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The conference call mentioned again great products to come this year. While we certainly hear that every year, it thought it might be interesting to speculate on other products. So here is a list:
  1. A sub 7" iPad/iPod.
  2. A 12" iPad.
  3. Other iOS devices, including a replacement for the iPod Touch.
  4. A midrange desktop, dare I say XMac.
  5. A new Apple TV with the ability to run apps.
  6. New routers.
  7. The very much desired 15" AIR
  8. A new compact server, media PC.

Just a quick list to get the discussion started.

I think the obvious move for Apple is to find a rational way to expand the iOS devices line up. That means in this context new tablets with a likely emphasis on an iPad with an approximate 12" screen. IPad is really rocking the tablet market and I see Apple leveraging their lead to cover people with different needs.

Along the same lines I'm expecting the iPhone 4S form factor to stay around for a bit. The line up will be supplemented with a 4G capable device in a different form factor.

The other obvious thing here is that the desktop line up needs help. To that end I expect them to drop both the current Mini and the Pro to introduce a more common platform to cover a wider array of needs. It is good that the laptops are pulling the majority of sales but they needs a viable platform to capture and keep the desktop market. Thus the XMAC.

I also have to wonder about what Apple will do outside its current markets. Very little was said about an Apple TV. I'm actually thinking that Apple might go after a different segment for example robotics. Robotics is a very long term play but there is huge upside potential.
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1. iPad 3.
2. Apple TV Take 3 with an A6 chip and the ability to read from a hard drive on the network without a computer on or iTunes open.
3. iPhone NOT FRIGGING FIVE.
4. Discontinuation of the iPod classic.
5. New iPod touch.
6. New colors for the shuffle.
7. A new nano with Bluetooth that acts as a notification center for your iPhone (that's a huge long shot).
8. Ivy Bridge boosts to the entire Mac line save the Mac Pro.

And that's about it.

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1. iPad 3.

That is a given. What I'm thinking we will see is totally new hardware to go along with iPad3 in the current form factor. Let's face it iOS is a run away Frieght train that could benefit from more products hitched to that train.
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2. Apple TV Take 3 with an A6 chip and the ability to read from a hard drive on the network without a computer on or iTunes open.

I'm not a big TV user so what Apple is doing here is a deeper mystery for me. That being said I really wish that Apple would turn AppleTV into a more computer like platform. That is support apps on the platform.
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3. iPhone NOT FRIGGING FIVE.

I really dont get this iPhone 5 is a perfectly good name for the next iPhone. As is iPhone 4G and a host of other names. I still see Apple supporting two phone platforms in the future.
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4. Discontinuation of the iPod classic.
5. New iPod touch.

I see these two coming together in a high capacity Touch replacement. It would be most excellent to see a 128GB Touch.
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6. New colors for the shuffle.
7. A new nano with Bluetooth that acts as a notification center for your iPhone (that's a huge long shot).
8. Ivy Bridge boosts to the entire Mac line save the Mac Pro.

This is also a given! I'm really expecting that 15" AIR though. I can also see the 13" MBP getting revamped for markedly better performance.

Obviously the laptop line is doing really well. I suspect that they have the market well covered but I'd also like to see Built in cellular networking in the MBPs.
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And that's about it.

I'm surprised that you are expect very little that is totally brand new. I just see new products as likely considering the momentum they have.
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That is a given. What I'm thinking we will see is totally new hardware to go along with iPad3 in the current form factor. Let's face it iOS is a run away Frieght train that could benefit from more products hitched to that train.

A6 and retina are all but given.

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I really dont get this iPhone 5 is a perfectly good name for the next iPhone.

Other than the fact that it's not the 5th iPhone, won't have an A5 chip, won't run iOS 5, and won't have "5G" telephony.

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I see these two coming together in a high capacity Touch replacement. It would be most excellent to see a 128GB Touch.

Things we know for certain: if the iPad 3 gets a 128GB version, the iPod touch will get a 128GB version and the iPod classic will be discontinued.

If the iPad 3 doesn't, it will be up in the air until October.

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This is also a given! I'm really expecting that 15" AIR though. I can also see the 13" MBP getting revamped for markedly better performance.

