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Shares of Google fell more than 9 percent in after-hours trading after the company missed both Wall Street's revenue and earnings expectations when it reported its fourth quarter 2011 results on Thursday.

The Mountain View, Calif., company reported 25 percent growth year over year with revenues of $10.58 billion for the December quarter. Operating income for the period was $3.51 billion, up from $2.98 billion in the year-ago quarter.

Though Google's quarterly performance still represented a sequential increase, but investors voiced concerns that its growth had decelerated from previous quarters. The company's net revenue of $8.13 billion missed consensus estimates of $8.4 billion, as tracked by Thomson Reuters.

Google stock was up $6.66, or 1.05 percent, at the close of the market on Thursday, but its disappointing quarterly results prompted a sell-off that caused shares to drop $57.67 to $581.90.

As is to be expected, Google's top brass remained upbeat about the results. CEO Larry Page said he was "super excited" about the growth of Android, Gmail and Google+, adding that its new social networking service now has 90 million users globally.

"I'm very excited about what we can do in 2012--there are tremendous opportunities to help users grow our business," Page said.

But, analysts were quick to pick up on 8 percent decline in the average cost-per-click, its first year-on-year drop in two years, for the search giant. They hounded Page with half a dozen questions about the issue during the Q&A portion of the earnings conference call, prompting the CEO to ask that the next question not be about CPCs, Reuters reported.

"The major question is: Is this a one-time thing or is this something that is going to continue because the nature of the business has changed," Colins Stewart analyst Mayuresh Masurekar said.

Company executives attributed the decline to currency exchange fluctuations and advertising format changes. But analysts feared that mobile advertising may have caused the drop in cost-per-click rates.

"This was the first time we've seen a decline in CPC rates since 2009," Needham & Co analyst Kerry Rice told the publication. "It's been a long time and the one thing that's really changed about this is mobile."

The report also noted that investors remain uneasy about Google's planned acquisition of Motorola Mobility. They are reportedly concerned that entering the low-margin hardware business could affect Google's bottom line and scare off Android vendors.

Google's results appeared even worse considering that fellow technology giants Microsoft, Intel and IBM all reported solid earnings on Thursday. Though Microsoft did note a 6 percent decline in its Windows business, it made up for it with its gaming, Office and server divisions. Intel managed to beat expectations, which had been scaled back because of a weakened PC market.

For its part, Apple is expected to report stellar earnings for the December quarter next Tuesday. Record iPhone and iPad sales are likely to drive a blowout quarter for the company.
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…shares to drop $57.67.

Drop in the bucket, really.

Oh, before I forget, Apple Is Doomed™.

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Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


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Drop in the bucket, really.

Oh, before I forget, Apple Is Doomed.

Well, it's still ~9% drop, and that's significant. OTOH, it will more likely than not gain that back fairly quickly.
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Well, it's still ~9% drop, and that's significant. OTOH, it will more likely than not gain that back fairly quickly.

You're right, what am I thinking? Google losing 10% of their worth in one night? Ha!

Maybe people will finally get fed up with their nebulous numbers of OS installs now.

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You're right, what am I thinking? Google losing 10% of their worth in one night? Ha!

Maybe people will finally get fed up with their nebulous numbers of OS installs now.

You do realize the same thing happened to Apple just a few months ago, right? Or are you that short-memoried?
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You do realize the same thing happened to Apple just a few months ago, right? Or are you that short-memoried?

I am, thanks for reminding me. I have nonexistent short-term memory and most of my long-term ones are gone too. I went to Ireland just over three years ago and I can't remember it at all. It was either one of the best or worst times in my life.

The difference here is that it also happened to Google then, too, and I would assume the entire market, making it irrelevant. This time it's all on Google.

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Well, it's still ~9% drop, and that's significant. OTOH, it will more likely than not gain that back fairly quickly.

That depends on whether and how the CPC from their mobile ad base gets to what their non-mobile average is (see article). And, there is the Motorola Mobility acquisition to be completed, digested, and integrated.

