and only the strong (in terms of political influence) rule. That's why lot's of people there have no manner - because there's no incentive to have manner. If you're the strong one, you get whatever you want, no need to be nice. If you're the weak one, you have to 'look tough' by being rude and aggressive because that's the only thing left to defend yourself from the rulers.

That rationale breaks down in so many places it's not even worth trying to address it.
post #62 of 62
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in other news microsoft has been dragging people into it's store......

+1!!!
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