Reacting to Apple at CES 2012, part two: Samsung's Galaxy Note - Page 2

I don't know why the Note is even being compared to the ipad.

Half the size
Makes Calls
Better resolution
Pressure sensitive wacom screen
AMOLED screen

And are people really bitching about the price? Compare it to an unlocked iphone 4S then

Honestly though, completely different.

Good for Samsung for creating this. I would love to see a Note 2 in the future

Note that he said "pointing device", not writing, drawing etc.

And I have the same question. if I lose my Samsung pen will my Note stop working. Because that was the state of things when Jobs made his comment about tablets with styli. They were device specific and there was little to nothing you could do without it. Not a good place to be.

But even Steve knew there were times folks would want a pen so he didn't tell Jonny etc to block that usage. So folks could use either depending on what they were needing to do.

Totally. The sound quality of TV's in the past five years has just jumped off a cliff... Or, more like sunk into a ditch. I use a pair of KRK Rockit5 ~ lowest end of the KRK range but snob that I am, I would only use reference or monitor type speakers for all audio nowadays. There is a bit of a buzz due to the transformer in the speaker but only if the room is silent and you put your ear right up to it. When you turn on the volume, that's a different case. Well-balanced with excellent, accurate bass for the price (for Trance and Progressive, it's important, because the kick always needs to be heard clearly separated from basslines ~ even if you're listening not creating music). And for Xbox360, does the job nicely.

Unfortunately I can't afford a Kuro



What sort of apps are planned for this? Will it be Samsung or Android Marketplace. Curious about the app aspect of this.

How is the Tab doing? Curious as well.

As you know I'm reducing my anti-Android stance to keep an eye on happenings there as I try to learn iPad app development.

Good question. As for the pen, Yes, AFAIK for example if you lose your Wacom pen you can't just get any stylus, it has to be a similar Wacom-style pen.

I used to lose my Palm Pilot styluses, never could go wrong with their 5-pack of Styluses. Sometimes I'd just use my fingernail, best "pure-PDA" I've ever used... Palm Pilot and HandSpring. Then of course iPod touch and iPhone 3G ~ well, the rest is history.

Yeah it's nice to be able to use styluses with iOS devices. Though it is specialised too because it needs a conducting tip/nib. Which is handy for various applications and gloves! Not just in cold countries, my mum the other day talked about when she plays golf.

The next stage for Apple is both pressure sensitivity but I really wish they can figure out tactile feedback. I'm sure there's a little something something you can stimulate in such a way the tip of your finger "feels" as though it's actually pressed the button. We are all still very physical creatures.

As Solipsismx mentioned in another thread, Apple went overboard with the ppi of the iPhone to the point it had more than was needed to render pixels invisible. The term 'retina display' is therefore inaccurate, I think, if it is to have a technical meaning.

My Samsung S8500 Wave has a 282 ppi AMOLED screen and the individual pixels are not resolvable, so text etc look very crisp and curves are very smooth. DED saying "near Retina" implies inferiority, when in terms of unresolvable pixels, it wouldn't be.

"but will not be a star seller."


they sold a million in first few weeks. I sold our iPad 2 and am getting a Note, it is a superb device.

I think you missed my point.

I said "It might gain a small following... but will not be a star seller." I wasn't slamming the Galaxy Note anyway... we were talking about stylus-bases phones.

There are 700,000 Android devices activated every day... how many of them are Galaxy Notes?

In the days of Samsung's Galaxy S series selling 30 million... the Galaxy Note will sell a lot fewer.

The Galaxy Note is a superb device... but it probably won't be Samsung's best-selling phone. It's just my guess, though.

Maybe I'm missing it too...

The Galaxy Note is not a stylus based phone. It works perfect without the styles and the wacom digitizer functions just like a normale capacitive screen (not like the old resistive screens which were 'usable' with a finger(nail) but worked best with a stylus).

So the stylus is purely an extra... An extra I wish the iPad had for taking notes... I bought a number of styli for it, but a capacitive will never give you the precision needed to actually be usable (capacitive with a stylus is like resistive with your finger

In an earlier comment... we were discussing whether Apple or other companies would start to include a better digitizer and a stylus with their future phones... to mimic the functionality of the Galaxy Note.