If your definition of '15" Air' is '15" MacBook Pro redesigned to have, at least, no ODD (even if it doesn't get the special SSD) and the removal of the 13" MacBook Pro from the lineup', then I agree 100%.

That's sort of sort of a specific definition, but I'd agree with that.

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I'm surprised that you are expect very little that is totally brand new.

You're surprised that The Great Apple Pessimist Himself doesn't expect new products?

I'd love for there to be a brand new product. Absolutely love it. But am I foolish enough to get my hopes up for one? Or to plant a concrete idea in my head of what I expect? Nope.

If I was to speculate on anything, I want to see Apple HINT the future of multitouch at WWDC this year.

It's too early to mention OS XI, much less hardware to go with it, but eventually I want to see some sort of computer that incorporates a beautiful, full-featured OS, system-wide multitouch, and those display stand patents into an elegant machine that gives the file system guys everything they dream of, the iOS proponents everything that makes iOS great, and the neck strain complainers a reprieve because the thing can be both horizontal (for proper OS work) and vertical (for media consumption).

The only thing that I will allow myself to be told about this vision is that whatever does come of it, Apple will be the only one to do it right. Period. And then [insert your favorite blatant Apple copyist here] will come along and try to do it, too.

I don't foresee a launch date. I don't foresee specs or even a hardware architecture. I don't foresee specific software features. But that's what's coming. Something that is the best of all three worlds (the current keyboard and mouse desktop paradigm, iOS, and the two directional means by which we interact with computers).

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

A6 and retina are all but given.



Other than the fact that it's not the 5th iPhone, won't have an A5 chip, won't run iOS 5, and won't have "5G" telephony.

Yeah I see that all the time but it has absolutely nothing to do with naming the next iPhone, iPhone 5.
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Things we know for certain: if the iPad 3 gets a 128GB version, the iPod touch will get a 128GB version and the iPod classic will be discontinued.

I'd have to say a very strong possibility.
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If the iPad 3 doesn't, it will be up in the air until October.

I want iPad 3 to get more Flash storage but also realize that they may have to expand RAM considerably to drive a retina display. So at a minimum I'm expecting more RAM which may impact cost.
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If your definition of '15" Air' is '15" MacBook Pro redesigned to have, at least, no ODD (even if it doesn't get the special SSD) and the removal of the 13" MacBook Pro from the lineup', then I agree 100%.

Nope my definition is that the 15" AIR is exactly that an AIR. The MBP are far more powerful than the current AIRs, something I expect to remain true for a very very long time. MBP simply have more volume to work with, which means there is more freedom to tune various parameters and to deliver bleeding edge pro features. As to the 13" MBP even now the AIRs don't come close to the performance of the 13" MBP, remove the optical from that machine and you can make it even more powerful. There is really no overlap in targetted audiences.
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That's sort of sort of a specific definition, but I'd agree with that.



You're surprised that The Great Apple Pessimist Himself doesn't expect new products?

I'd love for there to be a brand new product. Absolutely love it. But am I foolish enough to get my hopes up for one? Or to plant a concrete idea in my head of what I expect? Nope.

If I was to speculate on anything, I want to see Apple HINT the future of multitouch at WWDC this year.

It's too early to mention OS XI, much less hardware to go with it, but eventually I want to see some sort of computer that incorporates a beautiful, full-featured OS, system-wide multitouch, and those display stand patents into an elegant machine that gives the file system guys everything they dream of, the iOS proponents everything that makes iOS great, and the neck strain complainers a reprieve because the thing can be both horizontal (for proper OS work) and vertical (for media consumption).

The only thing that I will allow myself to be told about this vision is that whatever does come of it, Apple will be the only one to do it right. Period. And then [insert your favorite blatant Apple copyist here] will come along and try to do it, too.

I don't foresee a launch date. I don't foresee specs or even a hardware architecture. I don't foresee specific software features. But that's what's coming. Something that is the best of all three worlds (the current keyboard and mouse desktop paradigm, iOS, and the two directional means by which we interact with computers).

Maybe I'm a bit wishful but I just think this is a good year for Apple to break out a bit and attack new markets. It is also a good year to strengthen existing product lines.
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Yeah I see that all the time but it has absolutely nothing to do with naming the next iPhone, iPhone 5.

