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Apple's newly unveiled textbook initiative for the iPad with iBooks 2 was a project spearheaded by the late Steve Jobs before his death.

Speaking with Peter Kafka of All Things D, McGraw-Hill CEO Terry McGraw said that he met with Jobs last June about the project and discussed their goals. McGraw-Hill is one of the first publishers already on board with Apple's new e-textbooks for iBooks 2, which cost no more than $14.99 each.

"He (Jobs) should be here. He probably is (in spirit)," McGraw said. "This was his vision, this was his idea, and it all had to do with the iPad."

The CEO said he's been interested in the iPad as a learning tool since Apple first launched the device in 2010. He sees Apple's new iBooks 2 platform as a way for textbooks to evolve and improve education.

"Apple has really essentially turbocharged the process (of building e-books), and it's just going to open up the world of learning to more people," McGraw said. "Anything we can do to be a part of that, we're going to do."




Textbooks were one of three industries Jobs told biographer Walter Isaacson that he had hoped to reinvent. The other two revealed in Jobs's authorized biography were the television and photography.

While Jobs's vision for the future of textbooks was unveiled by Apple at this week's media event in New York City, what the late inventor had in mind for televisions remains to be seen. Rumors continue to persist that Apple is secretly working on a new, voice-controlled television set that could be released as soon as the end of this year.
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Photography's easy. Apple just needs to buy that light field lens company RIGHT NOW and incorporate their stuff into all Apple products.

Television is even easier. A6 Apple TV that does 1080p out, has a better interface than LowTide, and which has deals directly with individual shows instead of channels or the cable/satellite providers.

Education is truly the hard thing.

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I'm very curious how he think he's gonna "reinvent" photography. As a part-time photographer I just see no need.
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I'm very curious how he think he's gonna "reinvent" photography. As a part-time photographer I just see no need.

You don't need to "re-invent" photography to "re-imagine" the workflow process or the learning curve required to produce great photos.

Nothing will ever replace things like how you choose a subject and compose a shot etc - what can change is who easy it is for the unskilled to take a photo that has the same quality as a professional - at least from a technical perspective in terms of capturing an image onto media - at the same time just as a good portion of the 500,000 Apps available for iOS devices are of questionable "quality" in one sense - vanishingly few don't operate or cause problems or crash the device etc.

So I think it is fair to say that Apple has reinvented the smartphone/portable electronics device (market? industry? biosphere?) and they did not have to "re-invent" transistors or computer logic etc to do so.

In other words a little bit of perspective and a heaping dose of sematics would go a long way here.

Which is not to say that the media isn't prone to hyperbole and that "re-invent" may to far to strong a term to be applied here.
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Yes on the light field camera purchase.
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Now if they can just invent a break-proof screen, so it doesn't cost $400 every time the kid drops it on the ground.
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I'm very curious how he think he's gonna "reinvent" photography. As a part-time photographer I just see no need.

Huh, I just finished the book a couple weeks ago and I don't remember anything about reinventing photography. On the other hand the book included quite a bit about how the textbook industry could/should be blown up and rebuilt. That is, the book specifically pointed out that Jobs was passionate about "fixing" the textbook mess; it didn't go into great detail about how he planned to do it. And the now famous "reinvent television" thing is based on maybe half a page of the book.

I just searched the Steve Jobs book on my Kindle for "photography" and that word appears a grand total of 3 times. On the other hand "textbook" shows up 9 times including "Jobs had his sights set on textbooks as the next business he wanted to transform. He believed it was an $8 billion a year industry ripe [for something] (this Kindle touch is so slow and clunky I can't be bothered to find the rest of the quote)."
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Photography's easy. Apple just needs to buy that light field lens company RIGHT NOW and incorporate their stuff into all Apple products.

Television is even easier. A6 Apple TV that does 1080p out, has a better interface than LowTide, and which has deals directly with individual shows instead of channels or the cable/satellite providers.

Education is truly the hard thing.

Plenoptic photography is interesting because it relies on some very clever computation to create the image, but once the image has been synthesized it offers great options for refocusing an already taken picture and even the possibility of repositioning a virtual camera in a scene. Wild stuff.

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I'm very curious how he think he's gonna "reinvent" photography. As a part-time photographer I just see no need.