I believe that most companies won't. Being able to draw and take notes is a nice feature... but it's hardly a mainstream feature. I don't foresee many new phones to go down this route... if any others do at all.

But you raise a good point. Since you don't have to use the stylus with the Galaxy Note... are people buying it because it comes with a stylus? Or are they buying it because it's a monster-sized phone?

The Galaxy Note may have sold a million phones in a few weeks... but it pales in comparison to other Samsung phones and the rest of the industry as well.

I see the stylus feature of the Galaxy Note fitting a specific niche... not mainstream use. I'll change my tune when Samsung adds a better digitizer and stylus to all their new phones

Really? How do you know? (Don't bother with some silly analyst/consulting firm/tech guru estimates).

All you Android guys ever do is pull numbers out of your hat.

Or get them from Eric Schmidt, who pulls them from somewhere else.

I would not be surprised if the Wacom touchpanel will end up on more phones/tablets in the future as it has the best of both world... Don't know the pricing compared to a normal multi-touch capacitive screen though...

As an owner of Galaxy Tab (original 7") as well, I must say I prefer the 7" format for a business tablet as it can be tucked away in your inner pocket (I prefer 10" for at home media consumption/browsing etc.). This way you can bring a tablet along without 'bringing a tablet along'. As the Note has a 1280x720 screen on 5" I think a lot of people are seeing it as a viable alternative to a larger tablet without it actually being a tablet and just coping with the fact it's a pretty big phone.

It's hard to tell what reasons people have for buying, but I'm contemplating buying it to replace my 7" tab and my business phone. Carrying one device around like the old days It can replace my phone because it's a phone, and it can replace my tablet as it's just large enough combined with the 720p screen to be used as a tablet. Of course on-screen keyboard is not the 'tablet' experience, but for that we have the stylus to take notes.

And last but not least, the return of the doodle !!! I really miss that using a tablet

How about a widely publicized press release from Samsung?

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-gal...ally-29204930/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/29/1...hrow-money-at/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-573...in-two-months/

http://www.gsmarena.com/1_million_sa...-news-3588.php

http://www.flickr.com/photos/samsungtomorrow/6591558897

And before you regurgitate the shipped vs. sold crap argument, take note that this data is from Dec 29, 2011, so that both shipments to resellers and final sales are higher now.

Has any video been posted showing an artist using this for high quality drawing or painting...

CAD drawings would be interesting too.

Is that the intended use ? I'm sure there are people doing this (like the ones where MS Paint is used with some very impressive results like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU)

It's for taking notes (hence the name) and drawing simple schematics and such

Any graphics professional would not use it (as any professional photographer will not use the ipad/iphone camera or any of its apps, or any serious editor will not use the ipad for editing video) apart from some simple web-comics etc.

Samsung should join forces with Microsoft against Google. Bada + Bing = Badabing!

I bought mine before they stopped selling them and got the previous years model for half price

WTF At first glance I though the picture was comparing screen sizes with the smaller iPhone.

read that article carefully. it says "for upgradeable models." but it does not list which ones those are. that means, some do and some don't get the ICS upgrade. Samsung also allowed everyone to speculate that its original 2010 tablet - that 7" Gingerbread model that shipped 2 million and sold ? - would be upgraded to Honeycomb, but it never was.

bottom line: Samsung buyers, beware.

Thanks for the laugh. And, for proving my point.

Get back to us when you have actual sales numbers.

I am late to this thread...

But, From what I've seen it is an interesting device.

I would like to see pressure-sensitive styluses on larger form factors and more main-stream devices such as the iPad.

Apple has a patent where you place your fingers on the touch surface as if you were holding a stylus -- software triangulates the center and you could draw or write as if you actually had a stylus.

There are apps out there that measure pressure by changes in size/movement/speed of the surface area occupied by the fingers.

I saw a prototype of one app that was able to detect the touch areas made by the palm, heel of the hand, and other fingers -- so their extraneous touches could be ignored.

So, you might be able to do much of this with current hardware and some speciality software.

However, I think there is a use for a pressure-sensitive stylus and a more-granular touch digitizer.


Uses include an iPad alone or with a Mac:

-- as an alternative to a graphics tablet for artists drawings and architects
-- as control surface for A/V editing
-- a telestrator for video
-- real-time video marking of video during ingest (there are cameras that send a WiFi proxy of the video to an iPad as it is being captured)

There is also potential to run VNC remote apps/desktops with more precision -- where you could run Full Windows, OS X, Office, Photoshop, Final Cut from a remote iPad and navigate a UI designed for a kb/mouse.

