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The chief executive of ARM, which supplies the reference designs for Apple's custom chips found in the iPhone and iPad, has said he doesn't view Intel's newly unveiled smartphone and tablet chips as competitive.

ARM Holdings Chief Executive Warren East said in an interview with Reuters at the Consumer Electronics Show this week that Intel's latest Atom-based mobile chips are "good enough," but don't match up with ARM's reference designs.

"They (Intel) have taken some designs that were never meant for mobile phones and they've literally wrenched those designs and put them in a power-performance space which is roughly good enough for mobile phones," he said.

When it was developing the iPad, Apple originally utilized Intel's low-power Atom processor, but ultimately determined that the Atom wasn't efficient enough to run its touchscreen tablet. Instead, the company developed its own custom silicon in the form of the A4 processor, which is based on ARM's designs.

With most mobile devices now powered by ARM's low-power, low cost chips, Intel is attempting to muscle its way into a market where its presence has been limited, particularly compared to the traditional computing landscape it has dominated for years.

At CES, Intel unveiled its new Atom Z2460 "Medfield" platform designed for smartphones and tablets. Motorola Mobility and Lenovo also announced plans to build devices based on Intel's new Atom mobile processor.




As Intel looks to gain ground in the smartphone and tablet space, ARM is poised to chip away at Intel's control of the traditional computing market. That's because the next major version of Microsoft's operating system, Windows 8, will offer compatibility with machines powered by ARM-based processors.

There was even a rumor last May that Apple had secretly built a prototype MacBook Air powered by the same A5 processor found in the iPad 2 and iPhone 4S. It was said that Apple officials were impressed by the results, as the test machine performed "better than expected."
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I have some doubts about their performance per Watt but they certainly have made some huge leaps.

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The proof will be when we are able to compare contemporaneously shipping products from both companies. Right now there are no shipping products with Intel's new chip and Intel is making performance claims relative to ARM chips that are in currently shipping products. If we compared ARMs future products to Intel's currently shipping products ARM would look a lot better.

We've seen this dance play out between Intel and AMD for years, and it's always the same -- you don't really know until you've got shipping versions of both products in front of you.
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I eventually see Apple releasing a low end line of computers using ARM. Not everyone needs compatibility, especially casual users. The OS will be based off Mac OS X and will fall between Apple's current lines. I see a simple interface (a la iOS) where apps take up the entire screen ( a la Lion's full screen mode). There will be three models; a desktop (Mac mini like), an all-in-one, and a an Air like laptop. Each of these will be priced 200-300 cheaper than their Mac counterparts. Apps in the iOS App Store that are compatible with iPad's "retina" display will be able to run on these new computers.
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The problem really is that no-one wants Intel in this space, except Intel. The whole ARM eco-system is carefully balanced, with multiple players offering slightly different designs and options (Qualcomm, nVidia, Apple's own A5 etc), which means choice and variety and ultimately super-low cost chips.

Intel isn't offering anything new - there really no incentive to switch and every reason to be deeply suspicious. Afterall, Intel have spent more than 10 years trying to get a decent GPU out of the door, and still haven't managed that!

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I eventually see Apple releasing a low end line of computers using ARM. Not everyone needs compatibility, especially casual users. The OS will be based off Mac OS X and will fall between Apple's current lines. I see a simple interface (a la iOS) where apps take up the entire screen ( a la Lion's full screen mode). There will be three models; a desktop (Mac mini like), an all-in-one, and a an Air like laptop. Each of these will be priced 200-300 cheaper than their Mac counterparts. Apps in the iOS App Store that are compatible with iPad's "retina" display will be able to run on these new computers.