You're insane.

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Maybe I'm a bit wishful but I just think this is a good year for Apple to break out a bit and attack new markets. It is also a good year to strengthen existing product lines.

We'll just have to see.

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The conference call mentioned again great products to come this year. While we certainly hear that every year, it thought it might be interesting to speculate on other products. So here is a list:

A midrange desktop, dare I say XMac.

The other obvious thing here is that the desktop line up needs help. To that end I expect them to drop both the current Mini and the Pro to introduce a more common platform to cover a wider array of needs. It is good that the laptops are pulling the majority of sales but they needs a viable platform to capture and keep the desktop market. Thus the XMAC.

If this doesn't show up I really don't care what Apple does with its other products. Without a desktop Mac that meets my needs all of Apple's other products are just fluff as far as I'm concerned.
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iPad 3

Apple TV 3 - A6, apps, new UI

Apple HDTV (42, 46, 55 inch models) with replaceable "brain" module that uses TB

Wifi -New 802.11ac Airports

Tower of Power - New Mac Pro

iHub -New consumer storage device (server basically but they'll avoid calling it a server)

Redesigns-Major case refreshes on MBP and next iPhone.

iOS 6 - Apple TbT GPS using new mapping technology. Siri API, universal authentication API

OS X 10.8 preview - Siri embedded, new filesystem , heavy iCloud integration, Applescript replacement.
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Apple TV 3 - A6, apps, new UI

Yay! Someone else who doesn't think they'll do an HDTV! And good, someone else unsatisfied with LowTide. It's high time for HighTide.

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Apple HDTV (42, 46, 55 inch models) with replaceable "brain" module that uses TB

Wait, what's the point of both? And there's absolutely no way Apple would do an upgradable version.

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Wifi -New 802.11ac Airports

iHub -New consumer storage device (server basically but they'll avoid calling it a server)

Wouldn't these just be the same thing?

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iOS 6 - Apple TbT GPS using new mapping technology. Siri API, universal authentication API

You don't think they'll keep iOS 5 until 2013? That seems to be the prevailing opinion.

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Tallest

Common Sense is with just making a nice Apple TV peripheral but I almost think Apple has to deliver a full fledged TV now because the rumor mill has ordained it.

The next Airport/Time Capsule would be an ideal device to add in more functionality. So yes i'm in agreement that you might as well add more features to the devices that's the LAN/WAN gateway.

I think we see iOS 6 pretty soon. Mapping hasn't changed much at all and still relies on Google. I've found that many of the built in apps like Address Book still assume that you're doing much of your management on a computer and thus they have poor management controls (finding dupes, merging contacts etc) . This is becoming a problem for people that strictly want an iPad/iPhone without a computer in the chain.

iOS needs a robust text engine. We have the most basic of formatting options but there needs to be a centralized option for developers to tap into.

I'd also like to see a sandbox friendly way to share data between applications and iOS should be the precursor to a 10.8 version as well. It's clear that Applescript isn't going to make the sandboxing divide without pain and simply abolishing inter-application communication isn't going to fly either.
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Common Sense is with just making a nice Apple TV peripheral but I almost think Apple has to deliver a full fledged TV now because the rumor mill has ordained it.

So where's the iPhone with a physical keyboard and a stylus? Where's the xMac? The tablet with full OS X? We don't really mean anything to them.

And it's as Steve said: People don't know what they want until you show it to them.

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The next Airport/Time Capsule would be an ideal device to add in more functionality. So yes i'm in agreement that you might as well add more features to the devices that's the LAN/WAN gateway.

Look, all I want is for attached hard drives to be recognized by any Apple TVs on the same network without a computer on and iTunes open. Anything else they do is just icing on that cake.

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iPad 3

Apple TV 3 - A6, apps, new UI

Apple HDTV (42, 46, 55 inch models) with replaceable "brain" module that uses TB

Wifi -New 802.11ac Airports

Tower of Power - New Mac Pro

iHub -New consumer storage device (server basically but they'll avoid calling it a server)

Redesigns-Major case refreshes on MBP and next iPhone.

iOS 6 - Apple TbT GPS using new mapping technology. Siri API, universal authentication API

OS X 10.8 preview - Siri embedded, new filesystem , heavy iCloud integration, Applescript replacement.