You get some interesting gaming and entertainment possibilities among iDevices (including the AppleTV) when you consider bi-directional AirPlay, telestrating, drawing, etc.

I remember going to a SigGraph show in the 1980s where there was a booth with a large TV attached to a computer. It was displaying a remote Artist, standing with a palette, painting a scene.

The interesting thing was that the guy at the booth was able to zoom in on the palette and mix and change the colors of the paint while the artist was painting -- the displayed image reflected the changes in real time.

Think of something like that in the hands of someone watching TV...

-- Old Yeller becomes Old blue
-- The NASCAR Number 96 car becomes a vivid lime green... booggity, booggity
-- You glow-highlight the image of specific players during the game

Or something more mundane as a hair stylist drawing/modifying various alternatives on a live video of the customer.

A dress or set designer composing/refining their work in real time (would the models need to be naked? )

A virtual-reality set of hand crafted custom Christmas decorations for your house.

...

That was just a quick initial post to get into the discussion. I would not buy that device -- but I like the possibilities it demonstrates.

I was thinking more of capability for a larger form factor -- a future iPad to be more specific.

As to your other points:

If a future iPad offered wireless or wired capability equivalent to a Wacom tablet connected to a Mac -- why wouldn't a graphics professional, artist, or architect use it?

If a Video/Sound editor could use a wireless or wired future iPad as an editing control surface -- why wouldn't they?


There is an element of newness here, so I don't believe we should limit our thinking to what's available. today -- rather, what are the possibilities for the future.


And, it may already be happening:

Sony launch XMPilot an iPad app that lets you log shots as you shoot for direct ingest into Final Cut Pro bins


and


FCPX on the iPad


This, latter, shows FCP X running on a Mac and being controlled from an iPad -- certainly there are some warts, but some interesting advantages too...

Nope.

Here is a scenario that they are pitching.


1) App runs on refrigerator that keeps track of food contents and their respective expiration dates.

2) Refrigerator connects to the cloud.

3) While shopping at the grocery, you whip out your smart phone.
Connect to the cloud and notice that you are running out of eggs and need to buy more milk because the carton in the refrigerator is about to expire in 2 days.

4) Then you forgot what type of note you wrote on the refrigerator's LCD screen as a reminder.

You log into the refrigerators' OS and find the memo note, a note that said you need to buy more chicken.

5) You go to the appropriate aisles and buy chicken.



Samsung seems to be ahead of its time with this type of technology.

They have been a proponent of this connected "ubiquitous" era for years now.

They were just waiting for the bandwidth and network connections to be mature to really push this to each of their VERY diverse sets of products.

Kinda of like this? Near the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT1LA_z7IJ4

You can pinch and zoom the canvas to how ever detailed you want the drawing to be.

Your imagination is the only limit.

Samsung also released their own SDK so app developers can incorporate this into their apps and make even better drawing apps.

You are missing the point of this device then.

Of course tablets would be the ideal canvas to draw on.

However, they take up lots of space and are bulky.

Samsung came in and said there should be a middle ground where you can get the benefits of a tablet with the convenience, portability and capability of a smart phone.

The high resolution display shows lots of information in such a small screen.

I dont know if you have ever used the Note before, but if you get a chance, please do.

You'll see what I mean.

If this can outsell the iPad I'll admit this device is an ideal "middle ground" with the "benefits of a tablet with the convenience, portability and capability of a smart phone."

By "ubiquitous" are you referring to the KDDI or NTT Docomo "Knock! Knock! Ubiquitous" futuristic campaign a few years back (before the iPhone)

They had some amazing ideas and videos posted on their web site -- things that, just now, are beginning to be implemented.

Sigh... I can no longer find a link to these videos...

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKchgm9Nslk

Yes, Exactly!

For the demo, she appears to be drawing on a layer (or layers) over a background image. That's one good use -- another is creating an image from scratch with oil, water colors, charcoal, etc...

But, I am sure this will come in future apps.

This kind of capability needs to be on other form factors -- from an iPad to a big-assed tablet/table/drawing board.

That was a good one!