Sounds like what you are describing is pretty much what the iPad is made for. If you're going to make a laptop that is not compatible with any of the apps available to traditional laptops, it needs to be something like the Transformer Prime or such. But seeing as how Apple is all about minimizing/eliminating complexity, I doubt we'd ever see something like that from them, especially with how well the iPad is selling.
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I eventually see Apple releasing a low end line of computers using ARM. Not everyone needs compatibility, especially casual users. The OS will be based off Mac OS X and will fall between Apple's current lines. I see a simple interface (a la iOS) where apps take up the entire screen ( a la Lion's full screen mode). There will be three models; a desktop (Mac mini like), an all-in-one, and a an Air like laptop. Each of these will be priced 200-300 cheaper than their Mac counterparts. Apps in the iOS App Store that are compatible with iPad's "retina" display will be able to run on these new computers.

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apple is going to go into the low cost computer market soon and it's going to be ARM and some sort of super iOS

500,000 apps in the app store and a lot of them can be changed to run on a regular computer

my guess is the next 3-5 years since ARM isn't there yet in terms of power. but soon apple will be able to make a laptop and still take home 30% margins at a $500 price level
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I eventually see Apple releasing a low end line of computers using ARM. Not everyone needs compatibility, especially casual users. The OS will be based off Mac OS X and will fall between Apple's current lines. I see a simple interface (a la iOS) where apps take up the entire screen ( a la Lion's full screen mode). There will be three models; a desktop (Mac mini like), an all-in-one, and a an Air like laptop. Each of these will be priced 200-300 cheaper than their Mac counterparts. Apps in the iOS App Store that are compatible with iPad's "retina" display will be able to run on these new computers.

seriously??? apple will never do something like that and u know why? because they already have the iPad that runs the IOS apps and it is almost the same size as the 11 inch AIR. and why would they add at least 10 new products to their MAC lineup to just run iPad apps?
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I eventually see Apple releasing a low end line of computers using ARM. Not everyone needs compatibility, especially casual users. The OS will be based off Mac OS X and will fall between Apple's current lines. I see a simple interface (a la iOS) where apps take up the entire screen ( a la Lion's full screen mode). There will be three models; a desktop (Mac mini like), an all-in-one, and a an Air like laptop. Each of these will be priced 200-300 cheaper than their Mac counterparts. Apps in the iOS App Store that are compatible with iPad's "retina" display will be able to run on these new computers.

Not a chance on the dumb down Mac with a simplified iOS UI. The ARM processors are evolving in the embedded world. Intel has a lot to concern itself about on two fronts: ARM and AMD. Apple is in a position to plug n' play both, along with Intel.
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As others have pointed out, Intel's new chip is only competitive with last year's ARM chips. There is really no compelling reason for smartphone makers to switch. All Intel has achieved is to finally make a chip that's actually plausible to put in a smartphone.

Now you know where I can see interesting possibilities for this chip? The MacBook Air. If the rumours of Apple testing an ARM Macbook Air are true, they're looking for a lower power/lower performance option. This chip (or its descendants) would be perfect since it avoids the whole MacOS X ARM App compatibility issue.
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why would they add at least 10 new products to their MAC lineup to just run iPad apps?

The implication is that OS X proper will move to ARM, not that any Mac will ever run any iOS apps.

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The problem really is that no-one wants Intel in this space, except Intel. The whole ARM eco-system is carefully balanced, with multiple players offering slightly different designs and options (Qualcomm, nVidia, Apple's own A5 etc), which means choice and variety and ultimately super-low cost chips.

Intel isn't offering anything new - there really no incentive to switch and every reason to be deeply suspicious. Afterall, Intel have spent more than 10 years trying to get a decent GPU out of the door, and still haven't managed that!

You forget the software players, notably, Microsoft - who's quite comfortable with Intel. Of course, Microsoft has also spent 10+ years trying to get into the mobile space.

This of course, dovetails very tightly with Windows 8 tablets and fending off Apple's recent incursion into the PC space with the iPad.
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seriously??? apple will never do something like that and u know why? because they already have the iPad that runs the IOS apps and it is almost the same size as the 11 inch AIR. and why would they add at least 10 new products to their MAC lineup to just run iPad apps?
think more before u write.


at some point in the near future the supply of people willing to pay $2000 for a 15" laptop will run out and ARM CPU's are branching out. the A15 will be a desktop class CPU

if you look at what 90% or more people do with a computer an A15 ARM based on will be more than enough. for the other 10% that code, do photoshop and play out their serial killer fantasies in games there will be intel
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As others have pointed out, Intel's new chip is only competitive with last year's ARM chips. There is really no compelling reason for smartphone makers to switch.

