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Apple CEO Tim Cook outlined his thoughts on the company's iOS device performance during Q1 2012 and sees iPhone sales momentum closing the gap with rival handsets running Google's Android platform, while iPad and iPod touch are in a league of their own.

During Apple's Q1 2012 earnings conference call on Tuesday, Cook made it clear that he believes iOS is a key component to the company's future, saying that the success of the iPhone 4S and iPad is indicative of a slow move away from the desktop PC.

When asked if iOS versus Android was becoming a two-horse race similar to the Mac and Windows rivalry, Cook explained that the mobile device market is much more nuanced and is a very important facet to Apple's sustainability.

"The Mac has outgrown the market for over 20 quarters in a row, but still has a single digit percentage of the worldwide market," Cook said. "iOS, you look at phones, tablets, the iPod touch, we've sold over 350 million iOS devices. Over 62 million of those were done in the last quarter alone."

In looking at recent data from analytics firms, the iPhone has been showing steady growth when compared to Android handsets. Despite a shortage of supply, Apple managed to move 37 million iPhones last quarter.

For the Oct./Nov. period in the U.S., which accounts for only a portion of iPhone 4S sales, NPD saw Apple's smartphone holding a 43% market share while Android had 47%. A following report from Nielsen, which adds in month of Decemberm shows iPhone market share slowly increasing to 45% while Android holds steady at 47%.

"It seems like all of the data that I've seen in the U.S. would say that it's a very close race in iPhone [and Android]," Cook notes. "I wouldn't say it's a two-horse race, there's a horse in Redmond that always suits up and always runs and will keep running, and there's other players that we can never count out."

Cook said that Apple will somewhat ignore how many "horses" there are in the crowded mobile marketplace and focus on innovating to "make sure [it's] the lead one."


Apple CEO Tim Cook at the iPhone 4S launch event in October | Source: Reuters


In looking to the future of iOS products, Cook commented that tablets like the iPad will one day surpass the PC market, and sees Apple's offering as being peerless among a litany of models running on Android, Windows and other platforms.

Citing recent IDC data that shows desktop sales in the U.S. were trumped by tablet sales during the last quarter of 2011, Cook claims that there are different indicators for significant momentum in the space.

"We're really happy with the 15.4 million iPads that we were able to sell," Cook said. "This is consistent with our long-term belief that we've had since before we introduced the product that this is a huge opportunity for Apple over time."

The Apple chief doesn't see other tablets like Amazon's Kindle Fire or similar Android models as threats to the iPad's crown. Cook notes that consumers want to use their tablets in a variety of ways and the "limited function" tablets and e-readers simply don't have Apple's robust ecosystem of over 170,000 iPad-optimized apps.

"I think on the iPad side, although I don't have specific numbers to share from third parties, I think that all of us inherently believe that iPad is way ahead there," Cook said, adding that "there's really no comparable product to iPod touch out there, so iOS is doing extremely well. What we focus on is innovating and making the world's best product."
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We're almost 2 years in and the iPad still has no real competition. I don't see that changing in 2012.
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I'm going to quote myself...

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It's fantastic how quick and easy it is to recategorized devices depending on the statistic one is trying to peddle. The iPad is like the chameleon of consumer devices! This is how conversations go down on AI...





