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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

I've often wondered what the tinkering is intended to achieve. Is the end point some actual enhanced functionality or just non-standard personalization of the interface? Or something else again? Is it worth the effort?

Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).

Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Other people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.

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post #42 of 172
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Originally Posted by MarquisMark View Post

Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).

Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Some people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.

Yes - I have no issues with doing it for fun as I've been doing that myself with computers for years. I just hadn't figured out whether there was more to it with phones.
post #43 of 172
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

I've often wondered what the tinkering is intended to achieve. Is the end point some actual enhanced functionality or just non-standard personalization of the interface? Or something else again? Is it worth the effort?

It's more like a hobby I suppose. For the most part now my phones stay one way after initial tinkering. I use to be heavy into change for change's sake but now I don't even do anything beyond flash a ROM stylize it and call it a day.

But yea. Short version, hobby.
post #44 of 172
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Android is a stolen OS. Apple as no choice but to protect its IP.

Who did they steal it from? Or are you parrotting an often hyperbolic man?
post #45 of 172
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Android is a stolen OS. Apple as no choice but to protect its IP.

Just grab a cup of coffee and relax. Or chill, if you prefer synonyms.

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post #46 of 172
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Not that I'm aware of; but there's their products as prior art. Consequently, Apple's patent needed to be very specific in order to have sufficient novelty. As a result of this, Galaxy Nexus can easily be shown in court to differ sufficiently from Apple's patent.

Apple's first "side to unlock" patent was very general and can likely be invalidated by prior art.

A method of unlocking a hand-held electronic device, the device including a touch-sensitive display, the method comprising: detecting a contact with the touch-sensitive display at a first predefined location corresponding to an unlock image; continuously moving the unlock image on the touch-sensitive display in accordance with movement of the contact while continuous contact with the touch screen is maintained, wherein the unlock image is a graphical, interactive user-interface object with which a user interacts in order to unlock the device; and unlocking the hand-held electronic device if the moving the unlock image on the touch-sensitive display results in movement of the unlock image from the first predefined location to a predefined unlock region on the touch-sensitive display.

The second is much more specific and it's hard to see Google's "slide to unlock" feature coming under this patent.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyTab View Post

No, that is copyright law. You don't automatically lose a patent for not enforcing it.

No, that is trademark law. You don't automatically lose a copyright for not enforcing it.
post #48 of 172
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

Yes - I have no issues with doing it for fun as I've been doing that myself with computers for years. I just hadn't figured out whether there was more to it with phones.

Ah, well specific to phones would be customization (more icons per page, more tabs in the browser, etc.). I also know guys who get into the Android kernel to do speed tweaks, overclocking, or speed governing for power savings. That kind of stuff is half for the end result and half for the act of doing it (aka "because it was there" mentality).

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post #49 of 172
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Originally Posted by MarquisMark View Post

Ah, well specific to phones would be customization (more icons per page, more tabs in the browser, etc.). I also know guys who get into the Android kernel to do speed tweaks, overclocking, or speed governing for power savings. That kind of stuff is half for the end result and half for the act of doing it (aka "because it was there" mentality).

Most Android users dont know any of that stuff
post #50 of 172
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Originally Posted by Just_Me View Post

Most Android users dont know any of that stuff

The two arguments that makes sense for Windows users is their paid apps can be used on new Windows PCs regardless of vendor and they don't have to learn a new system. I never hear these excuses in regards to Android (though I hear the former as a slam against Apple because they lock you in I their evil-ecosystem). It's always about the ability to root the device and access the file system blah blah blah.

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post #51 of 172
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Originally Posted by Just_Me View Post

Most Android users dont know any of that stuff

That part of the post was specific to the hardcore tinkerers...the people with the ugliest homescreens but the fastest phones.

(it seems the average person has no sense of design regardless of platform...Android (and windows) makes it a lot easier to "uglify your sh*t.")
post #52 of 172
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

The two arguments that makes sense for Windows users is their paid apps can be used on new Windows PCs regardless of vendor and they don't have to learn a new system. I never hear these excuses in regards to Android (though I hear the former as a slam against Apple because they lock you in I their evil-ecosystem). It's always about the ability to root the device and access the file system blah blah blah.

I think you lost the topic somewhere...
post #53 of 172
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

The more rational among us know that there's absolutely no case here, and that'll likely be what the courts determine as well.

Apple (and a few others) have become little more than patent trolling bullies, and it's time it came to a stop.

There are other ways to do this. Slide to unlock is just a clever and easy way. But touching several spots in a certain order would work just as well, and take about the same amount of time. It's just laziness on the part of others to copy this.
post #54 of 172
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

This is patented by Apple:



Along with line art that resembles the image.

The Galaxy Nexus implementation should not be covered by the patent.