I was under the impression this one had already been achieved - iPhoto, Aperture, first and foremost.
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Huh, I just finished the book a couple weeks ago and I don't remember anything about reinventing photography. On the other hand the book included quite a bit about how the textbook industry could/should be blown up and rebuilt. That is, the book specifically pointed out that Jobs was passionate about "fixing" the textbook mess; it didn't go into great detail about how he planned to do it. And the now famous "reinvent television" thing is based on maybe half a page of the book.

I just searched the Steve Jobs book on my Kindle for "photography" and that word appears a grand total of 3 times. On the other hand "textbook" shows up 9 times including "Jobs had his sights set on textbooks as the next business he wanted to transform. He believed it was an $8 billion a year industry ripe [for something] (this Kindle touch is so slow and clunky I can't be bothered to find the rest of the quote)."

My first instinct was the same - what are they talking about? You've confirmed the photography discussion is not in the bio. I believe the TV discussion came after the fact - i.e. not included in the book but mentioned copiously by Isaacson while dining out on his imperfect book.
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Education is truly the hard thing.

And I believe that through iBooks2, iTunesU, and Ibooks Author, as well as the work already done with the major publishers Apple has set the ball rolling in a big way. iTunes U is an amazing resource. The way teachers and lecturers now can structure individualized course work trough iTunesU (Now open to K12) things are really going to change. iPads are expensive by themselves but the entire landscape needs to be re-evaluated. Text books are cheap and with grants and financial aid available to students from low income families to purchase iPads this whole thing could ... should ... be a game changer and quite possibly be very cost effective.
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Now if they can just invent a break-proof screen, so it doesn't cost $400 every time the kid drops it on the ground.

How many times do you know where that has happened?

Seriously, we have children ages 12, 13 and 16 [next week]. Each has had an iPad for over a year (we have a total of 6). Each iPad has an iPad case. All have been dropped -- but none have been damaged and all work fine.

If anything, the kids understand the "value" of their iPads and take great care to protect them.

I believe that if children, at a young age, learn the cost-value of their possessions that they will assume appropriate responsibility for them.
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I believe that if children, at a young age, learn the cost-value of their possessions that they will assume appropriate responsibility for them.

What's this? Actually taking the time to raise children to value their possessions and take appropriate care of them causes them to learn how to take care of things owned by themselves and others in the future?

How shocking.

I'm forever in debt to my mother who, in opposition to apparently nearly every single other mother of the people of my generation, continued to pass on the wisdom of all things to me so that I might grow up to fit in more with my respectable elders than the rest of the ilk my age. While I don't generally like to think about time travel to the past (because I love looking forward to future tech too much), I feel I'd fit in much better a few generations ago. I seem to have mannerisms and a mindset lost on people these days.

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What's this? Actually taking the time to raise children to value their possessions and take appropriate care of them causes them to learn how to take care of things owned by themselves and others in the future?

How shocking.

I'm forever in debt to my mother who, in opposition to apparently nearly every single other mother of the people of my generation, continued to pass on the wisdom of all things to me so that I might grow up to fit in more with my respectable elders than the rest of the ilk my age. While I don't generally like to think about time travel to the past (because I love looking forward to future tech too much), I feel I'd fit in much better a few generations ago. I seem to have mannerisms and a mindset lost on people these days.

I agree!

One of the greatest lessons taught/demonstrated by my parents (and theirs) was:

If you cannot afford a quality product, do not buy junk as a substitute -- rather, do without until you can get what you want at a price you want to pay.

A bargain is quality at a good price!

Junk at any price is no bargain -- just junk!

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I agree!

One of the greatest lessons taught/demonstrated by my parents (and theirs) was:

If you cannot afford a quality product, do not buy junk as a substitute -- rather, do without until you can get what you want at a price you want to pay.

A bargain is quality at a good price!

Junk at any price is no bargain -- just junk!


+1 I was taught the same lessons. All so true.

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nobody has mentioned apple's cut of an ibook yet. Are we to assume its the same 30% they take on music?
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How many times do you know where that has happened?

Seriously, we have children ages 12, 13 and 16 [next week]. Each has had an iPad for over a year (we have a total of 6). Each iPad has an iPad case. All have been dropped -- but none have been damaged and all work fine.

If anything, the kids understand the "value" of their iPads and take great care to protect them.

I believe that if children, at a young age, learn the cost-value of their possessions that they will assume appropriate responsibility for them.

I agree. Obviously all 'school' iPads need to be insured and above all, proper covers are key.
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I will be interested to see how they deal with iBooks on iPhone. All of this new interactivity and large layouts seem a little much for iPhone screen size and I don't see how they can have iBooks 2 just for iPad and iBooks for iPhone as two different levels of capability with almost the same name. Seems confusing for the end user.