Sure there is. Cost. Intel will try to buy its way in by undercutting ARM in terms of cost. Intel hopes this will by it time to come up with a real contender (this is the approach Intel took when AMD was eating its lunch in terms of performance).
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These would be of most use to Microsoft, as Windows 8 on the tablet could run all past Windows apps.
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The implication is that OS X proper will move to ARM, not that any Mac will ever run any iOS apps.

Yes, that would be a more likely scenario.

The original release of Mac OS X was delayed substantially until its release in early 2001. There have been persistent rumors (never confirmed) that much of the delay was caused by Apple insisting that the code run on x86 architecture on secret Intel-based prototypes. When Apple announced their switch from PowerPC to x86 architecture in the middle of the last decade, they were able to make a relatively smooth transition to the Intel processors.

Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was described by Apple as a total under-the-hood rewrite of the operating system. It is possible that ARM support was included in a parallel source tree and that each major revision of the code much run on secret ARM-based Mac prototypes.

Of course, we will never know for sure based on Apple's penchant for secrecy, but if Apple ever does release a Mac with an ARM processor, it will likely run OS X. At that point, it is likely that Apple will give developers to generate Universal binaries (Intel and ARM code combined) or to generate thin binaries that only support one architecture. With a few tweaks to the Mac App Store, it would probably be rather simple to deliver the correct thin binary to the target machine.
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As others have pointed out, Intel's new chip is only competitive with last year's ARM chips. There is really no compelling reason for smartphone makers to switch. All Intel has achieved is to finally make a chip that's actually plausible to put in a smartphone.

Now you know where I can see interesting possibilities for this chip? The MacBook Air. If the rumours of Apple testing an ARM Macbook Air are true, they're looking for a lower power/lower performance option. This chip (or its descendants) would be perfect since it avoids the whole MacOS X ARM App compatibility issue.

Except the 2010 Air was low performance with medium battery life. People weren't complaining for more battery life in those laptops as much as more power in the Core i5/i7 line of chips. It's a nice idea, but to get the same performance in a much lower power envelope, I think it's going to be several years at least. And while it makes for a nice prototype, it's horrible business sense as I doubt think there's enough power in an ARM chip to go down the Rosetta path and emulate x86 on ARM. Microsoft didn't do that for a reason, the performance would be horrible.
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Intel is "the Microsoft of hardware": They kinda suck (especially on integrated graphics), but stay afloat because everyone and their mother is locked in.

A bit of an overstatement, I admit, but you can see the analogy...
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Sure there is. Cost. Intel will try to buy its way in by undercutting ARM in terms of cost. Intel hopes this will by it time to come up with a real contender (this is the approach Intel took when AMD was eating its lunch in terms of performance).

Apple's cost to ARM is already absorbed. Samsung, TSMC and other giant fabs are far more advanced than Intel in this space. Their cost margins will not be knee capped by Intel. Intel doesn't have the capital to lose to attempt such a suicide mission.
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Sure there is. Cost. Intel will try to buy its way in by undercutting ARM in terms of cost. Intel hopes this will by it time to come up with a real contender (this is the approach Intel took when AMD was eating its lunch in terms of performance).

Well from what I'm reading, at launch the Medfield will cost roughly double the equivalent ARM processor. That's a huge loss to swallow, especially since Intel is still a year behind. It sounds like it won't be until 2014 when their new processes could allow them to really surpass ARM performance (and even that's assuming 1. the new process is actually put in place on time and 2. ARM makes no big performance gains in the meantime).
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at some point in the near future the supply of people willing to pay $2000 for a 15" laptop will run out and ARM CPU's are branching out. the A15 will be a desktop class CPU

if you look at what 90% or more people do with a computer an A15 ARM based on will be more than enough. for the other 10% that code, do photoshop and play out their serial killer fantasies in games there will be intel

You have this vision that the iPad is going to decline in cost as it's performance and features escalate. The iPad 3 will be no less expensive than it already is and when you add the additional features to the iPad you surpass the baseline cost of the mac mini.

