New Apple suit claims Galaxy Nexus infringes on 'slide-to-unlock' feature - Page 4

I for one am not afraid to state that I think DaHarder's battery life claims are complete bullshit. He's a troll with a copy of Photoshop. Until independently confirmed, which they won't be, his claims can simply be dismissed as nonsense.

Not to beat a dead horse but the reason why you are being called out on your personal experience claim is because you didn't make an attempt to demonstrate a more plausible scenario for such long battery life....such as the possibility/probability of the phone being on standby for 16 of those 30 hours while you sleep.. You conveniently left out pertinent information for us dumb guys to assume. If I were to make a claim like you, I would disclose large periods of inactivity as not to lead readers to believe that my 'rather heavy use' didn't happen during the whole time span. See how that might come across more genuine? \

Full disclosure, when not backed up with actual proof or published, verifiable statistics, makes for a more honest debate amongst members rather than the "no you didn't....yes I did" type of contradictory dialog.

Awesome! Where did you get the ICS tutorial? I have 2 Touchpads that would love some ICS!

I, for one, am not afraid to state that I think anonymouse's baseless refutal of what has been presented is complete BS. He's an infamous bandwagon-jumping-upon AI troll with a known brand/platform bias and a horrible attitude towards anything that isn't Apple. Until his doubts are independently confirmed, which they won't be, his naysaying rhetoric can simply be dismissed as completely ignorant nonsense.

Try This: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/15509-rel...od-9-touchpad/

Thank you! My Touchpads will be sporting a little ICS love today.....

Ha, ha, ha, yeah, nice try, dude, but it's not going to make your "claims" any more believable. Why don't you submit them to some Android device manufacturers. If they are true, they'll be all over you, and we'll have confirmation when the next generation of Android devices demonstrates multi-day battery life*. We won't hold our breath.


* under "heavy use"

I detailed how your images of battery life were suspect. You choose to ignore my comments because I was right. I'll bring them back up to show everyone what you are ignoring since you're going to make personal attacks and then whine when others beat down your arguments.

I agree with both of you simply because he had no reply to my post #121. Plus, does he have multiple shots of his screen, apparently from different days, showing off his battery life.....just for kicks? \

To be clear, no one thinks his efforts to strength his battery life are BS I think he's not a masterful job in getting his phone to last that long it's the claim that he a heavy user despite not qualifying how he determined this title.

Actually, I think everything he has posted in this thread (and beyond!) is BS.

His turning his display brightness down to the minimum (or damn near it) shows that he's going to extreme measures to preserve battery life. This is backed up by his battery usage results. That's something to triumph, I guess; I'll at least give him that much. The BS is saying he's a heavy user when the facts he's presented and the data from independent reviewers say differently about battery life.

I don't believe his battery usage results. I think everything he's posted is faked.

We can disagree on this and I don't think either one of us will be offended or start whining due to opposing viewpoints.

There are no Photoshop artifacts on his images. He's either super skillful, or more likely those aren't faked.

In fact taking a picture of the screen as opposed to using the gnex screenshot method was probably done to reduce claims of Photoshop.

Let's do some math.

The screenshot proposes around 32HRS of battery life.


In the 32 hr period of the above screenshot, let'assume he slept for 8hrs in that period and the phone was idle.

So 32 - 8 = 24hrs.

So 'ets assume he works. But he's still using his phone periodically at work. Not heavily though. Average job is 8 hrs, maybe he has an hour lunch. So 9 hrs. So let's say 6 more standby hours.
(3 hrs of periodic use over the course of 9...a generous estimate)

18

Now averaging maybe 15 mins of use per hour that means 45 of inactivity. -13.5hrs (4.5 he's of use)
averaging 20 mins use/40 active -12 (6hrs of use)
averaging 30 mins use/30 active -9 (9hrs of use)

Two of those scenarios are pretty plausible.

Perhaps he slept more than 8, perhaps he's not allowed to use his phone at work at all, perhaps his definition of heavy doesn't involve a FPS game, 10 hrs of music and browsing the web for 5 hrs.