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Here is some interesting information (highlights mine):

Lots of possibilities to improve learning [education]!

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A Magazine Is an iPad That Does Not Work.m4v

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I will be interested to see how they deal with iBooks on iPhone. All of this new interactivity and large layouts seem a little much for iPhone screen size and I don't see how they can have iBooks 2 just for iPad and iBooks for iPhone as two different levels of capability with almost the same name. Seems confusing for the end user.

I think there are some iOS apps that work only on the iPad -- larger screen, etc.

I don't think schools (especially K-12) will be as permissive with smart phones in the classrooms as with WiFi-only iPads.
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How many times do you know where that has happened?

Seriously, we have children ages 12, 13 and 16 [next week]. Each has had an iPad for over a year (we have a total of 6). Each iPad has an iPad case. All have been dropped -- but none have been damaged and all work fine.

If anything, the kids understand the "value" of their iPads and take great care to protect them.

I believe that if children, at a young age, learn the cost-value of their possessions that they will assume appropriate responsibility for them.

Understanding the value of your iPad or iPhone does not help if someone bumps into you and knocks it out of your hand. But I suppose it would be your fault for not holding it properly in the first place, as Steve would say.

And I suppose cars should not have seat belts or airbags because the person driving that car should know how to drive safely.

And I suppose Apple should not have developed Magsafe power connectors either because your dog should know to stay away from the cord.

Are you going to come back with a response like "Since you seem to encounter so many dangers every day, how can you even go outside"?
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I think there are some iOS apps that work only on the iPad -- larger screen, etc.

I don't think schools (especially K-12) will be as permissive with smart phones in the classrooms as with WiFi-only iPads.

I guess that is the intended use of iBooks Author, textbooks only. Do you think that Apple will allow us to use the iBooks Author for regular non-textbooks iBooks? I'm sure everyone wants to use the new features for, art books, magazines, comics, everything. The way I look at it, this new iBooks format essentially replaces ePub on iOS entirely.

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I guess that is the intended use of iBooks Author, textbooks only. Do you think that Apple will allow us to use the iBooks Author for regular non-textbooks iBooks? I'm sure everyone wants to use the new features for, art books, magazines, comics, everything. The way I look at it, this new iBooks format essentially replaces ePub on iOS entirely.

I think that this initial release is tightly focused on the the textbook store, iPad and High Schools.

I suspect that they will expand support in the future.


There are some interesting bypasses:

1) You can create an iBook and email the .ibooks format to anyone -- then they drag it to iBooks and sync to their iPads (no iBook store involved).

2) You can export to pdf or text format for use on the web or other devices.

Specific to your question about non-textbooks... you can do that now and I suspect that Apple will approve them for the iBook store.

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Understanding the value of your iPad or iPhone does not help if someone bumps into you and knocks it out of your hand. But I suppose it would be your fault for not holding it properly in the first place, as Steve would say.

And I suppose cars should not have seat belts or airbags because the person driving that car should know how to drive safely.

And I suppose Apple should not have developed Magsafe power connectors either because your dog should know to stay away from the cord.

Are you going to come back with a response like "Since you seem to encounter so many dangers every day, how can you even go outside"?

No, not really! My oldest grandchild got my original 2007 iPhone (SimLess) as a hand-me-down in 2008.

She was at middle school with the iPhone in her book bag and a kid hit it with a baseball bat cracking the screen... not her fault.

Later, she was spinning [fooling] around with her Mom's 3GS -- and dropped the phone flat on the kitchen floor, shattering the glass and digitizer... her fault!

But, she learned from her mistake and takes very good care of her iPad.

We have 1 extra iPad in the house that often goes with one of the grandkids to a sleep-over or for a friend to play a multiplayer game (in the front yard/driveway)... So far no problems -- they always know where there iPads are!
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I saw this latest Apple Educational Event in my iTunes and I was blown away! Cant come up with enough compliments!

Then I read a few articles with some criticism as to the Restrictive Rules, Monopoly, Censorship allegations. Some arguments were pretty convincing, but I am sure with time iBooks 2 Business Model will be adjusted and itll settle in...

Then I mentioned iBooks 2 + iBook Author to a friend who is an educator. Even though he is a huge Apple, he said:

$500 price will be a barrier
Are you gonna give each kid iPad so that they break or and lose it, or have it stolen?
Who pays for it?
Schools are broke!
Budget cuts...