People will continue to buy $2k laptops as they continue to evolve in capabilities as well.

Those current displays will double and quadruple in resolution and get thinner. The batteries will double and triple in performance. The base line GB size will double and quadruple for standard models.

iPads and iPhones/iPods are mass mobile consumption devices, mobile mcca devices for the enterprise where all information is centrally located on a network of replicated servers. The laptop will continue just like the desktop to be the area of mass productivity for reports, number crunching, graphics, engineering, etc.

The iPad fills the void that the laptop nor the desktop could fulfill. It doesn't replace them.
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Unless I'm mistaken, aren't Intel's chips significantly more expensive than using ARM's license and adding modifications like Apple does? Whether or not it can achieve the same performance profile seems a bit beside the point, unless it can do so at a really low price.
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seriously??? apple will never do something like that and u know why? because they already have the iPad that runs the IOS apps and it is almost the same size as the 11 inch AIR. and why would they add at least 10 new products to their MAC lineup to just run iPad apps?
think more before u write.

I can not really judge which of you are more wrong...because none of us know the future of Apple's products....however I think the person did have a point though...if Microsoft is putting their OS on ARM processors, then Apple will probably do the same following after Microsoft and implementing it "better". iOS is a mini OS X and the platforms look like they are converging to one...only time will tell...It's the battle of the ecosystems.
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Except the 2010 Air was low performance with medium battery life. People weren't complaining for more battery life in those laptops as much as more power in the Core i5/i7 line of chips. It's a nice idea, but to get the same performance in a much lower power envelope, I think it's going to be several years at least. And while it makes for a nice prototype, it's horrible business sense as I doubt think there's enough power in an ARM chip to go down the Rosetta path and emulate x86 on ARM. Microsoft didn't do that for a reason, the performance would be horrible.

Oh I agree it'll take time, but it avoids the whole x86 emulation thing. That's why it could actually work. I also don't see an issue with performance, it obviously would be targeting those who want a cheaper price rather than more horsepower. I know Apple never aims for the bottom, but with the price of laptops these days Apple needs to do better than $999, for 11" at that. I can go to Best Buy and buy a 15" Windows laptop for $350. Maybe something like an 11" Medfield for $699 and a 13" Medfield for $999? They'd still be charging double the price of a low-end PC.

Edit: Apple really has a gap at their low end, ever since cutting the white MacBook. You used to be able to get a $999 laptop with a 13" display, decent processor and decent storage. Now you need to either pay an extra $250 to go Pro and get a 13" display, or you're stuck with an 11" display, slower processor and small storage. I could swallow that if I was paying less, but not for $1k.
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You have this vision that the iPad is going to decline in cost as it's performance and features escalate. The iPad 3 will be no less expensive than it already is and when you add the additional features to the iPad you surpass the baseline cost of the mac mini.

People will continue to buy $2k laptops as they continue to evolve in capabilities as well.

Those current displays will double and quadruple in resolution and get thinner. The batteries will double and triple in performance. The base line GB size will double and quadruple for standard models.

iPads and iPhones/iPods are mass mobile consumption devices, mobile mcca devices for the enterprise where all information is centrally located on a network of replicated servers. The laptop will continue just like the desktop to be the area of mass productivity for reports, number crunching, graphics, engineering, etc.

