Religious Atrocity Vol 2: "No prayer banner in school? Threaten a teenager!"

I'm sure those social media posts are representative of the majority of people of faith.

What is there to condemn? People who think they are posting anonymously acting like assholes? Have seriously read even half the comments on any YouTube video?

If there's a threat, the powers that be will investigate that. In the meantime freedom of speech goes both ways and that means she doesn't have to see some words about a prayer at her school, but she does have, if she chooses to click to them or engage them, read them on the internet.

What it takes is for the religious leadership in that community to explain to those people making such threats and hateful comments that they are not acting as Christians, and they do far more to harm Christians than the girl has done. Why hasn't that happened? The answer to that question is the substance of BR's very valid point.

Yes, and how do we know they are Christians? How do we know they go to that school? How do we know they are members of that community? How do we know they are even real people?

Yes, and how do we know they are Christians? How do we know they go to that school? How do we know they are members of that community? How do we know they are even real people?

Where is the proof? Think on that.

I'm pretty sure those were ALL muslims, and a Muslim prayer.

If they are not real, and even of they are not Christians, does it do any harm for the Christian leaders to speak up?

Plausable deniability is an has always been the right wing mantra. You should be used to it by now.

It is disgusting what is happening in the school system today regarding this religious bullshit of theirs. Pray to whoever you want to and don't listen to these phony ass religious zealots telling you what to do. I praise this girl whole heartily what she did.

When is the last time you saw a leader of any organization speak up about comments on Twitter, Facebook, or YouTube?

I can find a thousand hateful comments towards any group you care to think about, a week on YouTube. It's called the law of large numbers. Twitter has 200 million tweets per day. On ANY given day some percentage of them are going to hateful towards someone about any attribute you can think about and the point is that will be true everyday. Half of one percent of Christians, or Women, or Hispanics, or whatever group you care to think about could express hateful thoughts and it will still be a few hundred comments per day out of 200 million.

This entire thread is classic exception as the rule thinking. That in addition to being stupid enough to make the logical leap of tarring an entire religion and all who believe it from a few tweets.

You know who I know that is a leader and is religious, Barack Obama. Let's read the nice posts from you and BR condemning him and declaring that since he hasn't spoken about or responded to these tweets, that he is doing harm, and tacitly promoting hate within the country.


Your inability to see the whole picture is a damn dangerous thing given your utopia mindset and your desire to accuse and harm others who disagree with you.

As always, you've in no form or fashion proven these tweets are the "overwhelming" number of tweets on the matter. You say people flip their shit, but that's where you are wrong. A tweet isn't "flipping your shit." Your sense of disproportion is just mind-boggling. Is one of the reasons you are so angry is because a girl passed you a note when you were growing up, and you took it as a solicitation for sex and raped her? Are you writing to us from prison? That is about the level of disproportion you are talking about here. You are taking a tweet and making it the same as action. That's just insane.

There's a reason for that, silly. These are a new part of society. There was NO Twitter three years ago (to speak of). There was no Facebook four years ago (to speak of). Today, these things actually matter. Yesterday, they didn't.

Even if we don't respond officially to hateful tweets now, it won't be long before someone responsible does so in the future. Clearly this is a case where something should be said.

How ironic.

Clearly no one is going to say this because Twitter is not an organization with leaders of groups who then use it for the purpose of speech. You're not even in the realm of the reasonable and are literally just pissing in the wind at this point. This like asking the Governor of California to apologize for something someone heard down at the local doughnut shop because they are both old, white guys.

Yeah, you're probably right. Religious, community and political leaders never ever say anything condemning the media, or the general public's unaffiliated individual statements or attitudes. Never.

None of those things are tweets. Stop with the strawmen.

Tweets are the new media. The new public opinion. Stop being so daft.

No tweets are the new doughnut shop and if you want to find out what the public is talking about aka what is trending then instead of going to the diner or doughnut shop, what the media goes to is Twitter. Twitter is the new "man on the street."

That doesn't mean the president or leaders of any organization are under an obligation to respond to or condemn any statement you can find someone making on the street aka the general public.

Me not expressing outrage at the deluded postings of angry teenagers equates to tacit approval of their comments? That's rich.

Who is they? You've only been asked to clarify this about a dozen times.

The people posting their opinion, including people who have access to the girl's address. Why does that matter to you? Oh... because you don't have a fucking argument.

Crazy concept, when you accuse someone of doing something, we should know who is being accused.

I know that may be odd to you, especially when painting entire groups with that broad brush of yours, but most people like claims supported with information.

I read that there are tweets where this girl was already murdered, her body was chopped up, and fed to cats in the park.

I don't have to say who did that. I don't have to show it is true. It must be because I asserted it. If you don't believe me it is because "you don't have a fucking argument."

You're just sad tonton.

Again. Moronic. This is the thinking of a child.

You don't need to accuse anyone in particular when you condemn a heinous act that happens to be anonymous.

It isn't anonymous. This thread does not declare that anonymous people made a threat. The thread declares "a bunch of Christians" made the threats. You didn't ask for anonymous leadership to address the threats. You asked for Christian leaders to address the threats.

Your desperation is showing.

Oh, puhleeze.

Truth sucks. Your own words and BR's as well mean you can't hide from the fact that your claims and demands weren't to anonymous.

It's a public school, hence why the ruling happened in the first place.

How does that make them Christian? Both the articles you linked to merely called them students. You are making a logical leap. The video you link to, Jessica herself calls the tweets "petty" and "immature" and "ridiculous" and declares it "pointless to give them the time of day."

Perhaps you should follow her wishes.

No, he'd rather state that we agree with the comments and find them perfectly appropriate because we haven't expressed enough outrage.

Actually if you were honest, you'd call it the public being the public.

It is a public school. It reflects the values of government institutional thinking. One poem with a couple words from 40 years ago has no reflection on that. The public mob doesn't like what is happening and is taking it out on the extreme minority who enforces what they desire on the entire mob.

Call it the 99% getting back at the 1%. Call them the OCCUPY movement. The mob, really doesn't have an agenda, they are just tired of being told what to do by that one percent.

Oh wait, the reasoning doesn't apply there? Irony sucks doesn't it.

My first concern is Twitter and Facebook. I can see a good use of it by companies but I've pretty much deactivated my own Twitter and Facebook. People are just not able to use it responsibly.

Of course, before cyber-bullying there was real physical and emotional bullying.

That said, of course those Twitter and Facebook postings are terrible.

If by law it has been decided that public schools should be agnostic, then they should be agnostic. If you put up a Christian prayer, then that would mean anyone else can quote the Quran, put a Hindu idol in the corner, etc.

If a school is Catholic then it is Catholic. If it is Methodist then it is Methodist. If it is not a religious school, then it's not.

If people are upset with this, then there are two reasonable avenues, which I am fine with. Firstly, change the law itself, so that the administration of a public school can decide what religion they want to embrace in the context of school life. Christianity, Islam, New Age, Atheist, whatever.

In fact, for the 21st Century, how about all public schools simply saying, "We embrace the spiritual path that all children decide to explore, even if it is that of purely secular ideals". If you put up a Christian banner then at least once a month Muslims, Hindus, Atheists and whoever else can have their own sections in the school to display and talk about their beliefs.

Good for you in donating. This is sheer crap by telling the students what to say with this prayer nonsense!These other people you posted and twittered are nothing but bigots and fanatics!I thought the Christians were loving and forgiving people another bull crap lie!