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If flat tax OK, then how about "flat fines"?

post #1 of 6
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Several high profile politicians on the right often bring up the idea of a 'flat tax', as being more 'fair', than the current tax structure. If so, perhaps the would be open to a similar concept being extended to fines as well? For example, a simple traffic moving violation, such as a speeding ticket (typically $300 here in California) is a major financial hit for the working poor,. however its a mere "annoyance" for someone "comfortably well off"... and to a genuinely wealthy person, it barely registers ... financially the equivalent of leaving a penny in the penny-jar at the grocer's.

In other words, for the same infringement, the punishment is vastly different according to one's financial wellbeing. As in many areas of life, its the the poor who get stomped on the hardest. Is this the way civilized society should be, or is this the way we demonstrate to the poor that our society disapproves of their relative inability to consume?
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post #2 of 6
This is already used in some parts of the world. It is called a "day-fine" because you are fined X days of your normal income.
post #3 of 6
Sammi, you've completely missed the point of the flat tax.

The current system started off simply, but has grown to an impenetrable mass of deductions, loopholes and, quite frankly, abject nonsense disguised as policy.

As we have seen when candidates - left or right - release tax information, they typically employ loopholes to ensure they don't pay tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes that normal people would be subject to. And you are kidding yourself if you think this is happening with politicians alone.

If you have to pay someone to do your tax form, the poor are already at a disadvantage from the time they walk in the door. The flat tax is a concept that makes tax filing transparent and easy, whilst allowing millions of accountants and others to get back to doing something that actually profits the nation.

I personally want to see the system extended so that all companies pay a percentage of income as well, not just those that show a profit on the books. ('Money losing' companies use the same public services as everyone else and shouldn't get a free ride.)

If in the final stages of implementation there ends up being four brackets instead of one, very few people would complain. The point is that all these deductions and loopholes have to be closed, and the flat tax idea is the only one that does that.

Comparing this change to the intent behind the speeding fine system is ridiculous.
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post #4 of 6
We should just outlaw corporate speech and then only tax corporations.


Problem solved.
post #5 of 6
So... you would compare taxes (something we HAVE to pay ... there's no legal way to avoid it,) to fines levied for breaking various laws.

If you don't want to pay the speeding ticket, then JUST DONT SPEED. Easy.

If you don't want to pay taxes, then ... hmm... too gnikcuf bad!

So its just as easy for the "poor guy" to avoid the speeding fine as it is for the "wealthy guy" ... where's the problem?
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post #6 of 6
It's disproportionate punishment. It would be like giving rich people probation and poor people hard time. Oh wait...

 

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