These PC OS platform statistics look terrible!
Well duh! OS platforms aren't important. Individual vendors are! Ah, that's a lot better! But these "largest PC vendor" stats don't look right. Apple isn't quite at the top!
You want to beef up those "largest PC vendor" stats, just include the iPad. Simple! Hang on... if the iPad is counted as a "PC" then what are we going to do with the "media tablet" stats?
No worries, just include the iPad there as well! Oh no! I've just realized iOS isn't the highest selling smart phone OS
Well duh! Individual vendors aren't important. OS platforms are! That makes heaps of sense! If only we didn't include the iPad as a PC and a media tablet we could create a new "mobile OS" category that iOS can win!
Well that's where you would be wrong! The iPad fits right in that statistic as well! It's quite obviously a media PC tablet mobile OS device computer Cool. So is Android's growth much higher than iOS at the moment?
Market share doesn't matter. It's all about how many apps your platform has Doesn't Android have a lot of apps as well?
Didn't I just tell you? It's all about the quality of apps your platform has Oh. Well that makes sense. Isn't Android getting a lot of quality apps now as well?
Who cares about that? Don't you even understand how much of the mobile industries profit ends up at Apple? It's more than every other company combined. 70% of the iPhone price is pure profit!!!!!! Doesn't that mean Apple over-charged me for my iPhone?
You don't understand the difference between cost and value. Well now I'm confused.
Fandroid.
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I am delighted with my iPad, and my grandson can hardly wait for the iPad 3, because I promised him the one I have as a hand-me-down.
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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.
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We're almost 2 years in and the iPad still has no real competition. I don't see that changing in 2012.

I do, later this year. Android tablets will come and go and cannibalize each other. Tim alluded to it, the sleeping giant in the room is Microsoft. While I'm beyond positive the reception here is one of point and laugh, but Windows 8 tablets will get attention in the larger market. Will they be an iPad killer? no, probably not. Will it be a legitimate competitor? Absolutely.
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We're almost 2 years in and the iPad still has no real competition. I don't see that changing in 2012.

Well said, Poke! My ipad2 is a fantastic piece of gear!
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I do, later this year. Android tablets will come and go and cannibalize each other. Tim alluded to it, the sleeping giant in the room is Microsoft. While I'm beyond positive the reception here is one of point and laugh, but Windows 8 tablets will get attention in the larger market. Will they be an iPad killer? no, probably not. Will it be a legitimate competitor? Absolutely.

It's not in their (MS') DNA....they dont get the "eco-system!" 10 years after iLife and MS doesnt have a comparable SW suite?

second place in tech is almost a death sentence! Unless, of course, u have a steve jobs at the helm!
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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be because no one but Google knows what "activations" means to them.

No, it has to be Apple fudging the numbers.

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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.

Or it's a matter of Google not telling you what an activation is.

One phone sale could lead to multiple activations in a number of ways:
- Jail breaking
- Phone freezes and must be restored and reactivated
- Customer changes carriers

The number of phones sold is undoubtedly much lower than the claimed number of activations. No one but Google knows how much less - and they're not telling.

Sales figures as reported by various market research firms are undoubtedly more meaningful - and they show iPhone to be approaching Android phone sales.
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Yeah, it couldn't possibly be because no one but Google knows what "activations" means to them.

No, it has to be Apple fudging the numbers.

I doubt you could find anyone at Google that could explains what it means and how they are measured.
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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.

a very large chunk of Android "activations" are now for off-brand very cheap smartphones and tablets in China and the developing world. those are big numbers but hollow - with little or no value to the Google ecosystem - since many/most of those buyers don't use Google search or other Google services, let alone ads, at all once activated, preferring local alternatives like Baidu instead.

talking about "Android" as if it is a cohesive OS ignores this inevitable market fragmentation - even without its further disassembly by "forking" like Amazon is doing. it's really more comparable to Java. of course, Android IS in fact a flavor of Java running on top of a modified Linux kernel. so why don't we all just say its true OS is Linux?
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I do, later this year. Android tablets will come and go and cannibalize each other. Tim alluded to it, the sleeping giant in the room is Microsoft. While I'm beyond positive the reception here is one of point and laugh, but Windows 8 tablets will get attention in the larger market. Will they be an iPad killer? no, probably not. Will it be a legitimate competitor? Absolutely.

