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What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.

Listening to heavy metal while reading about heavy metals on Wikipedia while eating a heavy breakfast? It's certainly not continued use for 30 minutes or more per hour.

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I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.

'Odd' or not... The pics clearly show that I'm getting very good battery life from my Galaxy Nexus, and it's consistent with just the minor optimization previously posted.

Here's another one from when I first started exploring ways to increase to battery life: roughly 34.5 hours with 24% remaining under moderate use e.g normal calling, texting, light web surfing/FaceBook/Twitter.



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Now where were we on this whole 'lock screen' issue?
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I've often wondered what the tinkering is intended to achieve. Is the end point some actual enhanced functionality or just non-standard personalization of the interface? Or something else again? Is it worth the effort?

For me anyway it begins as a novelty. Something fun that you can. You find all kinds of different rom to flash that give certain enhancements depending on the developer that cooked the rom. My experience was that the novelty wore off after a while and it just was too much work. But to each his own...for some guys it is a sickness! :-)

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A question judge ask a designer if he/she had copy another's idea: Did you see/know about the patented product before you designed the "copied product?" Can Samsung's designers honestly answer that question?
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What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.

Numerous calls, texts, web surfing, FaceBook postings, Twitter and the occasional web search etc.and... Yes, I'm very impressed with the battery life as well.

"A question judge ask a designer if he/she had copy another's idea: Did you see/know about the patented product before you designed the "copied product?" Can Samsung's designers honestly answer that question?"

Seriously Now... Only Samsung's engineers can answer such a question.
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The concept of going after a manufacturer for this purpose, even though the OS was written by another, is common practice, and is perfectly legal all over the world. MS is going after manufacturers of Android devices even though the OS is by Google. This is no different.

Wow..I never thought of it that way. That is a very good point. But the difference is MS just wants the $$$$ they get from licensing......Apple has NO intention of licensing ANYTHING if they win any of the multitude of lawsuits. They have said they want to kill Android outright.

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Numerous calls, texts, web surfing, FaceBook postings, Twitter and the occasional web search etc.and... Yes, I'm very impressed with the battery life as well.

That's absolutely meaningless. From the image it looks about 35% of the power was used when the phone was in Phone Idle or Cell Standby. And judging by the excessive battery usage of Android OS over Screen, and the image, I'm guessing you have turned your display brightness down to the lowest setting or near it.

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'Odd' or not... The pics clearly show that I'm getting very good battery life from my Galaxy Nexus, and it's consistent with just the minor optimization previously posted.

Here's another one from when I first started exploring ways to increase to battery life: roughly 34.5 hours with 24% remaining under moderate use e.g normal calling, texting, light web surfing/FaceBook/Twitter.



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Now where were we on this whole 'lock screen' issue?

That is awesome battery life!!! When I used the Nexus and my IP4s side by side for 30 days I did not get that kind of battery life. My IP4s can go almost 2 days without a charge with normal (for me anyway) use. My Nexus would only last about 14 hours with the same use. But that was experience I am sure everyone's milage will differ....

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I've deduced that it's the baseband driver that is the problem. That is what is rapidly changing in the iOS 5..0.x betas for the 4S. Everyone I know seems to be fine with there 4S but I had the issue. It was bad. I tried all the home remedies and none worked. I ended up returning it when I went to replace it and they didn't have my model in stock that day. I've been keeping a close eye on iOS 5.0.x progress for the 4S and plan on getting the 4S when I feel it's suitably resolved. Chances are I would be fine with the next one I tried but I don't the luxury right now to deal with a phone dying too quickly and multiple returns to the Apple Store so I'm just waiting a bit.

Still, only a small fraction of people have the problem. If it is hardware, then it must be a small number of phones with defective chips, or something else that's causing this, along with a software interaction. The point is that it's not a design problem or all, or at least most people would have the problem.
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In post 73 he explained how he optimized his battery use.

Doesn't matter. If he shows battery life that's more than twice what tests have shown to be possible, then something's fishy.
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Doesn't matter. If he shows battery life that's more than twice what tests have shown to be possible, then something's fishy.

What tests showed it wasn't possible? Not Anandtech's.
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'Odd' or not... The pics clearly show that I'm getting very good battery life from my Galaxy Nexus, and it's consistent with just the minor optimization previously posted.

Here's another one from when I first started exploring ways to increase to battery life: roughly 34.5 hours with 24% remaining under moderate use e.g normal calling, texting, light web surfing/FaceBook/Twitter.



Oh Well... I'm Happy!

Now where were we on this whole 'lock screen' issue?

