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Rumors surrounding Apple's upcoming iPad 3 have been swirling as an expected March launch date quickly approaches, and now sources say the yet-to-be-announced tablet will include LTE and be made by Chinese manufacturer Foxconn.

Citing information from three Chinese sources close to the matter, Bloomberg on Friday said that the iPad 3 entered mass production earlier in January, and Apple's Chinese manufacturing partners are working around the clock to get the highly-anticipated product out by March.

One of the sources claims that manufacture is quickly ramping up and should reach full volumes by February. Factories are expected to take a break during China's Lunar New Year, and will hit peak capacity shortly following the holiday.

Sources also corroborated previous rumors that the iPad 3 will feature a new quad-core processor, LTE functionality and a high-resolution Retina Display that has more pixels than some high-definition TVs.

LTE compatibility has been rumored since a line of code was found in GSM iPhone 4 and iPad 2 builds of iOS 5, and there have been ongoing rumblings of a Retina Display being developed akin to the one found on the iPhone 4.

Apple has yet to announce any work on a new processor, but Samsung is expected to supply the company with a next-generation A6 quad-core CPU that was rumored to be in testing since August 2011.

The company refused to comment on availability, but rumors of a March release have remained stable and pictures of alleged parts for the tablet continue to crop up.
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... Oh Joy. Proud owner of iPad 1 and 2. Can't wait till this things announced! Retina display will be beautiful.
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Sweetness. LTE launch in Austin just in time. Any bets if T will continue to honor the unlimited?
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Sweetness. LTE launch in Austin just in time. Any bets if T will continue to honor the unlimited?

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AT&T's ticker = T

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Double res, LTE, quad core, 30 min battery life... \

::extreme sarcasm::

I am looking forward to the next iteration. I'd be happy with the current gen but with the new one likely only 2-3 months out I'm in no rush. I don't plan on replacing it every year like a few people around here, so just looking for the best bang for the buck.
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Sweetness. LTE launch in Austin just in time. Any bets if T will continue to honor the unlimited?

LTE is a different plan, so you would have to jump off the 3G unlimited into one of the new plans. I'm not positive if you would have to because you purchase an LTE device or if you would only have to if you want to take advantage of LTE speeds though.
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Don't forget iPad 3 3G will also be a world mode product. Surprised AI didn't mention that.

So only 12 models this time instead of 18, which is good news for Apple and its customers.
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Sweetness. LTE launch in Austin just in time. Any bets if T will continue to honor the unlimited?


I did not know there was ever an unlimited plan for iPad. I have unlimited for my iPhone and my AirCard in my MacPro but only the $15 dollar a month plan for my iPad.

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Apple wants to use LTE as soon as possible since they don't have to pay Nokia for it. With 28nm manufacturing the battery penalty is gone.

Its fun how the article thinks that Samsung is going to provide A6 and links to an article that TSMC had a trial run in August. It's technically impossible to take one tape out and use it on another foundry. Either the rumors about trial run at TSMC are false or the rumors about Samsung is false.

I read in june that Apple got back test wafers from TSMC from a site with good foundry knowledge. With one re-spin a trial run in August is plausible.

The most interesting will be to see what graphic core Apple will use. I would guesstimate that its PowerVR Rouge: about 10 times faster then the graphics in A5. A much needed boost for Retina display.

With Quad Core ARM15 + PowerVR Rouge the average uses will have faster Ipad3 then their desktop PC. Its time for these people to ditch their PCs and hook up an HDMI cable to Ipad + bluetooth keyboard = you have the future of computing. Especially since Apple is Merlin iOS/OSX. (something that was reported on Hardmac in April/May 2010)
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LTE is a different plan, so you would have to jump off the 3G unlimited into one of the new plans. I'm not positive if you would have to because you purchase an LTE device or if you would only have to if you want to take advantage of LTE speeds though.

I used to have unlimited 3G for my AirCard in my MBP but I just upgraded to the LTE version and I called AT&T about that exact issue and they said the unlimited plan is grandfathered in and although my old sim works fine the tech support rep said I should get a new 4G sim. Since LA is getting LTE very soon I may find out the hard way but right now I get HSPD+ just fine.