Windows Metro tablets might indeed become competition - for Android tablets. since the same OEM's will be trying to manufacture and sell both at the same time. except Motorola and Nokia.

but this big hype of running Windows 8 apps on both desktops and tablets is just never going to work. a app UI designed for touch tablets will always be second rate on a desktop, and an application UI designed for desktop will always suck on a tablet. all this extra operability will accomplish is make the Windows tablets too complicated, and hence unpopular. >90% of consumers want their tablets to be as simple as possible.

Apple has this right - users want seamless sharing of their files, photos, etc. on any device, portable or desktop they own. but they want the simplest software that is designed to be optimal for the particular type of hardware they happen to be using with any such file at that moment.
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I doubt you could find anyone at Google that could explains what it means and how they are measured.

LOL. Knowing Google, they probably count anyone who signs up for a Google+ or YouTube account as an "activation."

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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.

If you define "the gap" as comparing iPhone (HW) sales to Android (OS) that is given away then of course Apple won't be competing with that. If you count ecosystem, profits, market saturation you get a different and much more realistic picture. Why exclude the iPod Touch from the ecosystem when very few apps are designed to only work on the iPhone only? Why exclude older iDevices when they are still being used? Surely you realize that Apple devices hold a high after-market value because yet are still desired for use. Why is profit important here? Because it shows what consumers and carriers are willing to do to have Apple products. You refer to all Android-based devices as smartphones yet among phones many are better defined as feature phones. They aren't dumb phones but they limited in HW and SW often coming with a lot of crapware put on their by carriers. These are the new feature phones!

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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.


for all you know they hit 700,000 on a good day and downhill from there
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Nice quarter, Apple. I can't wait to see what this quarter brings. My credit card is ready to buy an iPad 3.
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for all you know they hit 700,000 on a good day and downhill from there

I thought that might be the case so I ran the numbers in December and found them to be averages, not spikes.

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Or it's a matter of Google not telling you what an activation is.

One phone sale could lead to multiple activations in a number of ways:
- Jail breaking
- Phone freezes and must be restored and reactivated
- Customer changes carriers

The number of phones sold is undoubtedly much lower than the claimed number of activations. No one but Google knows how much less - and they're not telling.

Sales figures as reported by various market research firms are undoubtedly more meaningful - and they show iPhone to be approaching Android phone sales.

Wow you really must be in left field somewhere as this has been explained 1000x. One phone can only be activated once, it's done by IMEI number registration of phones running Google apps. Why is that so hard to understand? You can restore your phone 6500 times it's only registered once. Either you are in denial or fail very hard at reading comprehension.
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Wow you really must be in left field somewhere as this has been explained 1000x. One phone can only be activated once, it's done by IMEI number registration of phones running Google apps. Why is that so hard to understand? You can restore your phone 6500 times it's only registered once. Either you are in denial or fail very hard at reading comprehension.

Or you're making things up because Google has paid you to shill for them.

Can you provide a legitimate reference that specifically states that a phone can only be activated once?

I didn't think so.
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Windows Metro tablets might indeed become competition - for Android tablets. since the same OEM's will be trying to manufacture and sell both at the same time. except Motorola and Nokia.

but this big hype of running Windows 8 apps on both desktops and tablets is just never going to work. a app UI designed for touch tablets will always be second rate on a desktop, and an application UI designed for desktop will always suck on a tablet. all this extra operability will accomplish is make the Windows tablets too complicated, and hence unpopular. >90% of consumers want their tablets to be as simple as possible.

Apple has this right - users want seamless sharing of their files, photos, etc. on any device, portable or desktop they own. but they want the simplest software that is designed to be optimal for the particular type of hardware they happen to be using with any such file at that moment.

You're stating a lot of your own useless opinion as fact and in someways sound like the inverse of those who dismissed the iPad as a giant iPod touch. Since Windows 8 nor its tablets are finalized you're making statements based on an early dev preview and can't yet prove what the final experience will be. You're forcing a iPad based model/experience on an ecosystem that works very differently. Judging by what I saw at CES it's obvious Windows 8 is being thought of very differently from the iPad / basic touch tablet approach. Nothing is more seamless than having one device running all your familiar apps that adapts to how you're interfacing with it during the course of a day. If I had a dollar for the amount of times I've been asked, when will I be able to do x on a tablet? Or when I can run z type app on any tablet? I'd have bought another iPad by now.
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Or you're making things up because Google has paid you to shill for them.