I am guessing that there's lots more trouble down the road, i.e., things are probably going to get worse for Google before it gets better.
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I am, thanks for reminding me. I have nonexistent short-term memory and most of my long-term ones are gone too. I went to Ireland just over three years ago and I can't remember it at all. It was either one of the best or worst times in my life.

The difference here is that it also happened to Google then, too, and I would assume the entire market, making it irrelevant. This time it's all on Google.

In that case you're wrong again. I don't get it, why do you talk?
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In that case you're wrong again.

Ah, about the entire market? Fine, then. I don't follow such things.

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I don't get it, why do you talk?

You listen. You deride and mock, but at least you listen.

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Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


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The Windows phone will go the way of Windows Mobile. MS just loves to beta all over their potential customers, which makes this DOA before leaving the crime scene. Either way, this Google report gives the speculators and hedge fund investors an excuse to pull a few points away from Apple shares so that they can bath in the windfall of next week's report out. What a bunch of BS.

And in other reports, Apple surges in Q3 as Android share collapses due to iPhone 4s launch. Where's that Windows 7 thing again?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...izon-customers
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Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


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Reposting reply from Microsoft thread:

This could be not too far stretched. Sooner or later there will be no more room for Innovation in smartphone industry and they will inevitably become commodity products.

In the long run whoever has a better ecosystem, cloud services, navigation, and search will win the war. I am afraid Google is better positioned so far. Not sure about Microsoft and Apple.
Like I said in one of the recent threads, Apples must acquire Wolfram to build a new kind of search engine, a really intelligent one, so that iOS users would not ever feel need googling anymore and bringing revenues to one of the primary competitors.
I also think it was a mistake they let Yelp to go IPO. Now it is too expensive as a strategic acquisition target.
I hope Apple is preparing some surprises for us in a form of new maps and navigation software (based on C3 tech and other acquisitions).

This will make the ecosystem accomplished and ready for the fight.
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Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


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ROFL poor little Android sh%^head. this must be a sad day for you.

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post #14 of 73
It always amazes me that when the analysts screw up with their forecasts, the company gets punished. It seems it should be the other way arround
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Google shareholders should be angry at Googles management.

Android is great and have a huge market share. It just don't make any money for Google. I would have been cheaper for Google to continue buy Google search on others smart devices.
Spending 20 billion on Android and have revenue 1 billion.

Next company to have similar drop in value is Amazon. They are happy that Kindle Fire sells well, but they loose money on each device. Stupid business strategy.

As for Apple shares? They have the traditional rise before the report. Almost all the times Apple drops after the report since "analytics" always find something to harp about. They have already prepared 3 things to harp about.
1) Lower then expected mac sales. While the market shrank Apple only increased 15+%
2) Lower then expected Ipad sales. Many have said that Apple will sell 13+ million. If Apple sells 12.9: Apple is doomed.
3) Lower then expected Iphone sales. They have inane numbers of 36 million phones. If Apple "only" sells 31 million. "Apple misses Iphone with 5 million". It would make Apple the world largest smartphone maker, but annuity's don't care. Its all about market share. just like the .com bubble.

BTW. I will laugh if Apples profit is larger then Googles total revenue. Apple have a good chance of producing does numbers. Just to have "huge" Google in perspective with "small" Apple.

I would laugh even more if Apple did the best search engine in the world just to repay Google for cloning Iphone.
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It's about time Google got spanked by Wall Street. They've been the most overly valued IPO since it's inception.
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Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


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We're in 2012, kid. The 2011 projects aren't meeting reality. They have < .25% of the smartphone market, if that. The fantasy has the Jan 2012 target of 10%. Try some other profession.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Ah, about the entire market? Fine, then. I don't follow such things.

You listen. You deride and mock, but at least you listen.

I'm not sure what the other poster is saying but just to let you know AAPL and GOOG have pretty much mirrored each other for the last year, when GOOG rises AAPL rises; when one drops the other drops... exept for last April around the middle of the month and January 2012... GOOG and AAPL have uncoupled during those times.
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Originally Posted by jason98 View Post

Reposting reply from Microsoft thread:

This could be not too far stretched. Sooner or later there will be no more room for Innovation in smartphone industry and they will inevitably become commodity products.

