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What's the answer to this problem of the high price for data in the U.S.? Is there any way to protest?

The problem is that we're the suckers that pay it. Why protest? If we all went back to feature phones without data plans they'll lower the price, supply and demand 101.
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post #42 of 78
My smartphone is unlocked and used wifi only. Most of the sites are ATT hotspots.
post #43 of 78
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Originally Posted by WisdomSeed View Post

The thing is more people are going to be using more data services. 300mb is absolutely ludicrous And so is 2 and 3Gs. They need to find a way to open the damned data pipes and quit playing around. The tiers should be 5G, 10G and 30G. 300MB makes me so mad I could punch a baby. Overages should be $1 per gigabyte. They need to get ready and make a way for this to happen.

Sure most people don't use 5G in a month, but I use up 300mb on the way to work. Why are they being so antagonistic about this? Especially after they ganked everyone on text messaging for years.

Money. Greed.
post #44 of 78
It is crazy to see how AT&T is increasing its prices.

$20 is the price paid by one of my friend in France for unlimited calls, text, MMS and 5G of Internet.

I guess the US is not ready yet for such plan :-) So we have to look for back-up solutions. They do exist.

You have 3 MVNO that are using AT&T network : H2Owireless, Red Pocket and Straight Talk.

Red Pocket is offering a plan including unlimited call, txt and 2GB of data for $59.99/month with no 2 years commitment.

The best solution available is Straight Talk with $45 unlimited call, txt and data. The trick is, you need to buy a Nokia e71 ($49 on their website). Then port your number. Once the SIM is active you can remove it from the Nokia e71 and use it with any GSM phone (android, iPhone...)

Both solution are compatible with AT&T 3G network.

Now when it's time to renew your plan think twice :-)
post #45 of 78
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It is crazy to see how AT&T is increasing its prices.

$20 is the price paid by one of my friend in France for unlimited calls, text, MMS and 5G of Internet.

I guess the US is not ready yet for such plan :-) So we have to look for back-up solutions. They do exist.

You have 3 MVNO that are using AT&T network : H2Owireless, Red Pocket and Straight Talk.

Red Pocket is offering a plan including unlimited call, txt and 2GB of data for $59.99/month with no 2 years commitment.

The best solution available is Straight Talk with $45 unlimited call, txt and data. The trick is, you need to buy a Nokia e71 ($49 on their website). Then port your number. Once the SIM is active you can remove it from the Nokia e71 and use it with any GSM phone (android, iPhone...)

Both solution are compatible with AT&T 3G network.

Now when it's time to renew your plan think twice :-)

I put in bold the part of the plan that makes this ridiculous. I have enough money that saving $5/month* Red Pocket would save me over my AT&T plan** with 2GB data isn't worth all that hassle.

These plans are lower than the MNOs, but they should be because they are MVNOs. You do get less service for a lower cost; that's how they work. Also note that it's $49.99 for all things the same the $59.99 plan except for data which is only 250MB. That mean the higher plan gives you 1.75GB for $10. That's 7x more data than the 250GB plan for only $10... which means they are abusing customers who pay for lower data. Shame, shame¡

* I say $5/month but I noticed it's actually less. Red Pocket charges you per 30 days of service, not month. There are 12 months in the year which at 30 days per month only comes out to 360 days. That leaves 5 days of 17% of a month remaining that Red Pocket gets to charge for each year. You still can save money with Red Pocket but it's something I felt that should be noted since it's not the same plan length as with the MNOs.

** I have thousands of roll over minutes I don't use and completely removed my SMS/MMS a couple months ago in favour of only using iMessages, Email, et al. to communicate. I have no plans to go back to SMS/MMS.

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post #46 of 78
I knew they'd have to up it before long. I have been over my data plan so much, and I can't be that much of a data hog! And they knew that users would increase usage, but they probably used the $25 plan to entice users to not backlash about losing unlimited data for $30. Damn marketing!
post #47 of 78
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It is crazy to see how AT&T is increasing its prices.