I think you nailed it.
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iPad 3

Apple TV 3 - A6, apps, new UI

I've been tempted to get an Apple TV just to jailbreak it to run apps. For the price it is really a powerful platform to run apps. A6 would just enhance that to no end.
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Apple HDTV (42, 46, 55 inch models) with replaceable "brain" module that uses TB

I'm not sure even Apple could get me to buy a TV. They would have to do something about the cable companies and data rates.
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Wifi -New 802.11ac Airports

Tower of Power - New Mac Pro

I suspect the big tower is on the way out.
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iHub -New consumer storage device (server basically but they'll avoid calling it a server)

Yes! The Mini server is such a bad joke it just makes me sick. A well designed XMAc could easily deliver that sort of fipunctionality in a specific configuration.
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Redesigns-Major case refreshes on MBP and next iPhone.

Yep!
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iOS 6 - Apple TbT GPS using new mapping technology. Siri API, universal authentication API

OS X 10.8 preview - Siri embedded, new filesystem , heavy iCloud integration, Applescript replacement.

I'd rather see Siri expanded outside of OS/X on iOS devices. I wouldn't object to it on the Mac just that I don't see it as a big draw.
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Apple TV 3 A6, apps, bluetooth keyboard, Safari, 1080P output
Not sure about the Apple TV set
802.11ac Airport & Time Capsules or maybe just Time Machine? Update Express to 802.11ac.
New Mac Pro tower form factor Will it include optical drive? Will is use flash storage like the Air?
New MacBook Pro design with 16:9 display ratio & possible Retina option
Revamped iMac Like Mac Pro will it jettison optical drive? Will it use flash storage like the Air?
Discussing Mac OS X 10.8
Do you think Apple will try to merge Mac OS X & iOS?
iPhone 5
iPad 3 including Siri
Mac mini moves to Ivy Bridge summertime.
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New Mac Pro tower form factor Will it include optical drive?

Hope not.

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Will is use flash storage like the Air?

Absolutely not.

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New MacBook Pro design with 16:9 display ratio & possible Retina option

Yuck, 16:9

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Revamped iMac

In what way?

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will it jettison optical drive?

Hope so.

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Will it use flash storage like the Air?

Absolutely not.

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Discussing Mac OS X 10.8
Do you think Apple will try to merge Mac OS X & iOS?

About five years too soon for that.

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iPhone 5
iPad 3 including Siri

A6-based iPhone 6/LTE, iPad 3, and iPod touch, hopefully.

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Apple TV 3 A6, apps, bluetooth keyboard, Safari, 1080P output
Not sure about the Apple TV set
802.11ac Airport & Time Capsules or maybe just Time Machine? Update Express to 802.11ac.
New Mac Pro tower form factor Will it include optical drive? Will is use flash storage like the Air?
New MacBook Pro design with 16:9 display ratio & possible Retina option
Revamped iMac Like Mac Pro will it jettison optical drive? Will it use flash storage like the Air?
Discussing Mac OS X 10.8
Do you think Apple will try to merge Mac OS X & iOS?
iPhone 5
iPad 3 including Siri
Mac mini moves to Ivy Bridge summertime.

I'm not expecting much in the way of mac pro form factor changes.
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I've been so busy I've forgotten about my own thread.

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Apple TV 3 A6, apps, bluetooth keyboard, Safari, 1080P output
Not sure about the Apple TV set

I suspect the above two items are linked, we will get one or the other but not both. I'm not a TV user to any extent so it could be years before I buy an Apple TV set. Now Apple TV 3 is another thing altogether as I see it as a hackable platform.
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802.11ac Airport & Time Capsules or maybe just Time Machine? Update Express to 802.11ac.
New Mac Pro tower form factor Will it include optical drive? Will is use flash storage like the Air?

I suspect Apple has no choice here, the current Pro needs to die. They need to come out with something with the right economics.
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New MacBook Pro design with 16:9 display ratio & possible Retina option

I'm expecting an all new design myself. I'm fuzzy on the exact configuration but it needs to be a high performance machine relative to a 15" Mac Book AIR.
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Revamped iMac Like Mac Pro will it jettison optical drive? Will it use flash storage like the Air?