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Double res, LTE, quad core, 30 min battery life... \

::extreme sarcasm::

I am looking forward to the next iteration. I'd be happy with the current gen but with the new one likely only 2-3 months out I'm in no rush. I don't plan on replacing it every year like a few people around here, so just looking for the best bang for the buck.

28nm manufacturing take care of LTE and the SoC battery problem. Double resolution in its self does not require more power. Only if Apple uses dual back lights.

Since Apple have given Sharp over half a billion to manufacture displays for them its a good guesstimate that Apple don't have to play around with dual back lights

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LTE is a different plan, so you would have to jump off the 3G unlimited into one of the new plans. I'm not positive if you would have to because you purchase an LTE device or if you would only have to if you want to take advantage of LTE speeds though.

I still have unlimited on the iPhone from my iPhone 1 days. They did grandfather that from Edge to 3G. There a chance. I guess if they don't it'll give me the clearance to shop carriers.
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I won't be surprised at all if it's just a modest update. Perhaps an iPad 2S. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

People on the internet freaked out when there was no iPhone 5 last year, but look at the sales figures for the iPhone 4S. They've been through the roof.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see an awesome iPad update, but if Apple thinks there's a serious iPad competitor on the way (one that doesn't have to sell below cost to attract buyers), it might make sense to launch a big update to the iPad and steal any wind from the competitor's sails.
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The most interesting will be to see what graphic core Apple will use. I would guesstimate that its PowerVR Rouge: about 10 times faster then the graphics in A5. A much needed boost for Retina display.

With Quad Core ARM15 + PowerVR Rouge the average uses will have faster Ipad3 then their desktop PC. Its time for these people to ditch their PCs and hook up an HDMI cable to Ipad + bluetooth keyboard = you have the future of computing. Especially since Apple is Merlin iOS/OSX. (something that was reported on Hardmac in April/May 2010)

My bets are on a quad-core Cortex-A9 with a PowerVR SGX543MP4+, both of which double the cores of the Apple A5 SoC, most likely using a smaller process (32nm?)

Of course, I'd love to see a quad-core Cortex-A15 with PowerVR SGX600 series ('Rogue' not 'Rouge'), but I imagine Apple will probably offer that in 2013 at the earliest.

I would think Apple would start out with a dual-core Cortex-A15.

Even this is faster and uses less power than a quad-core Cortex-A9 -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_wwgTMcGXI

Also see --
http://www.electronista.com/articles...gx600.details/
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/22...et-crazy-fast/
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/02/1...gpx-fill-rate/
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/02/1...graphics-leap/

Though, I wonder about this -- ST-Ericsson NovaThor LP9600 (Nova A9600) -- http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...vaThor-roadmap

This suggests a 2013 release -- http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/q...t-architecture \
But this says a 2012/2H release -- http://lazure2.wordpress.com/2011/11...es-from-nokia/
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I'm really looking forward to the education announcement.

If something huge is happening - like 90% of textbooks being available for the ipad - I will honestly probably buy it.

I mean, I love Android tablets, but Apple does have a ton of influence and hopefully they can make something like that happen. If they don't make some major announcement like that, I'll probably buy one of the new Asus or Lenovo Tegra 3 tablets coming out.

And yes I know I can pirate PDF versions of books, but sometimes that comes with messed up formatting and they aren't available for every book.

I guess it depends if I can justify it as an investment, rather than a toy.

We'll see

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I won't be surprised at all if it's just a modest update. Perhaps an iPad 2S. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

People on the internet freaked out when there was no iPhone 5 last year, but look at the sales figures for the iPhone 4S. They've been through the roof.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see an awesome iPad update, but if Apple thinks there's a serious iPad competitor on the way (one that doesn't have to sell below cost to attract buyers), it might make sense to launch a big update to the iPad and steal any wind from the competitor's sails.

I, too, expect something akin to a 2S sort of update, despite rumours to the contrary. I do think that if in fact that is the case, all the talk of Retina Displays, etc. really is unfair to Apple.