$20 is the price paid by one of my friend in France for unlimited calls, text, MMS and 5G of Internet

Greener grass

Perhaps. Not, if you know what FUP'ing could mean. http://wiki.maemo.org/Data_plans
post #48 of 78
AT&T said my wife was going over her 2GB plan 3 months in a row. when we noticed that "something" was downloading 50-150 mb every night, we began shutting her phone off at night. the 50-150 mb overnight downloads still showed up [AT&T plan] WITH her phone off. After two calls and some not-so-nice language to customer service they credited us 6 months of data usage for both of our phones.

CHECK to see when your phone is using data... it may be bullshit or some odd rogue app.
post #49 of 78
Translation:

AT&T execs are unable to plan adequately for growth and want to limit CAPEX dollars year after year so that each executive fiefdom meets it's goals and they qualify for bonuses.

So instead of investing well and planning their company's future, the execs are in a mad scramble to get spectrum already built out. Ooops, that fell through. Quick, let's watch the AT&T execs now go and charge more because their "customers using too much data"

The single best thing that could ever happen to the US market is for the FCC to insist that carriers share bandwidth just like the FM broadcasters do. You don't have to go buy a new FM radio to listen to a different network, and you certainly are not limited to just one type of programming. Sheesh. The US market is like buying a cell phone that ONLY get country music broadcast by a single provider.

Single most telling statistic on AT&T's on-the-cheap approach: compare the number of cell sites in Spain vs the number of cell sites in California.
post #50 of 78
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Originally Posted by TheShepherd View Post

What's the answer to this problem of the high price for data in the U.S.? Is there any way to protest?

Yes,
When your contact ends cancel your service. I would guess it would take about 6 weeks for AT&T to back off. Even if only 10% of their customers did cancel. No chance in hell of this ever happening since most think they will die if they didn't have a cell phone.
post #51 of 78
I can make calls all day long, including Canada and Mexico. I can surf the Internet and text all I want and all this costs me $38/mo. in the US. The only limitation is I have to be in my house. It is called what is referred to as a landline. I could leave the house and do the same thing for about $100 more each month. Someone want to explain how that works. Does it not cost more to string wires all over the place than to put up towers??
post #52 of 78
Congratulations AT&T!


I have just received newmodel of T-Mobile HotSpot device (4G) for free. 5GB data for $29.99 with 2-years commitment, but up to 5 WiFI devices.
post #53 of 78
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Originally Posted by Euphonious View Post

$20 for 300MB?! Are you kidding? I pay £6 for 500MB, and I thought that was quite expensive by UK standards...

In Australia it's $4 for 700MB or $10 for 2GB.

Most voice plans above $30 have over a GB included.

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I can make calls all day long, including Canada and Mexico. I can surf the Internet and text all I want and all this costs me $38/mo. in the US. The only limitation is I have to be in my house. It is called what is referred to as a landline. I could leave the house and do the same thing for about $100 more each month. Someone want to explain how that works. Does it not cost more to string wires all over the place than to put up towers??

I don't even have a landline phone, well I have a number as part of my ADSL plan but I never even bothered plugging a phone in.
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post #54 of 78
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Originally Posted by plovell View Post

All the more reason to leave AT&T when my current contract is up

Or leave the smart phone... My six year old phone that has plastic buttons, sucky menus, dopey UI, wierd options to text and I have to attach a crappy camera module to take fuzzy pictures BUT my rates, scratch that, my reasonable rates haven't changed since day one!

But having no smart phone is just my choice... my priority.
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post #55 of 78
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Originally Posted by scissor View Post

just have email pushed to my phone eats 10-15MBs daily for me, which puts me right up against that 200MB ceiling at the end of a month. that leaves me with what, five to ten minutes of web browsing afterwards?

the 200MB plan is a joke.

I see you don't get it.