Revamped is about right, the platform will see Minor changes. The best thing that could happen to the iMac is for it to loose the CD in favor of rational secondary storage. By that I mean provision for storage modules, either magnetic or solid state that allows for user configuration to their needs. So somebody like me could have a 256GB boot drive that is an SSD and a bulk storage magnetic drive for data.
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Discussing Mac OS X 10.8
Do you think Apple will try to merge Mac OS X & iOS?

Nope! I really don't see a chance in hell of this working or being accepted by users. Now that doesn't mean they won't borrow heavily from each other. It is just that the professional users will not accept a looked down desktop OS in the way iOS devices are. Mind you I really love my iOS devices but would have little use for a computer so restricted.

As long as Apple recognizes that users have entirely different needs with respect to accessibility they can make the two OSs look alike and evolve based on the good points of each platform. But they won't merge in the sense that many have of the word.
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iPhone 5
iPad 3 including Siri

Those are expected, but I'm not calling them new. Actually what I was after in this thread is what do people think will come that is entirely new. Especially with iOS where Apple is on a roll?

Some ideas I have:
  1. A sub seven inch iPad. Like it or not many would prefer this simply due to portability. The Lab Coat iPad!
  2. An iPod/iPad replacement for the iPod Classic. Pretty much as described a slightly larger Touch like device with enough SSD to effectively replace the Touch. This should be a high capacity device with a base of 128 GB and a max of 256 GB. Ideally it would have functionality as a USB storage device too.
  3. A 13" iPad.
  4. A clam shell iPad with a configurable keyboard. Something that would be sort of like a net book but not. For some users, especially writers this could be a very nice platform.
  5. An Apple TV with a USB port. Why? To support a USB connected camera and thus supporting FaceTime. This would make for one excellent IP telephone that can just happen to do all of the Apple TV things.
  6. I'd love to see an iPad come from Apple, of any size, that is ruggedized for commercial use. That is a hardened case with swappable battery. The idea being a device that can be used 24/7 in the less hospitable business environments. This guy should also have a few other features. For one a more rugged port for recharging (MagSafe?), along with a USB port. An expansion port wouldn't be a bad deal either (Think laser scanners, special purpose cameras, custom interfaces and the like).
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Mac mini moves to Ivy Bridge summertime.

How about something all new in the Mac lineup? Frankly sales are strong even though nothing really new has been added to the line in years. However those strong sales seem to be centered around a few machines, I really think Apple could do well by building a more appealing desktop machine. While the term XMac is often dismissed as impossible, I think the real impossibility is getting people to buy hardware they don't want, which is the Pro and Mini or two thirds of the desktop line. I really think Apple has no choice but to take a hard look at why the sales suck so. In the end Apple should be able to build an XMac machine with enough performance spread to cover both the Mini and most of the Mac Pro markets.
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Nope! I really don't see a chance in hell of this working or being accepted by users. Now that doesn't mean they won't borrow heavily from each other. It is just that the professional users will not accept a looked down desktop OS in the way iOS devices are. Mind you I really love my iOS devices but would have little use for a computer so restricted.

As long as Apple recognizes that users have entirely different needs with respect to accessibility they can make the two OSs look alike and evolve based on the good points of each platform. But they won't merge in the sense that many have of the word.

I don't expect them to merge the two. I just don't expect a lot of further development on the desktop end. IOS is clearly their priority. OSX is a mature platform, but there are certain things that I wish they would address.
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I don't expect them to merge the two. I just don't expect a lot of further development on the desktop end. IOS is clearly their priority. OSX is a mature platform, but there are certain things that I wish they would address.

While Mac OS is pretty mature right now, there is still much that can be done. For example resolution independence. Another example would be enhanced heterogenous computing capabilities. Siri like voice integration is another possibility.

Apple is seeing strong sales in Mac hardware far out pacing the industry. While they are obviously focused on iOS, I don't see them totally ignoring Mac OS. Frankly I'm beginning to think the issue on the Mac side of things is simply a lack of vision when it comes to desktops.
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While Mac OS is pretty mature right now, there is still much that can be done. For example resolution independence. Another example would be enhanced heterogenous computing capabilities. Siri like voice integration is another possibility.