In the long run whoever has a better ecosystem, cloud services, navigation, and search will win the war. I am afraid Google is better positioned so far. Not sure about Microsoft and Apple.
Like I said in one of the recent threads, Apples must acquire Wolfram to build a new kind of search engine, a really intelligent one, so that iOS users would not ever feel need googling anymore and bringing revenues to one of the primary competitors.
I also think it was a mistake they let Yelp to go IPO. Now it is too expensive as a strategic acquisition target.
I hope Apple is preparing some surprises for us in a form of new maps and navigation software (based on C3 tech and other acquisitions).

This will make the ecosystem accomplished and ready for the fight.

Why can't Apple continue to use Google search? Its a great search enginge and Google pays Apple huge money for it. Apple is not about advertising. Data mining its customers is something that goes against Apple DNA.

Apples GPS/maps will be introduced with iOS 6.
NFC should also be introduced in iOS 6.

Windows mobile will continue to play catch up. They aren't even multi threaded, something that Unix have been since late 1960. Windows phone will never succeed unless MSFT starts to play Xbox and eat huge losses. MSFT history is that they have never succeeded in a market there they have competition.

Users needs to be educated about how Google data mines Android/their cloud service. Just last night I could not send some files to my friends Gmail account. Google unrared the files and decided that they did not want those files to be delivered to their mail. Google have automatic scrips that checks all mail and if they don't like the mail, they bounce it.

The file I tried to send did not have a virus o violated Googles official rules for mail. It was plain censorship since they didn't like the mail file.

Google uses will also start to tire that they don't get OS updates. "buy a new phone" is just arrogant. And how fun is it to spend hundreds of dollars in apps and many wont work on you new Android phone. Especially if you change from different Android vendors.

Every single Android user I know are geeks/uneducated/don't care: want a cheap phone/hate Apple. The "hate Apple" is huge in persons under 20 years old. Google have really managed to brainwash people. Evidence: Chrome. Most users says that Safari sux but Chrome rulez. They both uses the same engine. They have no clue...

I miss Steve.
His letter about Adobe was spot on and 2011 proved him right with the death of non open standards like Flash and Silverlight.

Steve would write a great open letter about what's wrong with Android.
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By the next earnings call Apple may have enough cash in the bank to buy all the competition and still have enough to take us all out to lunch.
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Originally Posted by 845032 View Post



Research firm predicts Windows Phone will climb past iPhone by 2015
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/predict...ket-share-2015


Enjoy this happiest moment that will never return





this is already wrong. iOS killed Android in the 4th quarter, but the graph doesn't show that.
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Just last night I could not send some files to my friends Gmail account. Google unrared the files and decided that they did not want those files to be delivered to their mail. Google have automatic scrips that checks all mail and if they don't like the mail, they bounce it.

The file I tried to send did not have a virus o violated Googles official rules for mail. It was plain censorship since they didn't like the mail file.

What do you think was in your file that made Google dislike and censor it?
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The Windows phone will go the way of Windows Mobile. MS just loves to beta all over their potential customers, which makes this DOA before leaving the crime scene. Either way, this Google report gives the speculators and hedge fund investors an excuse to pull a few points away from Apple shares so that they can bath in the windfall of next week's report out. What a bunch of BS.

And in other reports, Apple surges in Q3 as Android share collapses due to iPhone 4s launch. Where's that Windows 7 thing again?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...izon-customers

And this would have to be based on Windows 8, which won't get out of the gate until late 2012, if then. So in two years (2015) by which time IOS could be doing 200 million units a year Win 8 is projected to go from 0 to 200 million units in two years. Android would be 600 million units, iOS 200 million units, others 100 million units, and Win 8 200 million units. That's over 1.1 billion units or about 15% of the world population buying smart phones in 2015. About 2.1 billion of the 7 billion population will be under 15 year of age. So the 1 billion smart phones would have to be sold to 5 billion. So on average 1 in 5 people would have to buy a smart phone or iOS product in 2015. However, over a billion of that 5 billion probably can't afford one or would opt for a basic phone. So we are down to 1 in 4.

