Originally Posted by Mike Fix
Except the part where I said the Boxx machines are nearly twice as fast as the current Apple Mac Pro. That's not a sound enough reason?
Plus, we're talking about the Mac Pro. If I'm interested in the Mac Pro do I really need to explain myself? Why I need competitive processing power? Seriously? The target audience of the Mac PRO is the PROFESSIONAL market.
I am a professional that is willing to spend $8-$10k on a machine that suits my needs. With the new Xeons costing $1800 a piece (and there should be two in the box), I would expect the machine to be around $6k, then add ram, video card, drives, etc.
If I didn't need the power, I'd get an iMac and upgrade whenever youtube videos stop playing on it. Which is why I stated the difference in Cinebench scores, which is not throwing a tantrum, it's a statement of fact.
I'm a freelance motion graphics designer/animator and I require performance. If Apple is no longer going to give me the performance I require, I need to go elsewhere, or I will not be able to compete in the business that I am in.
I take your point about the Cinebench scores. Hard to argue with plain old facts...but...
If it was me, I'd be happy with a fully loaded iMac. If you've been used to a dual processor Mac Pro then you'll be used to that, I guess. So? Wait until the Pro hits for a more level playing field and make your decision then?
Rather than move my entire eco-system over to PC land I'd wait for the Mac Pro release which I'd say could either be imminent after iPad has had it's month in the sun or WWDC or a Mountain Lion release. I think that's worth pausing for.
I have an iMac, Lightwave 3D, Poser, Manga Studio etc. ie software investment, iPhone, iPad, ATV. I guess I'm emotionally invested in the Mac ecosystem more than I am re: specs alone. I have Steve Jobs to thank for that!
My first Mac was a Tower. I remember that feeling of being at the 'top of the heap' for a while. (And then 3+ years later I had a big, slow box...
My adobe software investments got trampled over in the OS X race for desktop supremacy. And even when I bought again...ten years of OSX improvements got me 'done' again.
I tried PC for a while with an Athlon and then upgraded the box. But I just hated 'Winblows.' It sucks. I hate it. OSX. It's like a disease as Wizard puts it.
Let's face it. We're far away from the dark years of of Power PC stagnation and the near collapse of the Mac creative market.
The top end iMac is far from a modest machine fully loaded with ram, SDD drive and a thunderbolt external HD.
If anybody puts the boot into the Mac Pro I'm not going to say it's not justified. The cinebench scores don't lie. And while Intel remain culpable for the delay to Sandy Bridge E, I find Apple more culpable for the things in their grasp: more ram, updating to what GPUs are available (regardless of whether they are incremental or not - that's not an argument for not including a bump in spec), bigger hard drives AND cutting the price or including two cpus on the base model to get sales jumping again.
Short memories people have. It wasn't so long ago Apple offered 'two' cpus for the money and at cheaper prices and made much boast and fanfare of it. They can price the pro's ridiculously high and offer stale specs (all bar the cpu which they can't help...but they could offer two on the entry model...like they used to!) and whinge about low sales or make the Pro more value added with a price cut and get units moving again.
How about comparing the entry price of a Macbook Pro laptop to the entry Mac Pro desktop? How come Mac desktops are so expensive compared to their laptops? It didn't quite used to be that way.
Anyway. Back to your decision. Given your eco-system investment. I'd urge you to wait a bit longer. You've waited so long any how. Why cause so much upheaval for a few minutes on Cinebench? (I guess it depends on what you're rendering...)
It's pretty obvious the Mac floodgates are going to open once Intel pulls their fingers out with the chips. Look to the skies from April onwards I'd say. Educated guess and all that.
I'd still like Apple to offer a re-factored desktop/mini-tower in the iMac price range. You know. Like they used to with the brilliant G3 blue and white classic and bundle a decent gpu with it.
Sure their would be a bit of iMac cannibisation but many of the iOS developers may find a home with the 'tower/refactored' desktop if they didn't like the iMac. At least Apple would offer people like Wizard, myself etc. the choice.
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