Apple has simply not said that the next iPad would have such technology. As such, the test of whether or not Apple delivers a decent product is not how close the new version is to what it is rumoured to be. Apple can't disappoint because Apple is not the source of all the wild speculation. No promises have been made, not a single one.

Seems to me that it's important to remember this because, let's face it, there is an expectation that has been created by sources outside the company for which Apple is in no way responsible. If, when the next iPad is unveiled either late next month or some time in March, we get a lighter version of the current from factor with an upgraded processor, this is not bad news.

My belief is that Apple will increase the resolution of the iPad screen when it becomes possible to do so with absolutely no penalty in terms of weight, speed, battery life and most of all price. If to deliver the higher resolution, those other items have to take a hit, Apple will have helped the competition finally catch up.

If Apple were to offer two versions, one something akin to a 2S and the other a pricer iPad3 with a high-resolution screen, my prediction is that the cheaper 2S would dramatically outsell the higher-cost version, so much so that Apple couldn't afford to stop making the 2S and the volume on the iPad 3 would be such that Apple's profits on that version would take a drastic hit.

It would be something akin to Apple competing against itself and as a result spending a lot of time and money developing a product that Apple itself guaranteed would be a sales flop. Using US prices, offering a $500 starting point on a line of tablets is the key to Apple's success with this previously unsuccessful form factor. Tablets were tried before but others simply got it wrong. Give people an enjoyable-to-use tablet and bring it in for about $500. That, essentially, is the winning formula that has made the iPad arguably the most successful electronic device ever.

Let's consider what an iPad 3 with the Retina Display would look like. I'm figuring something like a $649 price starting point (in the US) for the 16GB version, with $749 for the 32GB model, and $849 for the 64GB version in wi-fi only form. If you want 3G, then the pricing would be something like $749, $849, and $949.

So, do you buy the iPad 3 for $949 or the Macbook Air for $999. That is assuming there is no price drop for the Air which is questionable because there are a lot of competitors coming in that category. It would be problematic if a 64GB iPad was the same price as the base Macbook Air.

If you had a more affordable 2S iPad to choose from in addition to the Air which might be coming in closer to $899 before long, the top-of-the-line iPad under such a scheme would have to be considered a rather pointless product with little hope of being a popular device.

At some point, when display technology makes a high-resolution iPad practical, Apple will likely go there. That point, however, is not likely to be March 2012.
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Let's consider what an iPad 3 with the Retina Display would look like. I'm figuring something like a $649 price starting point (in the US) for the 16GB version, with $749 for the 32GB model, and $849 for the 64GB version in wi-fi only form. If you want 3G, then the pricing would be something like $749, $849, and $949.

My guess is that Apple will not increase their basic iPad price structure.

The entry level WiFi-only 3rd generation model -- which whatever memory, CPU and display -- will be priced at $499. It is highly unlikely that Apple would take a 30% price increase.
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Moving data, especially off chip is not power free, more data implies more power. Beyond that the GPU has more computations to make to drive all of those pixels. The move to 28nm will certainly help with some of those issues. I will be very interested though to see how Apple addresses these issues.

All that being said what iOS devices really need is more RAM. An iPad with 2GB of RAM would be delightful.

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28nm manufacturing take care of LTE and the SoC battery problem. Double resolution in its self does not require more power. Only if Apple uses dual back lights.

Since Apple have given Sharp over half a billion to manufacture displays for them its a good guesstimate that Apple don't have to play around with dual back lights

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LTE is a different plan, so you would have to jump off the 3G unlimited into one of the new plans. I'm not positive if you would have to because you purchase an LTE device or if you would only have to if you want to take advantage of LTE speeds though.

You can keep your unlimited from both verizon and att
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Moving data, especially off chip is not power free, more data implies more power. Beyond that the GPU has more computations to make to drive all of those pixels. The move to 28nm will certainly help with some of those issues. I will be very interested though to see how Apple addresses these issues.

All that being said what iOS devices really need is more RAM. An iPad with 2GB of RAM would be delightful.

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If the next iPad has LTE won't that mark the first time an iPad has beat the iPhone to market in cellular network performance?


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Don't forget iPad 3 3G will also be a world mode product. Surprised AI didn't mention that.