(sigh)

The fact of the matter is that there are different levels of consumerism. The cellular carriers have different offerings for different people. So your usage habits don't fit into the smallest plan. Fine, that's why they have different plans for you.

Let's use an analogy.

You and a friend are going to dinner at the Cellular Smorgasbord. You're hungry, so you get the $50 all-you-can-eat buffet. Your friend doesn't have a big appetite and instead orders a bowl of soup, $5.

Now you're a better consumer, at least in the eyes of Cellular Smorgasbord, but you're not better or superior to your friend. You just have a larger appetite, at least when you're dining out at the Cellular Smorgasbord. But guess what? Your friend works in a restaurant, and happened to get a free staff lunch plus some leftovers at the end of the shift.

I spend $12 a month on cellular services because that's all I want to consume. Like your friend, I am happy with a bowl of soup. Maybe some months, I want a little extra, so I'll order a side for $3. But I'm not paying for the buffet, there's no way I want to consume that much.

But for sure, if I am not going to use $55 worth of cellular service or food, I'm not going to pay that much.
post #56 of 78
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Originally Posted by TheShepherd View Post

What's the answer to this problem of the high price for data in the U.S.? Is there any way to protest?

Either

1. Dump your iPhone.(my right armwould go first)
2. Protest to congress(...yeah didn't think you'd agree on that one)
3. Everyone jump to another carrier

I like 3. AT&T goes from 69 mil customers, or whatever number, to like 38 mil, I bet they'd fix their rates! Then...when folks contracts are up, the company they jumped to will offer lower prices to keep you from going to att with THEIR new low prices.

The only way to get these folks to lower prices is to walk away from them. Inconvenient...sure but so are these ridiculous price plans
post #57 of 78
I am not willing to pay the ridiculous amount of money for a data plan these days, thank god for my iPod touch and simple cell phone.
post #58 of 78
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

And think of the millions of dollars they'd lose monthly if they did that.
That's not renegade, that's stupid, big difference.

Hmmm, you must mean stupid like the wifi only iPad.
That's the iPad that's captured approximately 60% of the sales versus wifi/3G version.
Thank goodness there's strategic thinkers at Apple who think differently.
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post #59 of 78
Why would anyone pay $50/month to tether? I bought a t-mobile 4G hotspot that gives me 2GB of data for $20/month and I can use it for my iPad, macbook air, iPhone, and iPod Touch. And I get a separate battery so it doesn't drain my phone. Real world download speeds are 8 Mb/sec, which is almost as good as my home DSL line.

Anyone paying ATT for more data than they have to to get the phone is getting screwed.
post #60 of 78
Since their failed merger attempt with T Mobile cost $4 billion, somebody has to pay the bill. From the perspective of AT&T, better you than them.
post #61 of 78
Dear AT&T:

I will take advantage of this only if you offer a dataplan that spans 2 more devices.

It is RIDICULOUS to pay for separate dataplans because I have an iPhone and an iPad.

Signed

Very disgruntled AT&T User who will change the minute Verizon offers a device spanning plan
post #62 of 78
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

I can already predict the Sprint sucks, Sprint is slow, Sprint will cancel unlimited data, blah blah....replies to follow. But for me it works well and is the only remaining carrier that allows new customers to have not only unlimited data, but also texts and calls. If you are happy with your carrier, no reason to consider changing, but if you aren't happy, do something about it.

1) It's not the last US carrier with unlimited data, it's the last US MNO with nationwide coverage with unlimited data. I don't know of any regional MNOs with unlimited data but I also don't for a fact that there aren't any so I can't rule them out.

2) It's very likely that Sprint will drop unlimited data the way it was predicted other carriers would drop unlimited as there network saturation increased with ever increasing smartphones users paying for more expensive plans. If Sprint does this it's actually a sign they are actually becoming healthier as a carrier.