I have no problem getting well over a day with moderate use, by my standard of what moderate means. Neither of us is testing under any kind of conditions that are meaningful.
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That is awesome battery life!!! When I used the Nexus and my IP4s side by side for 30 days I did not get that kind of battery life. My IP4s can go almost 2 days without a charge with normal (for me anyway) use. My Nexus would only last about 14 hours with the same use. But that was experience I am sure everyone's milage will differ....

As one who uses devices running several different platforms (on a daily basis) I've become quite adept at optimizing them best for the way I use them, especially those using Android.

I find that far too many people lack the wherewithal (or ability) to do similarly, and instead just give up.

Their Loss.
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What tests showed it wasn't possible? Not Anandtech's.

Just think a little. He states that he had HEAVY use. So it's really easy to interpolate from that by looking at the battery life charts.

Heavy use doesn't mean 50 one minute calls, with 30 2 minute web sessions, and a few minutes of watching video here and there.
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As one who uses devices running several different platforms (on a daily basis) I've become quite adept at optimizing them best for the way I use them, especially those using Android.

I find that far too many people lack the wherewithal (or ability) to do similarly, and instead just give up.

Their Loss.

You should cook up a rom with those optimizations.....you would get a ton of donations in the XDA forums.....
I have had numerous Android phones and tried just about every rom developed with optimizations intended to improve battery life. But have never gotten anywhere near 35 hours of battery life. Are you using the stock battery or is this the extended battery?

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Doesn't matter. If he shows battery life that's more than twice what tests have shown to be possible, then something's fishy.

Nothing 'fishy' about... As a matter of fact, I've made two phone calls, a FaceBook Post and sent a short text message since that initial post, and still have have 32% remaining.



Anyway... You appear bent on believing what you want, even in the face of photographic evidence, so I'll leave you to that.

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Just think a little. He states that he had HEAVY use. So it's really easy to interpolate from that by looking at the battery life charts.

Heavy use doesn't mean 50 one minute calls, with 30 2 minute web sessions, and a few minutes of watching video here and there.

Maybe heavy to him and heavy to you mean two different things. Perhaps he uses it as a actual phone more than a web browser. Dunno. We all use our phones differently. I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he's faked it.
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The Galaxy Nexus does use slide-to-unlock but it doesn't look the same as Apple's lock.

Depending on the wording of the patent it doesn't have to look like the Apple unlock to be a violation. As I recall the wording was merely to have a preset place to unlock the device which is designated by an image that shows where to slide with perhaps words to further explain.

The courts could decide that in fact the Galaxy Nexus fits that bill and is a violation

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Well,

I have a Galaxy Nexus and I can say with 100% certainty, that it is NOT a slide to unlock feature.

The patent made not specify a 'slide' but rather a 'movement' in which case even the circle gesture could qualify

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In post 73 he explained how he optimized his battery use.

That still wouldn't account for the long battery life. IMO, that would only prevent excessive power consumption, bringing it more in the range of the benchmark or stated battery life. "Rather heavy use" with that kind of battery life is extraordinary and, therefore, doubtful, which is why I asked him to elaborate.
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That still wouldn't account for the long battery life. IMO, that would only prevent excessive power consumption, bringing it more in the range of the benchmark or stated battery life. "Rather heavy use" with that kind of battery life is extraordinary and, therefore, doubtful, which is why I asked him to elaborate.

I am able to get 30 days of heavy writing out of my iPad on one charge. I achieve this by keeping it in standby and using a dry erase marker on the glass. Clearly this is the result of superior design by Apple.

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I am able to get 30 days of heavy writing out of my iPad on one charge. I achieve this by keeping it in standby and using a dry erase marker on the glass. Clearly this is the result of superior design by Apple.

How typical or you to resort to inane absurdities when faced with that with which you can't successfully dispute/comprehend.

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This is patented by Apple:



Along with line art that resembles the image.

The Galaxy Nexus implementation should not be covered by the patent.

look I`m black , you are white, but we have the very same pigment. Samsung and google can abstract some pigment but their white is not transparent.
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I am able to get 30 days of heavy writing out of my iPad on one charge. I achieve this by keeping it in standby and using a dry erase marker on the glass. Clearly this is the result of superior design by Apple.

LOVE IT!
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How typical or you to resort to inane absurdities when faced with that with which you can't successfully dispute/comprehend.

Good Luck With That

I already successfully decimated your inane and absurd comments as a "heavy user". Now I'm just playing with my food so to speak.

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That's absolutely meaningless. From the image it looks about 35% of the power was used when the phone was in Phone Idle or Cell Standby. And judging by the excessive battery usage of Android OS over Screen, and the image, I'm guessing you have turned your display brightness down to the lowest setting or near it.