Can you provide a legitimate reference that specifically states that a phone can only be activated once?

I didn't think so.

For the last time Andy Rubin himself explained that already.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11259974...ts/Kkjf8oESTZs

But nice try.
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Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. ....

Blah blah blah. You apologists always throw around these oblique numbers for Androids and their supposed share, but not a single manufacturer ever seems to provide data on actual numbers sold.

Until they do, it's all bogus speculation. No amount of bleating on your part will change that.
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For the last time Andy Rubin himself explained that already.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11259974...ts/Kkjf8oESTZs

But nice try.

Who's Andy Rubin? And why should someone believe something that he says in a Google+ page?
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Blah blah blah. You apologists always throw around these oblique numbers for Androids and their supposed share, but not a single manufacturer ever seems to provide data on actual numbers sold.

Until they do, it's all bogus speculation. No amount of bleating on your part will change that.

You don't need them to, just add the totals the carriers report since they actually sell the phones. Problem mostly solved.
Verizon said 15 million Android and 10 million iphones in 2011 today. We'll get AT&T on Thursday.
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You're stating a lot of your own useless opinion as fact and in someways sound like the inverse of those who dismissed the iPad as a giant iPod touch. Since Windows 8 nor its tablets are finalized you're making statements based on an early dev preview and can't yet prove what the final experience will be. You're forcing a iPad based model/experience on an ecosystem that works very differently. Judging by what I saw at CES it's obvious Windows 8 is being thought of very differently from the iPad / basic touch tablet approach. Nothing is more seamless than having one device running all your familiar apps that adapts to how you're interfacing with it during the course of a day. If I had a dollar for the amount of times I've been asked, when will I be able to do x on a tablet? Or when I can run z type app on any tablet? I'd have bought another iPad by now.

gee what a nice guy you are.

my points are simple: most consumers prefer simple over complicated, especially with portable devices. they are not "power users." and any desktop OS/application is more complicated than a mobile OS/app. mixing the two together on any portable device is one "kitchen sink" idea too many. and most users are actually focused on the thing they are working on - that is, the file of whatever kind - not the app/application and underlying OS that allows them to manipulate it. they want that to "just work."

MS' concept is still "Windows (seamlessly) everywhere" just like it was 15 years ago. Apple's concept is "your content (seamlessly) everywhere." we'll see how it turns out in a year or two.
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Who's Andy Rubin? And why should someone believe something that he says in a Google+ page?

Really? Or are you just trolling? Andy Rubin is the SVP of Mobile at Google and runs Android.

That's like asking who Scott Forstall is. Some people never cease to amaze me...
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You don't need them to, just add the totals the carriers report since they actually sell the phones. Problem mostly solved.
Verizon said 15 million Android and 10 million iphones in 2011 today. We'll get AT&T on Thursday.

Do you understand basic arithmetic? Re. the original post, [700,000/day]*[90 days] = 63 million.

Also, I asked you specifically if you know how many are sold. I'll tell you the answer: you have no clue.

Move along.... you run the risk of making Android apologists look even more silly (if that is possible).
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Really? Or are you just trolling? Andy Rubin is the SVP of Mobile at Google and runs Android.

That's like asking who Scott Forstall is. Some people never cease to amaze me...

Don't be foolish.

And don't answer the one question (of two) that is convenient for you to answer.

Just proving the point that people like you never answer the real question (see above).
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You don't need them to, just add the totals the carriers report since they actually sell the phones. Problem mostly solved.
Verizon said 15 million Android and 10 million iphones in 2011 today. We'll get AT&T on Thursday.

Excellent.