My conclusions. By 2015. The practical limits of the total market will slow the growth of iOS and all variants of smart phones. Unless Win 8 phone gets over 100% of the developed markets, it is unlikely to achieve anywhere near 20% global penetration. If it does, it would be because of the collapse of android as a result of the various patent and copyright litigation. In my opinion, the Oracle patent trial my be more of a threat than any of the Apple law suit,s as there is no work around other than paying billions to Oracle, if Google loses.

One other factor. IOS will have sold a cumulative over 500 million units by then and absent major mistakes by Apple, Apple should be retaining 70 to 80 per cent of existing iOS devises.

My conclusions is the so called analysis projecting 20% market share for Win phones in 2015 is totally flawed. At the same time, neither I no any one else has a clue what will happen by 2015. 3 years ago, who would have dreamed iPhone would be selling at over 100 million annual rate and the iPad didn't exist.
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Originally Posted by cmvsm View Post

The Windows phone will go the way of Windows Mobile. MS just loves to beta all over their potential customers, which makes this DOA before leaving the crime scene. Either way, this Google report gives the speculators and hedge fund investors an excuse to pull a few points away from Apple shares so that they can bath in the windfall of next week's report out. What a bunch of BS.

And in other reports, Apple surges in Q3 as Android share collapses due to iPhone 4s launch. Where's that Windows 7 thing again?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...izon-customers

That surge is just a small point and shoot picture of one quarter. It's an insignificant uptick. If you look at the calendar year Android outpaced iOS easily and will continue to do so. Twice as much. Computerworld has an excellent article that clears up this marketing spin for iOS. There is no denying that iOS is spiraling down to irrelevancy as Android continues to grow.


http://blogs.computerworld.com/19607...urce=rss_blogs

"So did Apple grow in overall smartphone market share from the third to fourth quarter? Sure. But so did Android. And Android grew quite a bit more, gauging by Nielsen's measurements -- twice as much, with a total share increase of 3.5 points compared to Apple's 1.7. Despite the boost in iPhone sales following the launch of the iPhone 4S, the gap between the two platforms has actually continued to widen."
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That surge is just a small point and shoot picture of one quarter. It's an insignificant uptick. If you look at the calendar year Android outpaced iOS easily and will continue to do so. Twice as much. Computerworld has an excellent article that clears up this marketing spin for iOS. There is no denying that iOS is spiraling down to irrelevancy as Android continues to grow."

You are confusing iOS with iPhone. Don't worry though, most fandroids do. You don't want to compare iOS to Android, cause then the numbers aren't so great. We know what you meant though. Wink wink
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That depends on whether and how the CPC from their mobile ad base gets to what their non-mobile average is (see article). And, there is the Motorola Mobility acquisition to be completed, digested, and integrated.

I am guessing that there's lots more trouble down the road, i.e., things are probably going to get worse for Google before it gets better.

I am with you on this... Google hasn't paid as much attention to their knitting as they should. Too much gawking around at what other people are doing and losing focus.

What has the Chrome browser done for them? It's a distraction from their core and not a profit generator. Then they totally get off the profit page with the development of Android, which they give away as well...and then break the piggy bank buying Motorola so they can make low profit phones.

Meanwhile they scare the pants off their other phone manufacturing friends, who, while staying with Android, are making variations to the OS, cutting Google out of the ad picture.