Either way using his battery calibrations getting 32 hrs (with an average of 6.5 hrs of actual activity) using 76 percent of the battery seems to be pretty plausible.

that's roughly 2.5% per hour.

The same phone in my hands btw, would be lucky to last 12 hrs...as I am a VERY heavy phone user.

DaHarder also has like 40 phones 10 tablets, etc...for some of that 32 hrs he may not have really been using THAT phone at all.

There are more than enough possibilities in this scenario to warrant a belief.

I don't even get why you guys are being so combative as he never claimed the phone is better than anything Apple...just that HIS calibrations + HIS usage patterns = good battery life.

Relax.


PS. New thoughts....those 32hrs are obviously spanning multiple days...he could've slept TWICE (average 8, so 16hrs) and therefore only had 16 hrs of time to actually use the phone.

Point being, it is believable.

I share that opinion, but consider that battery estimates can be wildly optimistic too, or downright wrong. The fully charged electric Nissan Leaf might say you have 75mi range left, but as soon as you start it and drive off, the range estimate might change to 35mi before settling at 63mi. And I also recall that the first-generation iPhone using the original 1.x software could easily run for 3-4 days between charges, including short phone calls and daily web surfing, if brightness was turned down--not to minimum, but something comfortable for indoor use. If your phone spends 22 hours out of each day in sleep mode, it might account for estimates in the multiday range, particularly if the estimate takes into account how much of the time the phone spends in sleep mode.

BS.

Neonode had prior art along with utility patents to go along with it.

some one isn't being very honest about their battery usage..pretty easy to tell just by comparing the graphs at the top

Here's my Nexus batttery and usage:

(screen is set at full brightness)

Hmmm... interesting little rant there, but nothing I've posted in this article/thread has anything whatsoever to do with 'battery estimates' and are, in fact, the actual times I'm getting between charges on my Samsung Galaxy Nexus under the various usage scenarios outlined... and no, I do not have the screen brightness at its lowest setting (more like 50%) or any other such nonsense that would effectively render the device nearly unusable.

As far as all of this raving about what constitutes 'rather heavy usage', which is exactly what I posted (notice that word rather ?), said criteria depends upon individual usage habits, not some set standard, and for me that entails a dozen or so phone calls, along with various texts, web searches, as well as random Tweets and FaceBook updates.

Personally, I'm quite pleased with the battery life I've been able to achieve with my Galaxy Nexus using only the tools and adjustment native to the core OS, and if you're not... Oh Well.

That's nice, now how about to turn that display brightness to 50%, turn off BT, GPS, and disable any/all unnecessary psh notifications etc, and try again ?

Moreover, why don't you go ahead and adjust your device usage to exactly what I do with mine while you're at it...

22hrs is good battery time with no optimizations though...

Those images are helpful.

1) You positioned the camera to take the entire screen without trying to obfuscate other details displayed on screen.

2) You should images that clearly show how much time the CPU, display et al. were actually in use, instead of only showing the time since the last time it was charged and then claiming you are a "heavy user"

So you used 75% of your battery with the screen on for 1h:43m:22s. That's a metric that is quantifiable and useful. Your results show that the Galaxy Nexus has good battery life. Clearly DaHarder knows how to show the information but he's chosen not to because he's less being less than honest here. That much is clear, the question is why go to all that trouble?

What I find interesting about your pics is the graph itself.
Yours has a very nice slowly declining line which usually happens when the phone is idle.
Notice how mine has dips and straight lines. Shows that the phone is actually being used

And I have an Android so my phone is nothing like yours aside from the hardware.
Cause if I really wanted a phone like everyone else and the only difference was a different wallpaper and apps
Than I would have bought an iPhone. Lol

salud


suggestion though...can you shrink your images or perhaps offer a thumbnail link instead...they are taking up a lot of space.

How conveniently disingenuous/hypocritical of you, because (as so many of your previous replies to my posts have proven) had I featured anything more than the absolutely minimum of pics (namely one) in any of my posts, you (and your legion of minions) would have gone on some inane tirade about 'there he goes posting more pics' or other such nonsense, and you know it.