There are 200 other carriers around the globe who sell Android phones.

I need those numbers by the end of the week
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For the last time Andy Rubin himself explained that already.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11259974...ts/Kkjf8oESTZs

But nice try.

I don't have any definitive knowledge of the activation numbers, but I do know that there is a lot of clear evidence that Andy Rubin is neither trustworthy, honest or believable for the most part.

I think it's pretty clear that Android handsets have higher sales, but also that these "sales" include channel stuffing, as well as a high turnover of devices and multiple devices for one individual. So to some degree those sales figures are inflated.

It's also clear that more people use iPhones to browse the web than they do Android phones by a very, very large margin. That data is crystal clear and has been the same now for the last couple of years.

Those two pieces of information fit together quite well. Especially when you also figure in the fact that iOS and iPhone is also the most popular consumer choice and has been since the very start.

Google's activations data on the other hand doesn't fit unless you assume that the sales figures are *not* inflated, and that the usage data is completely wrong. In other words you have to throw out all the other data to make it work. The trouble is that the usage data and the sales figures come from many third party sources and the activation data only comes from Google (directly from Andy the untrustworthy in fact).

Therefore, Occam's razor says that Google is fudging those numbers somehow.
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Move along.... you run the risk of making Android apologists look even more silly (if that is possible).


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Do you understand basic arithmetic? Re. the original post, [700,000/day]*[90 days] = 63 million.

Also, I asked you specifically if you know how many are sold. I'll tell you the answer: you have no clue.

Move along.... you run the risk of making Android apologists look even more silly (if that is possible).

You make the assumption that there were 700k activations every single day of the quarter. This was not the case. Andy Rubin simply said that Google reached 700k activations a day, but this was in the middle of the quarter and it wasn't specified if that was now an every day thing or just a single day.

The more realistic number is probably closer to 50 million activations.
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After HaDarder? Impossible.

LOL. He can troll longer and harder than the rest of us on a single battery charge! He's still running on his 2011 charge.

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Not so fast, people. I have verified Rubin's qualified numbers, at least from how the averaging was being recorded. I obviously can't state what is exactly included or if any of the numbers are legitimate, but some thing you just have to take at face value.

From a post over a month ago:

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Rubin stated 500k activations on June 28th, 2011. That's week 26, this is week 51 for a difference of 25 weeks.

So we have A = P (1 + r) ^n, right?

500,000 ( 1 + 4.4/100) ^ 26 = 1,531,733 activations per day if they were maintaining a 4.4% growth rate per week.

Here is Rubin's Twitter comment on it: https://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/85660213478309888

Since then they have only reported on activations per day but have not stated their week over week increase. I was able to figure out that they dropped to just 1.35 week over week when taking the new and old numbers, and time frame into account. That's a huge drop off.

(Too tired to hunt down the other post showing the drop in adoption week over week.)

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You're stating a lot of your own useless opinion as fact and in someways sound like the inverse of those who dismissed the iPad as a giant iPod touch. Since Windows 8 nor its tablets are finalized you're making statements based on an early dev preview and can't yet prove what the final experience will be. You're forcing a iPad based model/experience on an ecosystem that works very differently. Judging by what I saw at CES it's obvious Windows 8 is being thought of very differently from the iPad / basic touch tablet approach. Nothing is more seamless than having one device running all your familiar apps that adapts to how you're interfacing with it during the course of a day. If I had a dollar for the amount of times I've been asked, when will I be able to do x on a tablet? Or when I can run z type app on any tablet? I'd have bought another iPad by now.

Speaking of useless opinion being proffered as fact.....

How is the iPad "basic"? It runs a host of applications with a vast array of functionality, more so all the time. It has a huge range of peripherals, and is increasingly being incorporated as the touch UI/brains to standalone products across dozens of industries.

I guess you mean that an "advanced" tabled should be able to run "all your familiar apps" (AKA Windows apps) but in fact we've had that for a long time-- they're called Windows tablets and they've failed in the marketplace.