I somehow doubt he can have the brightness at its lowest setting. I remember when he first joined AI he had to center everything because he has a certain vision condition. Just a guess, but I'm sure I'll be corrected.
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I somehow doubt he can have the brightness at its lowest setting. I remember when he first joined AI he had to center everything because he has a certain vision condition. Just a guess, but I'm sure I'll be corrected.

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Is centerjustifyphilia a medical condition?

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I already successfully decimated your inane and absurd comments as a "heavy user". Now I'm just playing with my food so to speak.

You did nothing of the sort, instead you only reinforced (yet again) that you're little more than an overly obtuse, childish, arrogant, needlessly argumentative, disrespectful and arrogant jerk unable to accept that there are those with experience, abilities, and knowledge far exceeding your own in some (often many) areas.

Now Chew (or choke) On That!
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You did nothing of the sort, instead you only reinforced (yet again) that you're little more than an overly obtuse, childish, arrogant, needlessly argumentative, disrespectful and arrogant jerk unable to accept that there are those with experience, abilities, and knowledge far exceeding your own in some (often many) areas.

Now Chew (or choke) On That!

Nothing more childish than that rant.

Better watch out, the mods don't take too kindly to personal attacks.
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You did nothing of the sort, instead you only reinforced (yet again) that you're little more than an overly obtuse, childish, arrogant, needlessly argumentative, disrespectful and arrogant jerk unable to accept that there are those with experience, abilities, and knowledge far exceeding your own in some (often many) areas.

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1) Yes I did.
2) You're projecting.
3) Sometimes.
4) Usually.
5) Nope.
6) Absolutely.
7) Not more than you.
8) Debatable.
9) Not you.
10) You need to cry more before I can begin to choke on your tears.

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Nothing more childish than that rant.

Better watch out, the mods don't take too kindly to personal attacks.

Well then why is this 'SolipsismX' (in all his many guises) still around here, given that all he does is antagonize others and post unprovoked personal attacks?

Don't even bother responding... It'll likely not be worth reading.

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Well then why is this 'SolipsismX' (in all his many guises) still around here, given that all he does is antagonize others and post unprovoked personal attacks?

Don't even bother responding... It'll likely not be worth reading.

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1) All my many guises? Was it really that hard to figure out my new forum name that included my previous name? I deprecated the old when I started the new. Nothing nefarious despite your implications.

2) If you see any ad hominem personal attacks made by me by all means report me but I usually take care to address the post and not the poster. I'm sure you're a lovely gent in person.

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I've often wondered what the tinkering is intended to achieve. Is the end point some actual enhanced functionality or just non-standard personalization of the interface? Or something else again? Is it worth the effort?

You can do anything you want. You can overclock, mess with the file system, change icons, enable free tethering, change fonts/etc, remove useless things, and so on. The benefits are roughly the same as jailbreaking an iPhone, except Android devs often have access to the source of whatever they're modding, so there is more flexibility in a lot of areas (like the kernel), though on iOS there are a lot more devs working on way fewer devices, so the iOS guys manage to get an impressive amount done w/o access to any iOS source code. Hats off to both camps.

It is worth the effort if you care about that kind of thing. If you think installing Linux sounds fun, you'd probably enjoy having a rooted phone. If you think it sounds like a headache with no tangible benefit, you probably wouldn't. A lot of people get carried away and then burnt out, but the thing to do is just pick a ROM that you like and stick with it; flash updates when features are added that you want or a bug that is irking you gets squashed. If you do that, you do a lot less tinkering and a lot more using your phone as a proper consumer electronics device.
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Well then why is this 'SolipsismX' (in all his many guises) still around here, given that all he does is antagonize others and post unprovoked personal attacks?

Don't even bother responding... It'll likely not be worth reading.

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Not that I'm tag-teaming or working in concert with SolipsismX, I feel the need to dispute your claim. Having been more of an observer than a participant in this forum over the past 4 years, I find Solip to be one of the most fair and balanced posters. While he may come across as an Apple evangelist, he also gives credit where credit is due and backs up essentially all of his claims about Apple and doesn't hide the facts when competing smartphones exceed the performance or UI of Apple's products.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you, on the other hand, have only posted 'facts' based on personal usage of the plethora of CE devices you own. Never have I seen Solip post a photo of his own phone boasting about the longevity of battery life based on 'heavy use'. How is that, at all, a scientific or controlled test method? You are making a claim and backing it up with a vague and obtuse explanation and a picture of your phone screen.

From what I see, he's trying to point out to you, albeit with sarcasm, how silly your claims are because they're so baseless. Unprovoked? C'mon dude, you're asking for everything you're getting, IMO.