The iPad fills the void that the laptop nor the desktop could fulfill. It doesn't replace them.


how do you get photos on an ipad? computer
how do you get your own music on an ipad? computer
how about decent photo editing? computer
where do you store 50GB of personal music? computer
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? computer
how do you get data onto an ipad? computer
how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

the $500 tablet market is almost tapped out as well, the $200 - $300 market is where it's at next. even apple has a 3-5 year lag period from releasing a high end product to going low end. that's why amazon chose the $199 price level. they got there before apple planned to

even the mac app store has a lot of apps that are nothing more than ios recompiles at 3 times the price. right now the $500 price point is a sweet spot for laptops with 15" screens. An ARM based Macbook with a super iOS at $500 will kill dell and hp
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Sure there is. Cost. Intel will try to buy its way in by undercutting ARM in terms of cost. Intel hopes this will by it time to come up with a real contender (this is the approach Intel took when AMD was eating its lunch in terms of performance).

I don't think price controls decisions as much at this point in the technology ramp-up.
Once performance/power consumption/features have stabilized, in a few years, then device makers will be willing to offer performance/price trade-offs. But not yet.
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You forget the software players, notably, Microsoft - who's quite comfortable with Intel. Of course, Microsoft has also spent 10+ years trying to get into the mobile space.

This of course, dovetails very tightly with Windows 8 tablets and fending off Apple's recent incursion into the PC space with the iPad.

Actually I am very much thinking of the software. Microsoft, whether they like it or not, are now relatively small players in this market, and Windows8 that you mention is going to be the first desktop version of Windows to be compiled for RISC (specifically ARM).

Android, RIM, iOS and the rapidly shrinking Symbian/Linux derivatives all compile on ARM, and there are optimized variations of ARM references for each of these. Intel is unlikely to offer custom hardware or optimized designs for anyone (except maybe MS, but I doubt that now).

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Intel have an amazing R&D facility. I don't think it is inconceivable that we will have i7 2600 type performance in mobile devices in another three years maybe. And lets not forget, nothing is stopping Apple from using these chips as well, just like they did on the desktop.

More interesting is when battery technology evolves to the point making it feasable to have discrete powerful GPU's in phones. It may even be possible to configure your phone online like you will with a PC. You want SLI Nvidia GPU's and a six core Extreme edition phone? No problem. Add to that the current ability of mobile devices to allow console controllers AND output HDMI 1080P video on a TV and you may just have a pocketable PS4 in your hands.

You can pay for just as much phone/tablet as you want to. from a basic 500 ipad4 to a suped, up speced up three GPU SLI ipad4 "extreme edition" for 1500. The performance would be mind boggling.

And trust me......if they make it, people WILL buy it. There is a market for people who want super powerful mobile devices.
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how do you get photos on an ipad? computer
how do you get your own music on an ipad? computer
how about decent photo editing? computer
where do you store 50GB of personal music? computer
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? computer
how do you get data onto an ipad? computer
how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

You know that you can do much of this stuff via iCloud, iTunes Store, iTunes Match, Dropbox, and other cloud services?

The iPad is not replacing a household's sole computer. However, it is probably taking precedence over a second, third, or fourth PC.
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how do you get photos on an ipad? Wireless... iPhone, to cloud to iPad
how do you get your own music on an ipad? Download from iTunes or website. MP3s work natively on iPad from a browser
how about decent photo editing? computer
where do you store 50GB of personal music? iPad or cloud
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? computer - how many people really use RAW?
how do you get data onto an ipad? computer
how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

I'll give you 3/9 for that really.

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The iPad is not replacing a household's sole computer. However, it is probably taking precedence over a second, third, or fourth PC.


and that's the point. the vast majority of computers are still Wintel. only reason i bought a macbook was my wife wanted one. otherwise 2 iphones and an ipad 2 will work perfectly on a cheap laptop to hold my data.

most of those cheap laptop owners are not going to pay $2000 for a 15" MBP.

at some point in the near future a 15" ARM laptop with a 1TB or so hard drive at a $500 price point will be possible with 30% margins and Apple will be there. compared to the MBP the MBA screen already looks like crap and those buyers don't seem to care so it's not like apple has to have a nice screen for those
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how do you get photos on an ipad? Wireless... iPhone, to cloud to iPad
how do you get your own music on an ipad? Download from iTunes or website. MP3s work natively on iPad from a browser
how about decent photo editing? computer
where do you store 50GB of personal music? iPad or cloud
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? computer - how many people really use RAW?
how do you get data onto an ipad? computer
how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