When management is defocused and distracted, this is the result and maybe the investors' questions may get Google's management back on track: heads down, no looking around, no talking, stay on task making money.
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[COLOR="black"]And this would have to be based on Windows 8, which won't get out of the gate until late 2012, if then. So in two years (2015) by which time IOS could be doing 200 million units a year Win 8 is projected to go from 0 to 200 million units in two years. Android would be 600 million units, iOS 200 million units, others 100 million units, and Win 8 200 million units. That's over 1.1 billion units or about 15% of the world population buying smart phones in 2015. About 2.1 billion of the 7 billion population will be under 15 year of age. So the 1 billion smart phones would have to be sold to 5 billion. So on average 1 in 5 people would have to buy a smart phone or iOS product in 2015. However, over a billion of that 5 billion probably can't afford one or would opt for a basic phone. So we are down to 1 in 4.

My conclusions. By 2015. The practical limits of the total market will slow the growth of iOS and all variants of smart phones. Unless Win 8 phone gets over 100% of the developed markets, it is unlikely to achieve anywhere near 20% global penetration. If it does, it would be because of the collapse of android as a result of the various patent and copyright litigation. In my opinion, the Oracle patent trial my be more of a threat than any of the Apple law suit,s as there is no work around other than paying billions to Oracle, if Google loses.

One other factor. IOS will have sold a cumulative over 500 million units by then and absent major mistakes by Apple, Apple should be retaining 70 to 80 per cent of existing iOS devises.

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My conclusions is the so called analysis projecting 20% market share for Win phones in 2015 is totally flawed. At the same time, neither I no any one else has a clue what will happen by 2015.

I don't see Microsoft getting the level of traction this one analyst projects. Microsoft has gotten nowhere in the five years the iPhone has been out, They don't control the hardware at all so they still need to have someone else make the phone and market it. The phone companies won't get behind Microsoft any more then they did with the Kin phones. All the electronic stores will display it along with all the Android phones, it will be just another black rectangle only will almost no apps.

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3 years ago, who would have dreamed iPhone would be selling at over 100 million annual rate and the iPad didn't exist.

One person for sure didn't see it coming: Steve Ballmer.
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As is to be expected, Google's top brass remained upbeat about the results. CEO Larry Page said he was "super excited" about the growth of Android, Gmail and Google+, adding that its new social networking service now has 90 million users globally.

"I'm very excited about what we can do in 2012--there are tremendous opportunities to help users grow our business," Page said.

...and the investors still ask, "Show us the money!" Larry Page's response reminded me of Steve Ballmer's Keynote speech at CES where he talked at length about what they were going to be doing "later in the year"... RIM is all "excited" about what they will be shipping "later in the year". 2012 is gonna be a banner year for everyone "later in the year." ... or NOT.

Meanwhile Apple's growing by double digits right now, and will likely still be doing so "later in the year."

I don't know why, but I have this feeling that there will be a lot of splainin' going on next year at this time about why nothing much happened "later in the year", and a lot of CEOs really "excited" about what they will be doing "later in the year of 2013."
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Originally Posted by shompa View Post

Why can't Apple continue to use Google search? Its a great search enginge and Google pays Apple huge money for it.

Because money you bring to them feed Android OS developers, patent lawyers, and buy patents from a side to defend their infringements?
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Because money you bring to them feed Android OS developers, patent lawyers, and buy patents from a side to defend their infringements?

With that thinking apple would need to cut Samsung. That would end all of Apples products.
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That surge is just a small point and shoot picture of one quarter. It's an insignificant uptick. If you look at the calendar year Android outpaced iOS easily and will continue to do so. Twice as much. Computerworld has an excellent article that clears up this marketing spin for iOS. There is no denying that iOS is spiraling down to irrelevancy as Android continues to grow.

Personally, I would like to know how in your mind selling 50 million iOS devices in a quarter is anything 'spiraling down to irrelevancy'? And that's just iPhone and iPad sales, if iPod Touch sales approach 5 million units, then Apple activated 600K+ units per day this quarter. Google claims Android has 700K activations per day. 'Running neck and neck' is a far cry from 'spiraling down' to anything. We're 3+ months into the iPhone 4S's life, and Apple has only very recently cut it's shipping time down to 3-5 days. I seriously doubt there is ANY Android device with that type of demand 3 months into it's release.