Now if you imagine that ARM based tablets with iPad like battery life are going to run Windows 8 desktop apps, that seems increasingly unlikely. ARM based Metro tablets will run what amounts to an iOS for Windows-- same code base as Windows but a different flavor, with how many hooks to desktop versions remaining to be seen. Intel based tablets will likely offer Windows 8 desktop/tablet enabled apps, which is the exact style of interface that people rejected for older Windows tablets. And then there's desktop machines with the Metro UI replacing the start menu.

So what you actually get is Metro on iPad class tablets, Windows on the desktop with a smear of Metro style to help you pretend one OS is running everywhere, and possibly some poorly selling Intel tablets that aren't much different from the clunky MS tablets of yesterday.

You're right, that's much more advanced that the the dreadfully basic iPad.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

but I do know that there is a lot of clear evidence that Andy Rubin is neither trustworthy, honest or believable for the most part.

I think you meant Google in general. From the last year article @ AllthingD

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"Meanwhile, Page also said on Thursday that Google+ facilitates one billion items shared and received per day. We clarified with Google the way it calculated this number.

Essentially, each counted “share” is the number of people who potentially see any one item.

If a user shares a picture with a Google Circle of 40 people, that counts as 40 shareseven if all 40 people don’t actually look at the photo. If a user shares something publicly, it’s not counted.

Google said this is consistent with the way it counts sharing in Gmail and other products. However, it’s a bit of a tricky metric; at first glance it would be easy to think that Google means one billion items are posted to Google+ on a daily basis already — which it doesn’t."

By the Numbers: Google+ the Biggest Social Network Launch Ever?

Who believes anything Google said religiously is a fool.

Now they tied in Google+ with Gmail so Larry could be super-excited every year.
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Wondering if the new Google data use policy will have any effect. Granted, hardly anyone associates buying any hardware, even an Android phone, with Google's tentacles, so...

But this thing about not being able to register a phone with just a lame duck gmail account is notable. It creates a Google profile and Google + account, which then puts what you post as part of their search results, with no opting out? And worse, Google sending alerts when your location service (not opt-outable) doesn't jive with getting to an appointment on your calendar on time? Obviously it's just a data mining profit move, like many others do, but if it turns into a big damage control effort first that can only bring more bad publicity into the orbits of people who wouldn't have known or cared about such things if they could have been more delicate in implementing it. Right now it's on the headlines of several news bots, though not Google News for some reason

Oh well. I just read through the new Verizon email upgrade, and they brag about how microscopically they'll be going through all off my outgoing email (as well as the incoming the we assumed they did) in order to improve our user experience

Like I say, it's obviously no surprise any of this. But it doesn't read very well IMO : )
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Who's Andy Rubin? And why should someone believe something that he says in a Google+ page?

I laughed so hard at this I cried a little!
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Let's do some math. Google does 700,000 activations a day now of new devices. That's 63,000,000 a quarter. Being that the iPad "has no real competition" and iPod touches have no real competition, that leaves most of those 700,000 activations a day as smart phones. Apple sold 62 million iOS devices last quarter with 37million of them being iPhones. How is the iPhone closing the gap? I think I'm missing some math here because it would seem a blow out on the smart phones in Android's favor. Or its just a real good spin by Apple.

your math could be correct, we cant say for sure, Its not too reliant tho, these are statistics that cant be verified & we don't have enough information to say what an activation actually is, the comparison to both would be using the same criteria, so one thing would be total units sold by both & more important then that, is profit of both compared, because we are talking about companies that are tying to make money here.
Stats can be twisted & used in many many ways & depending on how its interpreted it can tell a different story depending on whoevers argument it suits.
As far as my understanding of the Android VS iOS is, There are more android units being sold, but there is far more profit in iOS.
Which to how the world works is more important, only thing the number of units has over profit is bragging rights.

there be my 2cents
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