AI's Global Moderator, melgross very specifically posted, "Android phones [which] have been plagued with poor battery life in general", and I took the opportunity to inform him that his generalization was simply not borne out by the fact that my Android-powered Galaxy Nexus does, in fact, get very good battery life... Nothing More/Nothing Less, and it was you (and your little cheerleading squad) that chose to turn that completely innocuous/factual statement of into such an unnecessary back-and-forth.

Anyway... Good to know that you've finally come around and we can wholeheartedly agree "that the Galaxy Nexus has good battery life" (seemingly even without the adjustments I chose to make on mine), which is exactly what I sought to illustrate.

Mission Accomplished!

Watermarked images of what you own isn't the same as informative screenshots that are germane to the discussion. As previously stated, your posts are fabrications and deceptive either using lies or unqualified terms to make claims that don't exist.

I pointe earlier Android phones with good battery life when I posted several images from AnandTech's testing. So right there at two things you at lying about: I am fine with posting images and noted devices with good battery life.

PS: I believe you are a heavy user but it's not your Galaxy Nexus that comes to mind.

Sure...Whatever... always with the snide little personal jabs when clearly defeated.

Like I said, Mission Accomplished!

BTW: Given that I was extremely clear in posting that it was, AI's Global Moderator, melgross that posted, "Android phones [which] have been plagued with poor battery life in general", why exactly are you reacting so defensively, as though it was you that said the aforementioned and was then challenged on said misconception? :-/

It's amazing the stuff you write without intention of looking foolish.

• http://www.urbandictionary.com/#defi...20accomplished

More so...

It's amazing the foolishness you write with the desperate intention of looking amazing... while failing so miserably

Anyway... Back to the ignore box with you.

Troll puts someone on ignore list Reminds me of ginogoneforever on IMDB boards. The level of idiocy reached is amazing.

That would be in the W sense of "mission accomplished", right?

Because even the Android owners think you are bullshitting.

That's Nice...

Though for any intelligent, non-brand-partisan individual taking the time to look back on what you've posted and what I've posted during this conversation (among others), the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn would be that it is the likes of you who are the true TROLLS, offering absolutely nothing of merit to the discussion, only behaving like to emaciated vultures sitting on a telephone wire instigating solely with the intention of stirring the pot in hopes of getting a little nibble of the action.

@Povilas - ONE single 'Android owner' with a device set-up much differently than my own does not present a same use situation, so you can save that nonsense as well - as in: You Fail.

..and finally. so things are very clear, as a retired serviceman, the only 'Mission Accomplished' that means anything to me is the decades old definition of the term within the Armed Forces, one which indicates an indisputably Completed Task, not some misuse of said term by someone with a seemingly lower IQ and integrity-level than even you two.

Anyway... Back To the Article Topic: Hopefully this will be one of those law suits that Apple loses, because when all's said and done the similarities in both look and function between the two lock-screens simple isn't there.

1) The issue isn't that his phone is set up differently than yours, it's that you lied about your usage habits. He undeniably proved you to be a fraud. He backed up his proof with details you failed to note or addressed when questioned about it prior to his posting.

2) The meaning of "Mission Accomplished" was derived from Bush's May 1st, 2003 speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. A Nimitz-class supercarrier. Owned and operated by the US Navy. Stated by the Commander and Chief of the US Armed Forces. What part of that could possibly not be understood by someone who is a "serviceman"? Note: the official date for the end of Iraq War is December 18th, 2011.

3) If you continue to make personal attacks I will report you.

About time you pull some images with iPads and iPhones and Androids in the same image, so what you mumble here looks 'relevant' and 'credible'.

Please don't, it's just too amusing to read his stuff.

Heh. I also noticed how trolls try to take the high road by pretending to get back on topic after massively derailing a thread. They don't see the irony.

Heh. I also noticed how trolls jump on inane bully-bandwagons when they so obviously have nothing of merit to add to the actual conversation.

They don't even see the utter hypocrisy of their own actions.

Maybe we are overthinking this, maybe he's just that dumb. Plain and simple.

@ Povilas, Attack the post not the poster. DaHarder makes enough personal attacks around here, we don't need to add to it if our arguments are sound.

You Tell Em' Coach!