I didnt have an answer, but I am still in love with iBooks 2 + iBook Author, cause I see it as a Bright Future! But my friends comments were hard to argue with!!! I wonder how you would respond to those concerns?

So maybe this iBooks 2 Revolution wont happen overnight, but it will happen! Then Google and or others will try to replicate it, and it might be iPhone vs, Android all over again!!! If that is to happen, it would be hard to accuse Apple of being a Monopoly, cause theyll have competition...

The Politics of who decides on which book is supposed to be taught in which County, State in the US - thats not going away anytime soon...

Still, I was blown away enough to be highly optimistic about iBooks 2 + iBook Author! Its not a matter of If, but How Fast itll happen! How extremely fortunate kids of the future will be! And iBooks 2 + iBook Author will only get better with time, as all else in tech does!

Here are some other Obvious Questions:

If most of our reading in general will be done on the screens, How would that effect our Eyes Health?
Are Glossy Screens less Healthy than Anti-Glare Screens?
Reading outdoors in the day light on iPads vs. Kindle and other Screens, How will Apple solve that?

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It has all his hallmarks. The last few projects of a dying man. This, iPad 3 and iPhone 5 and whatever else in 2012 will be all about Steve's very last great visions that he's been closely involved in.

Sure, beyond 2012 there'll be Steve-inspired stuff, but 2012 will see the stuff he was last *closely involved* in.

I'm just floored by how the dots connect, like I said, for Apple, but also for me personally.
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Reading outdoors in the day light on iPads vs. Kindle and other Screens, How will Apple solve that?

I still don't get this argument. You're outside with a portable device. If there's direct sun glare, MOVE. IT'S PORTABLE.

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Oh, not you, too!

Sentiment agreed, though.

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$500 price will be a barrier
Are you gonna give each kid iPad so that they break or and lose it, or have it stolen?
Who pays for it?
Schools are broke!
Budget cuts...

I didn’t have an answer, but I am still in love with iBooks 2 + iBook Author, cause I see it as a Bright Future! But my friend’s comments were hard to argue with!!! I wonder how you would respond to those concerns?

What you must understand is that the Education stuff is the trojan horse. What this really is, is
HyperCard for iPad

This is massive. This is basically Authorware, Director and Flash for iPad. In it's very infancy. Once they make it more interactive over the next few years, you will see Apps as a way to do certain things (ie. more functional-oriented), and iBooks as a way to do Apps in massively easier way for more content-oriented things.

This is the start of the next iGold rush. This is huge. Mark my words. Some of y'all know this already. There's something stirring in you knowing that this is the start of the next phase of iPad. Content creation for iPad is no longer limited to Apps and Xcode.

Education is just the classic Apple "hook", part of Steve and Apple's extremely brilliant marketing plan, "killing you softly" as always. It's the "bling" on an actually very attractive person.

Also, HTML widgets with Javascript = Xcode bypass
. Prepare for extremely large influx of web developers dying to get onto iPad, like me.
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oh, not you, too!
Sentiment agreed, though.

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I still don't get this argument. You're outside with a portable device. If there's direct sun glare, MOVE. IT'S PORTABLE.

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Lots of possibilities to improve learning [education]

Dick, HyperCard. I know people are going to get sick of me repeating it, but I know you get it. HyperCard is back, babyyy. And... Authorware. When I first saw that in high school work experience in 1993, wow.

The memories are flooding back thick and fast. That was also around the time of my first date (I was 15). Let's just say the date went real bad but I've improved my "skills" in that area over a (long, long, long) time.
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Now if they can just invent a break-proof screen, so it doesn't cost $400 every time the kid drops it on the ground.

It's called AppleCare+.
Or you could beat your kid silly until they learn.
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Huh, I just finished the book a couple weeks ago and I don't remember anything about reinventing photography.

I just searched the Steve Jobs book on my Kindle for "photography" and that word appears a grand total of 3 times.

The keyword to search with is 'photographs' and you will find a short section in 'Round Three, The Twilight Struggle' where Isaacson writes:

Jobs had many other ideas and projects that he hoped to develop. He wanted to disrupt the textbook industry and save the spines of spavined students bearing backpacks by creating electronic texts and curriculum material for the iPad. He was also working with Bill Atkinson, his friend from the original Macintosh team, on devising new digital technologies that worked at the pixel level to allow people to take great photographs using their iPhones even in situations without much light. And he very much wanted to do for television sets what he had done for computers, music players, and phones: make them simple and elegant. “I’d like to create an integrated television set that is completely easy to use,” he told me. “It would be seamlessly synced with all of your devices and with iCloud.” No longer would users have to fiddle with complex remotes for DVD players and cable channels. “It will have the simplest user interface you could imagine. I finally cracked it.”
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I am beginning to wonder if iBooks Author was actually a project approved by Jobs. For all the crap he dished out on Adobe for Flash being proprietary and buggy, this iBooks Author application is just like Flash.