That not exactly what is patented. You're taking several individual things and conglomerating them together. The graphics may be copyrighted, but the patent is about what happens, and how it happens.
post #55 of 172
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

oh...so the patent is about the idea of interacting with a touch screen using a slide motion to initiate an action such as unlocking the device?

No, you can't get a patent for an idea, as you should know by now. You do know that, don't you? The patent is about what is being accomplished, and HOW it is being done, on the level of the software, and interaction with the screen.
post #56 of 172
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Originally Posted by sranger View Post

Well,

I have a Galaxy Nexus and I can say with 100% certainty, that it is NOT a slide to unlock feature. When you put you finger on the unlock icon, a floating circle appears. You can then move your finger in any (360 degree) direction and the ball follows. When you move close to an icon on the outer circle (Just two for now, Unlock and Camera) the ball snaps to the icon. If you lift your finger, it performs the action of the icon. For now it unlocks the phone or opens the camera app. In the next Android update, you will be able to put your own app icons on the circle and have it go straight to them......

I just can't see how Apple is going to win this one....

Nor should they 'win this one', and as someone who owns/uses both devices on a daily basis, they 'look/feel' and function very differently.

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post #57 of 172
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Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

I tested a Galaxy Nexus for 30 days with my IP4s. It does not look or feel or imitate the iPhone at all! It is almost 5 inches long and it does not use a slide to unlock like the iPhone...it shows a picture of a lock and you move it in the general direction to the right to unlock. You can also use facial recognition as well. Apple is really stretching with this one.
I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer.

A correction to the below post. My error in commenting on his comments on which phone has better life, etc. I read the post incorrectly. My apologies.

*You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.

Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.*

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14
post #58 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.

Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14

There is a very real baseband driver issue that is affecting the phenomenal life of many iPhone 4Ses.

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post #59 of 172
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I also agree with AbsoluteDesignz about absurdity of Apple going after Samsung for something that is part of the stock Android 4.0 build.




You added an odd qualifier this time. "Switch' to make it 'sliding switch'. Does the sliding effect how the display switches from a locked mode to an unlocked mode or not? It sure likes you have to slide it to switch modes.

Again, I don't think Apple has a case here but I was commenting on your comment "that it is NOT a slide to unlock feature."

The concept of going after a manufacturer for this purpose, even though the OS was written by another, is common practice, and is perfectly legal all over the world. MS is going after manufacturers of Android devices even though the OS is by Google. This is no different.
post #60 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The concept of going after a manufacturer for this purpose, even though the OS was written by another, is common practice, and is perfectly legal all over the world. MS is going after manufacturers of Android devices even though the OS is by Google. This is no different.

Excellent point and example.

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post #61 of 172
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Originally Posted by squiddy20 View Post

For total transparency, I'll admit that I like and use Android. I should also say that I own a Mac and am quite happy with it. I'm not some biased little idiot screaming "f*ck Apple, Android FTW!!", just putting my (hopefully unbiased) opinion out there.

Now that that's out of the way, this suit is absolutely bogus. Here's my reasoning:
1. If there had been any time for Apple to sue over this patent, it should have been anytime between when Android first came out and just before Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) came out. The reason I think this is because on stock Android's default lockscreen, the ONLY way to unlock the phone is a straight horizontal slide from far left to far right, much like Apple's version. A slide from the opposite side (right to left) usually mutes/unmutes the phone. Any Android version 2.3.7 and below employs this feature and that's when it most resembled iOS's "slide to unlock", not now.
2. As others have pointed out, this suit is absolutely unnecessary simply for the fact that there are at least 5 different ways to unlock the Galaxy Nexus: Face unlock, the standard slide to unlock (the one being argued about here), PIN unlock (4 digits), password unlock (letters, numbers, other characters), pattern unlock, and maybe 1 or two more since I've never seen a Galaxy Nexus in-person. Even if this suit goes in Apple's favor, all Google has to do is take out the slide to unlock feature and (more than likely) pay a fine. Big whoop.
3. The slide to unlock feature on the Galaxy Nexus is (for the most part) completely different than iOS's slide to unlock. I do concede, you are "sliding" something to another location, but in Apple's method, you are constrained to the same straight horizontal, left-to-right motion every single time. With the Galaxy Nexus, you put your finger on the lock icon and you can move it anywhere within the circle that shows up. And supposedly, future updates will allow you to add/subtract things to unlock to and where to place them, furthering the disparity between the two. Not only that, but the start and end points for the methods employed by Android and iOS are different. GN: center to right, iPhone: far left to far right. Again, I am forced to reference my first point, when this suit would have been more applicable.

I think we can all agree (iOS and Android fans alike) this patent slinging is getting ridiculous, regardless of who wins...

I don't know why Apple waited this long. But you have to understand the dance that is going on here. One company comes up with something, and gets a patent. Another company copies that patented feature. That becomes a competitive threat. If Samsung, for example, can copy something Apple has done in hardware, and get away with it, it takes from Apple's sales. If Google can copy something Apple has done in software, and get away with it, it takes away from Apple's sales.