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post #63 of 78
If only ATT and T-mobile could have merged! Hopefully all the spectrum can be soaked up, to herd all the American people into ATT's spectrum where they can be slaughtered like pigs? Oh, I mean served?
post #64 of 78
I don't understand why anyone is on AT&T unless they have a grandfathered unlimited data plan. The service is still miserable with plenty of black out locations in major metropolitan areas.
post #65 of 78
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will repeat what has been said countless times about this topic.

It's about where you are. Each carrier has their strengths and weaknesses in each market, let alone subdivisions and individual neighborhoods in each of those places. Driving down a freeway, you might drop your call on two carriers, but not the others at Spot A; a few miles later at Spot B, a different carrier will have problems.

The point is that carrier coverage isn't a uniform blanket throughout the territory. AT&T has a notably great coverage in its home state of Texas, but poor coverage in metropolitan San Francisco and Manhattan.

Frankly, I think all US mobile operators suck eggs, and the annual survey by Consumer Reports appears to corroborate this sentiment. Basically, Verizon is a 37" giant in a land of three-foot midgets. No American mobile operator has a customer satisfaction rating that should elicit pride. They all basically suck. Which one sucks more? Well, that really depends on where you live, although more people seem to live in a place where AT&T sucks slightly more than Verizon.

The fact that there are any American mobile operator fanboys is utterly confounding. If those people had any experience with mobile operators from other industrialized nations, they would probably put in a deliberate effort to reduce the amount of money they were handing over to American mobile operators.
post #66 of 78
The fact of that matter is that some European countries have similar population densities to the United States, yet provide stunningly better cellular coverage than that U.S. I get so-so cellular reception at home, mediocre coverage at work. Do I care? No, not much since everything is routed through Google Voice. At home and at work, I get data via a much more reliable WiFi network. Voice calls over WiFi (VoIP) is an option, especially for outgoing calls at home because I don't pay a dime. At work, everything is routed through a landline, cellular voice reception is not an issue.

The biggest variables to me are cellular performance in the places I visit, but there's little I can do about that. It's not like I'm going to pick a cellular provider based on a handful of domestic trips I take every couple of years.

Not only that, these are countries that are years ahead of the U.S. in cellular technology deployment. Sweden is one such example, where they have great coverage to an audience that has similar population density, and they have had LTE for years.

It's hard to compare service for natives to those of visiting foreigners, especially in countries where much of the cellular service is being paid for via taxes. Short-term visitor plans will always be a bit higher.

That said, I prefer the pay-as-you-go model.

Frankly, if I really wanted the unlimited talk/text/data service, I'd go with Straight Talk ($45 per month after you get a reconditioned Nokia E71 for $49 or $99). But I don't need unlimited service, so I'm fine with paying an average of $12 per month.

Why should I pay the $50 all-you-can-eat buffet fee when I'm only going to have a $5 bowl of soup? Admittedly, I am a lousy consumer of cellular services, but hey, I'm happy with what I am taking from these mobile operators.
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The fact of that matter is that some European countries have similar population densities to the United States, yet provide stunningly better cellular coverage than that U.S.

You can't take a similar population density of a tiny country that matches a huge country when the huge country is split between expansive gaps of unpopulated lands and heavily congested cities. It's like taking a country with a huge middle class that averages out to a country with a huge gap between the poor and rich. Your results are flawed.

What you can do is compare a city to a city with the same population density for the same physical size but then you have to account for other factors like terrain and laws. Laws include towers not getting built because people don't want to see them and have the right to prevent them despite a need.

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What you can do is compare a city to a city with the same population density for the same physical size but then you have to account for other factors like terrain and laws. Laws include towers not getting built because people don't want to see them and have the right to prevent them despite a need.

Well then, the comparison possibilities are limited if not nearly impossible.

Heck, it's difficult to discuss certain US cities (Manhattan, San Francisco). The laws are changing anyhow and much of this has to do with the whims of the current members of a review board. Or even the citizenry.

A cellular tower proposal that would pass in Mountain View might not get the green light a mile away in Palo Alto.