The .ibooks format is really buggy and iBooks made with the Author crash a lot. The "Life on Earth" title crashes often for me on iPad 1. And the binary file format is totally not open standards friendly like Steve was always preaching. In fact, iBooks is almost identical to Flash in every way except the application is free. Apple has a different model to monazite it. But other than that it is totally like Flash. You have to use Apple's dashcode, Apple's Quartz composer and the only video is .m4v.

I think Steve may have wanted to change the way we buy and read textbooks, but I'm not sure this was his vision. It looks like it has been in the works for a long time but also looks like it was rushed out the door as well. Maybe Steve nixed it but the new Apple resurrected it.

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The "Life on Earth" title crashes often for me on iPad 1.

Oh, good. It's not just me. I haven't even gotten the stupid thing to open; all it ever shows is the book opening and then flashes to the light grey variant of Linen and stays there, frozen. It renders my version of iBooks completely useless unless I load up my own book that I'm making in iBooks Author (which supersedes the commands from the currently-open book) or delete iBooks from my iPad entirely. That's completely unacceptable.

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In fact, iBooks is almost identical to Flash in every way except the application is free. Apple has a different model to monazite it. But other than that it is totally like Flash. You have to use Apple's dashcode, Apple's Quartz composer and the only video is .m4v.

I like that assessment. I would have greatly preferred iBooks Author exporting to .ePub files but use a new enough standard that only iDevices can open them.

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I still don't get this argument. You're outside with a portable device. If there's direct sun glare, MOVE. IT'S PORTABLE. Oh, not you, too! Sentiment agreed, though.

! I agree, but then shade is not always available, so "moving" is not always an option! Waiting till shade is available is a different story!

Ideally, it'd be nice if the All Screens were Anti-Glare, Not Glossy, and Simulated Nice Paper as closely as possible!!! The Added advantage is that, unlike paper, with iPads one can read at night, and, if it's Anti-Glare, Non Glossy Screen, it's even healthier for our eyes, I suspect, and it's not just a matter of Taste/Preference!

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What you must understand is that the Education stuff is the trojan horse. What this really is, is
HyperCard for iPad

This is massive. This is basically Authorware, Director and Flash for iPad. In it's very infancy. Once they make it more interactive over the next few years, you will see Apps as a way to do certain things (ie. more functional-oriented), and iBooks as a way to do Apps in massively easier way for more content-oriented things.

This is the start of the next iGold rush. This is huge. Mark my words. Some of y'all know this already. There's something stirring in you knowing that this is the start of the next phase of iPad. Content creation for iPad is no longer limited to Apps and Xcode.

Education is just the classic Apple "hook", part of Steve and Apple's extremely brilliant marketing plan, "killing you softly" as always. It's the "bling" on an actually very attractive person.

Also, HTML widgets with Javascript = Xcode bypass
. Prepare for extremely large influx of web developers dying to get onto iPad, like me.

I like this reply, cause it projects a lot of OPTIMISM, which is always nice!

As expected, there are always critics when something NEW comes around in general, and so Apple New Products Introductions are always going to have skeptics! That is why Optimism is nice to have! Thanks!

BTW, I spoke that same friend of mine, the educator, again, and his concerns are still there, based upon Budget Cuts, teachers being laid off etc. This educator is a huge Apple Fan, like me..., but he is on the "front lines" of Academia/Education and so I can't argue with him. Worse yet, he is in so-called Good School District, so God help all those who are in a more poor areas, where schools are a lot worse!

But then, who say that iBooks = Text Books and iPads Only!!! Maybe they will be extended to Macs too, so that on laptops or with Magic Trackpad, the Interactivity would be almost, if not completely, the same the iPad Touch Experience!

HTML 5 is getting closer too, so maybe it'll play into this whole iBooks 2/iAuthor Revolution/Reinvention... Hey, whatever makes a better product, I am for it!!!

I'll take Optimism anywhere I can find it... ! Thanks you guys for your Replies! That's why I enjoy Apple Insider!

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