And lest we forget that Apple has only began to sell the iPhone in mainland China. Once that market is open, and if Apple were to come to terms with China Mobile, those sales numbers would skyrocket.
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iOS wont become irrelevant by 2015. Whoever thinks that is foolish.
Android wont go away also.
Consumers win
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Personally, I would like to know how in your mind selling 50 million iOS devices in a quarter is anything 'spiraling down to irrelevancy'?

Hey.. leave the kid alone.
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iOS wont become irrelevant by 2015. Whoever thinks that is foolish.
Android wont go away also.
Consumers win

You don't get it, some people here think we are playing by Highlander rules, for one to be a success all others must die. Apparently making billions but missing projections by a little bit means DOOOOOOMMMM.

*And now I am singing the "I am immortal" song to myself, stupid highlander.
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I'd like to see exactly where Google's losses are are occurring. I suspect the continued growth of iOS and the direct use of the Internet bypassing the web is one main reason. Google's revenue model is based 'eyeballs on ads on the web'. Apple by the ever growing use of apps is neatly sidestepping the web more and more. Once Apple releases their new mapping system for iOS this process accelerates.
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Users needs to be educated about how Google data mines Android/their cloud service. Just last night I could not send some files to my friends Gmail account. Google unrared the files and decided that they did not want those files to be delivered to their mail. Google have automatic scrips that checks all mail and if they don't like the mail, they bounce it.

The file I tried to send did not have a virus o violated Googles official rules for mail. It was plain censorship since they didn't like the mail file.

I'm sorry. You're just talking BS. "If they don't like the mail" ? What the heck does that mean? It's going through an automated system. There isn't someone at Google going, "Hey, that mail looks stupid. Let's not send that one." Something in the files you were sending got flagged by some system. Heck it might have gotten flagged by your ISP or your friend's ISP. Did that ever occur to you?

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Every single Android user I know are geeks/uneducated/don't care: want a cheap phone/hate Apple. The "hate Apple" is huge in persons under 20 years old. Google have really managed to brainwash people. Evidence: Chrome. Most users says that Safari sux but Chrome rulez. They both uses the same engine. They have no clue...

You should probably get a clue too. Chrome and Safari use the same HTML rendering engine. That's where the similarities between them end. I stopped using Safari on my Mac years ago because of the memory leak it had. Not sure if Apple ever bothered to fix that as I never felt a compelling reason to go back. Chrome was created as a lightweight browser that didn't have the years of feature creep overhead that bogged down browsers like Firefox and Safari. And Chrome was the first browser that ran tabs in different processes so that one tab crashing didn't kill the whole browser.

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His letter about Adobe was spot on and 2011 proved him right with the death of non open standards like Flash and Silverlight.

That's really funny with Apple's event yesterday pushing the non-open standard iBook format. If you actually pay attention to what goes on, Apple supports open standards only when it benefits them. Not supporting Adobe and Microsoft products hurts Apple competitors and thereby helps Apple. Instead of supporting the already open and existing DLNA protocol, Apple created the proprietary AirPlay protocol. Instead of supporting existing conferencing protocols, Apple spun off their own proprietary Facetime protocol.
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If you actually pay attention to what goes on, Apple supports open standards only when it benefits them.

Why are you talking about Google?
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OMG... just yesterday I transferred 18 months of my images and articles - otherwise known as "iSee... iSnap... iSell..." - from Google's Blogger site to the much nicer and dynamic WordPress domain... and shit happens! LOL
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$8.13 billion is a hell of a lot of money they made from selling fraudulent advertising. They take money to post fake adverts, pushing them to the top of search listings. They don't check to make sure that they are real or not and then when there are complaints they happily remove them and keep the money.

Do no evil my arse.
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Ah, about the entire market? Fine, then. I don't follow such things.

Then why would you talk about things you don't know about?

Apple fell about 10% just last quarter after earnings. So an Apple fanboy gloating when the exact same thing happens to google sounds really stupid.

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You listen. You deride and mock, but at least you listen.

What are you, 11 years old?
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