I will point out that some of these European countries have similar concentrations of heavily populated urban areas and lightly populated rural areas as the USA. That's why I used Sweden as an example.

Remember that hard-wired Internet broadband coverage roughly mirrors cellular performance in these countries. Broadband Internet speeds in Western Europe blows doors on USA broadband speeds, and that doesn't even begin to address the population density issues.

No one on this planet should be defending American mobile operators and ISPs for their ineptitude in providing world-class networking.
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Well then, the comparison possibilities are limited if not nearly impossible.

Heck, it's difficult to discuss certain US cities (Manhattan, San Francisco). The laws are changing anyhow and much of this has to do with the whims of the current members of a review board. Or even the citizenry.

A cellular tower proposal that would pass in Mountain View might not get the green light a mile away in Palo Alto.

I will point out that some of these European countries have similar concentrations of heavily populated urban areas and lightly populated rural areas as the USA. That's why I used Sweden as an example.

It's easier to make apt comparisons to other European countries. Right across a border you get very different plans and coverage.

There seems to be some positional goods desire at play. If one country has x product or service at a cheaper price then everyone else much be raping the customer by the different amount. It simply doesn't work that way.

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post #71 of 78
Not a big deal.

Virgin Mobile is a prepaid value brand (at least in the USA). The typical user wouldn't be approaching anywhere near the 2.5GB limit on a regular monthly basis.
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I've told everyone I know - either get an iOS5 iPhone or don't text me, ever.

Is this AT&Ts response?
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post #73 of 78
So, I guess I have lots of incentive to drop my unlimited $30 a month plan that I'm grandfathered into, hmmm?

All they've done here is gotten things to the point where they can now charge the same rate for limited data (3GB) that they used to for unlimited data. Oh, and their network sucks...did anyone mention that?
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post #74 of 78
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Hmmm, you must mean stupid like the wifi only iPad.
That's the iPad that's captured approximately 60% of the sales versus wifi/3G version.
Thank goodness there's strategic thinkers at Apple who think differently.
Try it sometimes, you might find it liberating.

Lets take a look at your liberating strategic thinking. ATT sold what, some 12 million iPhones last quarter?
Lets say 6 million of those chose a wifi only model, so at $30 per phone times 6 million, ATT misses out on $180 million in revenue per month, and $540 million a quarter, and over $3 billion a year. You strategic thinking would only liberate ATT of cash, lots and lots of it. As far as the iPad goes, they're not subsidized so any data plan s person purchases is pure gravy for the carriers.
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post #75 of 78
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What's the answer to this problem of the high price for data in the U.S.? Is there any way to protest?

Force everyone to pay for their phones at an unsubsidized price. One of the reasons the data plans are so much is to help cover the massive subsidy of the phones. You pay AT&T $200 for a contract phone, and they still pay Apple $600 or thereabouts. It takes about 10 - 12 months to make that money back, then the rest of your contract is a lot of profit. I wish there was a way to get a cheaper contract if you did pay the full retail price of the phone. You could, of course, ask that Apple reduce the price on their phones, but we all know that won't happen.
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I've told everyone I know - either get an iOS5 iPhone or don't text me, ever.

You could get them all to start using WhatsApp messenger. I use it with friends/family that do not have iOS5 devices. Works pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Sandyf View Post

Think 79 million baby boomers beginning to retire.
Think fixed budget.
Think wifi in most homes, hotels, Starbucks & other hotspots.

Now think an iPhone that is wifi only and doesn't require a data plan (like the iPad option).
Now think ATT being the first to market.
Think they might be able to gain market share (and sell monthly data plans on an as need basis)?
Ya' think?
Nahh...to renegade, to crazy.

YEAH! Why don't carriers give us a $450 subsidy on an iPod Touch???!?!? Idiots.
post #78 of 78
1000 minutes included, 1000 sms included, 1GB included
8,99 / month and you are not committed beyond 1 month.
And the provider is making money.
Poor old Austria.

What is wrong with the cell phone market in the US?
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