So only 12 models this time instead of 18, which is good news for Apple and its customers.

I wonder if that will be the case in the US since the basebands for the iPhone 4S are pre-flashed for each of the 3 carriers, something I thought was an annoying limitation of CDMA. I hope you're right as 24 models for the US market seems ridiculous.

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All that being said what iOS devices really need is more RAM. An iPad with 2GB of RAM would be delightful.

More RAM means more power usage, especially at idle.

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iOS does not need more team

Right. There is no i(OS) in team.
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LTE is a different plan, so you would have to jump off the 3G unlimited into one of the new plans. I'm not positive if you would have to because you purchase an LTE device or if you would only have to if you want to take advantage of LTE speeds though.

Not really, it would still need to have 3G to fall back on in non-LTE areas.
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Right. There is no i(OS) in team.

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Right. There is no i(OS) in team.

But there is in WiN.

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Apple can't disappoint because Apple is not the source of all the wild speculation. No promises have been made, not a single one. .

Call me crazy but when I look at the screen on the iPad 2 my eyes aren't exactly hurting from the pixels. I'd almost rather have OLED over retina to get better blacks but I guess OLED has other problems.
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"take a break during China's Lunar New Year"

Americans don't know what a real "break" can be.
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Call me crazy but when I look at the screen on the iPad 2 my eyes aren't exactly hurting from the pixels. I'd almost rather have OLED over retina to get better blacks but I guess OLED has other problems.

The advantages of the Retina Display are more obvious in some uses than others.

Yes, it is good for photographs.

However, the most important improvement is for reading text. But not in English. You need to throw away your Western-centric blinders.

The higher resolution of the Retina Display is particular good for people who do not use Western alphabets, particularly those who use logographic character systems.

Examples would be written Chinese and Japanese (the kanji character set for the latter). Those written symbols are very intricate and the additional resolution afforded by Retina Displays makes a world of difference.

Don't believe me? Find two iPhones, one iPhone 3G or 3GS, the other an iPhone 4 or 4S. Then go visit a site like www.apple.co.jp and peruse the site. You don't even need to read the language. It will be perfectly obvious how much more legible the site is on the device with the Retina Display.
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I hope it's the same form factor so I can not only still use my smart cover but also my Incipio case.

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I hope it's the same form factor so I can not only still use my smart cover but also my Incipio case.

Good luck.

My suggestion? Prepare to treat these like a sunk cost.
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My guess is that Apple will not increase their basic iPad price structure.

The entry level WiFi-only 3rd generation model -- which whatever memory, CPU and display -- will be priced at $499. It is highly unlikely that Apple would take a 30% price increase.

I agree that there will not be a significant price increase. As such, if there is an upgrade in screen technology, it has to happen in a manner that does not cause a major leap in cost. I'm simply of the view that an iPad with a mid-point in price of something like $750 is DOA.

Besides, let's consider this carefully. What competitor is poised to release a tablet with Retina-like resolution in the next few months? Apple unveils a product and has it available for sale usually within a matter of weeks. Other manufacturers announce the stuff they hope to bring to market in the coming year. At CES this year we had OLEDs promised by LG and Samsung, by the end of the year and we had Sony showing off a prototype for a Crystal LED technology that might never be commercialized.

Even if in the next several months some competitor was able to bring a higher-resolution display to the tablet form factor, Apple is now selling so many iPads that it could respond rather quickly while justifying a production run of only about six months. You could sell millions of iPads between now and the release of an update with a high-resolution display in time for the holiday buying season. That would be worst-case and I really don't think we're there.

What I don't think is appreciated is that there is a huge difference between delivering a high-resolution 3.5-inch screen and producing something similar in a 9.7-inch form factor.

I would think the logical time frame for this would be a modest update for the iPad coming up in March and then a jump up to a higher-resolution screen Spring of 2013. An iPad using the current levels of resolution is a viable device for most of the people interested in such a device. If it was not, Apple never would have brought it to market in the first place, certainly not on Steve Jobs' watch. As such, what's the rush. The average iPad purchaser wants a useful tablet for in around the $500 price range. This is the sweet spot, if you will. Delivering a good tablet at that price, really, that's Apple's accomplishment. Having gotten that right, what reason is there to think that Apple's management would then abandon that wildly successful blueprint to deliver a technology no other company is close to introducing.