It looks like a follow-on to the originals that were sometime in 2004, AIR.

It's funny -- some of their ideas are real kludgey, and others are very futuristic.

This video and the older ones both featured transparent devices... These are possible today, but nobody makes them.

Thanks for the link.

The video cameras in the hand and can are just wrong on so many levels. They look they are from the Jetsons.

A lot of the other stuff look slick in a sci-fi movie way. Example, the transparent displays in Avatar and Minority Report. But these are ultimately bad for customers unless there is a reason they need to see through to the device. There are certainly wndowed applications for these. I can see planes having this at some point.

Note that they refer to the 3D glasses as being a wearable "PC" yet you can't call the iPad a "PC" because it has a new UI for the primary I/O. I wonder how Win8 tablets will be regarded later this year.

Thanks for that video, but now my neck aches. I'm holding my head wrong.

You read it carefully. The second sentence list the models: "The ICS-upgradable devices are the GALAXY S II, GALAXY S II LTE, GALAXY Note, GALAXY R, GALAXY Tab 10.1, GALAXY Tab 8.9, GALAXY Tab 7.7, and GALAXY Tab 7.0 Plus."

It is against forum rules to tell you what I think about your intellect.


Your point was:


I showed that the numbers come from an official press release, and not from an analyst estimate, and these numbers weren't made up as you had insinuated.

For what it's worth, the actual meaning of the numbers (shipped vs. sold) was not contested in your original post, just the source of the information.

I guess the modest success of an innovative albeit niche non-Apple device gets some peoples' panties in a bunch so they start making shit up and posting rubbish.

That would be an artists dream come true.

But hopeful those new devices would also be affordable.

BTW, the Note also has a "Zen" brush that mimics the brush stroke characteristics of those Asian bamboo brushes. It also has oil painting brushes. Pretty neat.

'Shipped' versus 'sold' has been understood as completely separate numbers for the longest time on this Forum. Shipped numbers don't mean a darned thing. It is not an audited number, and is worthless.

If you did not know that before, you do now for future reference.

For what its worth, the actual post I was responding to was talking about 'sold' not 'shipped.' Read before you comment.

Androiders like you reply with obfuscation, dissembling, and defensiveness to make a case for Android. I've said this many times before, and will say this again: I'd be very happy if Android is successful. It would just be nice if your folks would tell us the (verified) truth, that's all.

Perhaps you can tell me: Why won't they post their actual sales numbers?

You should have said so, instead of implying that the source of the information was unreliable and insinuating that Android fans were making it up.


... a couple of the sources I found also said "sold", which could have been the source of the inaccuracy in the post you replied to. Do follow your own advice.



I do not appreciate being called names. I do like Android, but I prefer other (more obscure) mobile OSes. I believe I have been very clear in my posts in his thread, so any accusation about obfuscation is completely unwarranted.

Allow me to strongly doubt your sincerity when you say you'd be very happy if Android is successful.


Perhaps because they don't know them yet. They've shipped to distributors, and that's what they reported. Maybe the final sales numbers are far less than the shipped. But it is beyond doubt that this very odd and specialized device is attracting a lot of attention.

Nonsense. And you probably know it.

That just about sums up the nature of your obfuscation, dissembling, and defensiveness.



Huh?!

Actually it would appear that Samsung/Android fanboys are such desperately insecure losers that they make the fabled Apple fanboys of yore look like models of balance and rectitude.

Look at the number of straight up gushing Samsung lickers that rush to a thread like this, on an Apple enthusiast site, to agitatedly remind us how awesome and innovative Samsung is, and how even their most pointlessly elaborated products are sure to revolutionize the industry. I mean, of course everyone wants to run their refrigerator like a small business utilizing state of the art inventory management! It's the future!

We need to all remember the name of Samsung's CEO, so we can endlessly refer to your Lord and Master, how you take orders from Seoul, etc. That's how it works, right?

I mean, at least Apple fans don't spend a lot of time embarrassing themselves by simultaneously waxing rhapsodic over iPhones and accusing everyone else of being fanboys, but apparently Samsung love is special that way.

Like I said, the modest success of an innovative albeit niche non-Apple device gets some peoples' panties in a bunch so they start making shit up and posting rubbish.

Please go away. To some Samsung site (if there's one; I have no clue).