Why should Apple stand by and allow that? They shouldn't. While its true that there are various ways to unlock the screen. Do you know which is the most popular? Which is the second most, etc.? By eliminating one way, Apple will have made Android just that much less enjoyable. Additionally, they will have retained their invention for their own use. The fact that this is for thir own use, shows that those who are calling Apple a patent troll don't know what they are talking about.

I have to add to my post, that I think I remember seeing that just recently received this patent.
post #62 of 172
I see that Apple's US patent on this is mentioned in the article. Is it the case that this is irrelevant here and that only the German "utility" patent is considered? I ask because I was sure that Google had its own gesture unlock patent. I had a scout about and linked to the wrong thing hence the edit. I will see if I can find it.

I have no idea if they also did a similar utility-type patent in Germany though. The whole patent thing does seem to be getting a little out of hand if Google can have this, Apple can have slide-to-unlock but a fast-track type of patent in a single country can cause a lawsuit but might contradict a similar case with a non fast-track patent in the same country. It's no wonder there are lawsuits flying about all over the place.
post #63 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No, you can't get a patent for an idea, as you should know by now. You do know that, don't you? The patent is about what is being accomplished, and HOW it is being done, on the level of the software, and interaction with the screen.

I was mocking his wording...it was a useless comment ultimately...I know you can't patent an idea.
post #64 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.

Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14

He's saying the 4S has longer battery life.
post #65 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

There are other ways to do this. Slide to unlock is just a clever and easy way. But touching several spots in a certain order would work just as well, and take about the same amount of time. It's just laziness on the part of others to copy this.

Actually Android has had a pattern unlock option for a while now.....
post #66 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.

Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14

Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:

"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."

Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
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post #67 of 172
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Not that I'm aware of; but there's their products as prior art. Consequently, Apple's patent needed to be very specific in order to have sufficient novelty. As a result of this, Galaxy Nexus can easily be shown in court to differ sufficiently from Apple's patent.

You're writing that as a statement, when it's just your opinion. The fact is that we don't know what the courts will decide, including appeals.

While its true that some don't like the idea of this patent, that doesn't make it invalid. Even if a judge doesn't like the patent, it doesn't mean that they can invalidate it.
post #68 of 172
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Originally Posted by MarquisMark View Post

Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).

Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Other people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.

To a great extent, it's being able to get apps that can't be gotten from Apple's App Store for various reasons. A great example, and one I see used all the time on Android forums and other sites when discussing this, is getting a tethering app that bypasses the contract they signed when getting on a network.

Seriously, getting a phone because you can change the wallpaper more easily is a bogus reason.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

There is a very real baseband driver issue that is affecting the phenomenal life of many iPhone 4Ses.

That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4’s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.

On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.

It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.
post #70 of 172
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Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

I tested a Galaxy Nexus for 30 days with my IP4s. [...]
I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer.

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You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse.

You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.


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Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read: [...]

so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?

Clearly because he read it wrong.

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post #71 of 172
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

He's saying the 4S has longer battery life.

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Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:

"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."

Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?

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Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post

You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.

Yes guys, you are all right. From the tone of his post it looked the other way around. Somehow, I'm not used to seeing IP4s as the designator for the phone, and I mistook it as another.

It was my boo boo, and I will add to that post my correction. Thanks for noticing it.
post #72 of 172
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.

On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.

It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.

There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.

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You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.

Experiences do differ, but...

There are numerous ways to optimize Android devices for much better battery life, and with the Galaxy Nexus if can be as simple as turning off unnecessary push-notifications (Google+ is what I disabled), and placing it in CDMA-only mode when LTE isn't required/desired.

My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.

Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.

Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.

I don't doubt your experience but what you're experiencing is not what you should be getting from the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4.

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...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.



Which is still quite excellent.

Anyway... I still stand behind my assertion that this whole 'lock screen infringement' claim will likely be thrown out.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.

Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.

I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.

What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.

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...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.



Which is still quite excellent.

Anyway... I still stand behind my assertion that this whole 'lock screen infringement' claim will likely be thrown out.

I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.
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Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.

I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.

I've deduced that it's the baseband driver that is the problem. That is what is rapidly changing in the iOS 5..0.x betas for the 4S. Everyone I know seems to be fine with there 4S but I had the issue. It was bad. I tried all the home remedies and none worked. I ended up returning it when I went to replace it and they didn't have my model in stock that day. I've been keeping a close eye on iOS 5.0.x progress for the 4S and plan on getting the 4S when I feel it's suitably resolved. Chances are I would be fine with the next one I tried but I don't the luxury right now to deal with a phone dying too quickly and multiple returns to the Apple Store so I'm just waiting a bit.

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I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.

In post 73 he explained how he optimized his battery use.
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