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1) All my many guises?

Yup. There are only two actual people posting on this forum, him, and everyone else, who are just SolipsismX's many guises.

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No, it wouldn't. The Neonode device does not use slide to unlock. Samsung is pretending that ANY sliding action must be prior art - and that's just not so.

But then, what would you expect from a company whose attorneys in a trade dress suit can't even tell the difference between the original and their copy?

Dutch judges said that Neonode slide to unlock was prior art and warned Apple of not using this patent in the trial because it would be invalidated
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Not that I'm tag-teaming or working in concert with SolipsismX, I feel the need to dispute your claim. Having been more of an observer than a participant in this forum over the past 4 years, I find Solip to be one of the most fair and balanced posters. While he may come across as an Apple evangelist, he also gives credit where credit is due and backs up essentially all of his claims about Apple and doesn't hide the facts when competing smartphones exceed the performance or UI of Apple's products.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you, on the other hand, have only posted 'facts' based on personal usage of the plethora of CE devices you own. Never have I seen Solip post a photo of his own phone boasting about the longevity of battery life based on 'heavy use'. How is that, at all, a scientific or controlled test method? You are making a claim and backing it up with a vague and obtuse explanation and a picture of your phone screen.

From what I see, he's trying to point out to you, albeit with sarcasm, how silly your claims are because they're so baseless. Unprovoked? C'mon dude, you're asking for everything you're getting, IMO.

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And therein lies your (among other's) biggest problem: Ridiculous Assumptions.

FACT: Never once did I claim that anything I posted was based upon "scientific or controlled test methods" - NEVER.

The subject of battery life entered into the conversation when melgross, AI's resident global moderator, replied to geekdad's post with the following:

"You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general." (NOTE: since retracted)

I, in turn, informed him that my Galaxy Nexus is not "plagued with poor battery life" as a result of my taking the time to properly optimize a few settings, even going so far as to "back up essentially all of [my] claims" with actual pics of my very own device's battery usage screen.

All of this other over-the-top nonsense was concocted by yourself and SolipsismX, and upon my providing the aforementioned pictorial evidence of the battery life I am (in fact) getting with my Galaxy Nexus under various usage scenarios, you two choose to resort to the usual childish mocking, negativity, and insults that have sadly become the hallmark of this environment, rather than merely accept that which was clearly presented as my real-world battery life experience with said device.

That you two, or anyone else, can't accept that there are those who's experiences, based upon "based on personal usage", is beyond your own frame-of-reference, is your problem, and not a lack of integrity on my part.

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You can do anything you want. You can overclock, mess with the file system, change icons, enable free tethering, change fonts/etc, remove useless things, and so on. The benefits are roughly the same as jailbreaking an iPhone, except Android devs often have access to the source of whatever they're modding, so there is more flexibility in a lot of areas (like the kernel), though on iOS there are a lot more devs working on way fewer devices, so the iOS guys manage to get an impressive amount done w/o access to any iOS source code. Hats off to both camps.

It is worth the effort if you care about that kind of thing. If you think installing Linux sounds fun, you'd probably enjoy having a rooted phone. If you think it sounds like a headache with no tangible benefit, you probably wouldn't. A lot of people get carried away and then burnt out, but the thing to do is just pick a ROM that you like and stick with it; flash updates when features are added that you want or a bug that is irking you gets squashed. If you do that, you do a lot less tinkering and a lot more using your phone as a proper consumer electronics device.

Good post.

On a semi related note I always suggest Apple devices to new buyers. ICS is finally a fully mature Android but isn't worth the investment for first timers until maybe mid this year. The ecosystem is still mainly legacy.
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Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).

Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Other people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.

For example, Google Wallet.

The hardware to support the functionality is on the GNex. But for whatever BS reason, Verizon had the software held off. Now you can go online to sites like XDA and get the file to install GW.

So with a little internet searching, you can turn your GNex into a debit card.



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Good post.

On a semi related note I always suggest Apple devices to new buyers. ICS is finally a fully mature Android but isn't worth the investment for first timers until maybe mid this year. The ecosystem is still mainly legacy.

I've been installing and using all the legacy apps with no issues. Sure they might not have been updated to take advantage of the new APIs of ICS, but the apps don't become useless just because I'm running ICS instead of GB.


I see that we've ran this thread from the validity of Apple's "slide to unlock" claims to arguing over if DaHarder's methods are reasonable...
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I tote an iPhone 4S and also have ICS on my HP Touchpad, which features the same unlock as the nexus. There's a vague similarity, but otherwise it's not the same. Just my opinion.
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