I'll give you 3/9 for that really.

iphone to ipad via icloud compresses the photos, is only 30 days and anything else costs money. i have 80GB or so of photos all in jpg

as smartphone penetration increases most people are on capped data plans. streaming your entire collection is not feasible. and for those of us in NYC there is this tunnel problem for the subway. and with no computer how do you put music in icloud that you bought on amazon? or somewhere else?
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Just getting back to Intel vs ARM. I for one am glad to see Intel getting in the game. Competition is good for everyone. If this makes Intel get off their butt and put out competitive products I'm all for it and only good can come out of a Intel vs ARM trying to one up each other. ARM may be in the lead, but Intel certainly has the cash to make this an interesting match.
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how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

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Do you have any data to support this contention? We know that the Wintel OEMs are seeing their sales lag because customers are buying tablets rather than laptops and desktops.
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Do you have any data to support this contention? We know that the Wintel OEMs are seeing their sales lag because customers are buying tablets rather than laptops and desktops.

I agree to an extent. Honestly if you are old and don't plan to do anything more than e-mail, the odd youtube clip and play solitare, a PC isn't needed.

However, as soon as you get into wantingh to do any photo editing, movie editing, excel, writing long papers.....a tablet isn't up to it. Not to mention that I just cant stand the small screen. I use a 23" monitor which i'm actually thinking about upgrading. I can use two word documents side by side, can see much more of the excel spreadsheet, etc. Oh, and constant pinch to zoom on the web cause even at ten inches i still find text too straining to read without zooming.

If someone came out with a 14 inch tablet i just might bite though.....
Like it or not, you have to hand it to android OEM's. They make stuff for a market that apple constantly tells them doesn't exist. Who would have thought a phone with a huge 4.3, or as is teh trend now, 4.5 and larger, screen would have such a market to sell in the millions? Can't wait for someone to say "screw it, 14 inch tablet.....DO IT"
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These would be of most use to Microsoft, as Windows 8 on the tablet could run all past Windows apps.

Windows 8 + crippled x86 chips will not change Microsoft's tablet fortunes. Windows tablets equipped with x86 chips have existed since the early 1990s. The most recent attempts were the UMPC version. They can run all past Windows apps. You can buy a Samsung tablet with a Core i5 and Windows 7 that will run ancient apps. Microsoft thinks a new UI and new chip would turn a Windows laptop into an iPad? Sounds like the vision of a man named Steve "Tablets are PCs too" Ballmer.

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... Windows8 that you mention is going to be the first desktop version of Windows to be compiled for RISC (specifically ARM).

In addition to x86, the initial releases of Windows NT (a desktop OS) were compiled for MIPS and DEC Alpha (both RISC designs).

Windows NT 3.51 and Windows NT 4.0 saw the period with the largest simultaneously supported CPU base (4 architectures), which included 3 RISC designs: Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC. From the very beginning, the Windows NT kernel was designed to be cross-platform compatible.
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how do you get photos on an ipad? computer
how do you get your own music on an ipad? computer
how about decent photo editing? computer
where do you store 50GB of personal music? computer
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? computer
how do you get data onto an ipad? computer
how many people are dumping their computers for tablets? almost zero

While I agree that the computer is 'still' where most stuff happens, I think it's more appropriate to begin readjusting our use of terminology. i.e.;

how do you get photos on an ipad? access personal server or iCloud
how do you get your own music on an ipad? personal server or iCloud (via iTunes match)
how about decent photo editing? computer for professional use, majority - red eye and enhance is usually sufficient enough.
where do you store 50GB of personal music? server or none at all via iTunes match
where do you store the master copies of your photos in a non compressed bastardized format? server
how do you get data onto an ipad? personal server or iCloud
how many people are dumping (converting) their computers for (into) servers and using portable devices to access home server? one for sure , and predicting many to most in the next 5 - 10 years.

Cheers.
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