If you consider the rather measured, cautious upgrade path Apple has applied to the Touch and the iPhone, we should not expect otherwise for the iPad. If those devices have had rumours implying a faster upgrade path than the one Apple has followed, expect the same with the iPad. We're going to get an upgrade on the iPad in March that will initially be characterized as disappointing and the device will still be wildly popular. We've watched that scenario unfold before and it's because Apple is so secretive that media runs around speculating wildly about what's on the way. Been there, done that. No reason to expect otherwise.
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I skipped ipad2 waiting for retina, quadcore and LTE. This rumor make all that possible which will make me a very happy man. The other big thing I wanted was 128g but with the expense of retina display I doubt they will increase the storage. 1g of ram will be great IMHO 512m is just to little for retina resolution but it's not a deal breaker for me sins iOS DNA manage memory incredibly well...

Can't wait to pre-order if thisis true, credit card ready...
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I skipped ipad2 waiting for retina, quadcore and LTE. This rumor make all that possible which will make me a very happy man. The other big thing I wanted was 128g but with the expense of retina display I doubt they will increase the storage. 1g of ram will be great IMHO 512m is just to little for retina resolution but it's not a deal breaker for me sins iOS DNA manage memory incredibly well...

Can't wait to pre-order if thisis true, credit card ready...

Even if such a device would see a price increase of something like $150?

I mean would you, given the choice, pay close to the current price to buy what would amount to a iPad 2S or would you pay significantly more for the device as you hope to see it introduced.
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Sweetness. LTE launch in Austin just in time. Any bets if T will continue to honor the unlimited?

I wonder if Apple will reopen it's temp store in Downtown Austin during SXSW like last year. I was filming downtown for the festivities and remember seeing a long line wrapped around the entire block EVERY SINGLE DAY throughout the entire week. I barely held off on the iPad 2, but if everything rumored is coming to the iPad 3 I very well myself will be in this years line during SXSW 2012.

P.S. Apple if you do open the temp store, make it PERMANENT because a central Apple store is what Austin needs. Only 2 stores right now way North or way South. We need a CENTRAL. That is all! #Soapbox
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With quad core, I can't help but go back to wondering if third party apps will get true multitasking. Seems like with that many cores to spare they could manage. But I can't see them adding that support without a new iOS revision.
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Even if such a device would see a price increase of something like $150?

I mean would you, given the choice, pay close to the current price to buy what would amount to a iPad 2S or would you pay significantly more for the device as you hope to see it introduced.

Without Retina/LTE/Quadcore I probably won't upgrade and instead it for a MacBook air thunderbolt to replace my MacBook Pro. 8MP camera, 128g storage and 1g of ram are not deal breakers for me though...

So no I will not pay for a iPad 2S even if its cheaper I'm expecting retina/LTE/quad core on today's prices for iPad 2.
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Without Retina/LTE/Quadcore I probably won't upgrade and instead it for a MacBook air thunderbolt to replace my MacBook Pro. 8MP camera, 128g storage and 1g of ram are not deal breakers for me though...

So no I will not pay for a iPad 2S even if its cheaper I'm expecting retina/LTE/quad core on today's prices for iPad 2.

That seems impossible to me but of course I don't have inside information.

I suspect that Apple is not interested in adding complexity and weight to the iPad to accommodate the higher resolution. This can happen eventually but it doesn't seem to be the case at this time, not using existing technology. On the other hand there could be technology available now to make more resolution on the iPad viable.

I guess we'll find out late next month or in March though I do think that bringing out a heavier, pricier iPad is not on Apple's radar.
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... Oh Joy. Proud owner of iPad 1 and 2. Can't wait till this things announced! Retina display will be beautiful.

Writing this from my free iPad 2...sort of. We got them for a grad class I'm in...ours for 7 weeks. I'm addicted. The better news is that iPad 3 should be announced right around the time I have to give this back.

I can only imagine the awesomeness of the Retina display. The displa on the iPad 2 is stunning by itself.
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