Okay, I just realized how important this could be.

Drop a Siri key on the keyboard in the Fxx row. Tap it: "Google [something] for me." It does it.

"Open Pages. Dictate [stuff]." Does it.

"Find the folder of [concept] pictures and move it to [another place on the hard drive]." Does it.

Screw a tabbed Finder, Cut capability, or even drag and drop when you can just TELL IT what you want and where you want it.

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Such technology could easily put a couple of cores to work on a local machine. I could even see Siri eventually making the first hop to your Local PC first and then to Apples servers even for requests from your iPhone. After all many people are still centered around their PC work wise.

Below is literally the tip of the ice berg. I'd be the first to admit though that it may take years to get people to adapt to talking to their computers. As to iPhones and the like I suspect that we will see Apple move even more of Siri to processing on the phone itself.

Interestingly this is only one way that Apple might evolve Mac OS, hitting 64 bit made for a bright future and unlimited possibilities. It is the age old story of software being two or three steps behind hardware.

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Okay, I just realized how important this could be.

Drop a Siri key on the keyboard in the Fxx row. Tap it: "Google [something] for me." It does it.

"Open Pages. Dictate [stuff]." Does it.

"Find the folder of [concept] pictures and move it to [another place on the hard drive]." Does it.

Screw a tabbed Finder, Cut capability, or even drag and drop when you can just TELL IT what you want and where you want it.
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How about something all new in the Mac lineup? Frankly sales are strong even though nothing really new has been added to the line in years. However those strong sales seem to be centered around a few machines, I really think Apple could do well by building a more appealing desktop machine. While the term XMac is often dismissed as impossible, I think the real impossibility is getting people to buy hardware they don't want, which is the Pro and Mini or two thirds of the desktop line. I really think Apple has no choice but to take a hard look at why the sales suck so. In the end Apple should be able to build an XMac machine with enough performance spread to cover both the Mini and most of the Mac Pro markets.

That would be the perfect Mac for me. Apple used the slogan, "Which Mac are you?" I wrote them and told them I was the mini tower they aren't building.
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It's all about the iPad 3 and iPhone 5.

They'll smash the competition.

Apple's taking off...

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I think it's fair to say that outside of the Mac mini, every piece of Apple hardware will receive a moderate or dramatic hardware re-design in 2012.
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I think it's fair to say that outside of the Mac mini, every piece of Apple hardware will receive a moderate or dramatic hardware re-design in 2012.

In what way would the iMac be redesigned?

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It's all about the iPad 3 and iPhone 5.

They'll smash the competition.

Apple's taking off...

Lemon Bon Bon.

Apple has been flying for awhile and frankly the performance of the Mac lineup has been exceptional. It isn't just about iOS devices.
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In what way would the iMac be redesigned?

Integration of hardware to support Siri

A high resolution screen, retina if you will.

A new approach to the storage subsystem. That is support for PCI-Express SSD's for high speed storage plus traditional storage.

Better than doubling of GPU performance.

Better Thunderbolt support.

A dock for iPad.

Better speakers. A pet peeve of mind on most Apple devices.

A USB port and an SD port accessible from the front of the iMac.

A totally redesigned and serviceable chassis.


These are just off the top of my head. The iMac isn't perfect, there is much Apple could do to improve And modernize it. Speaking of modernization there are technologies coming that we may not see this year that could work their way into future iMacs. The ideas above are possible if not probable.
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list of awesome hardware updates, some of which make perfect sense, some of which would be nice but will never be done, and some of which make absolutely no sense at all

Yes, but he said redesign. That's just hardware updates. Do you realize how much unnecessarily larger the thing would have to be to have an iPad/iDevice dock?

Really the only thing we would ever get out of a "redesigned chassis" is a single tray (like the Mac Pro) for hard drive swapping. Maybe two trays on the 27", but I doubt even the one.

I think the only iMac chassis redesign will come when Apple's desktop OS moves completely to multitouch.

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Nah. While the iMac is still awesome, the design has been out for awhile. I expect Apple to alter it in someway. Its design is older than the MacBook Pro. I expect it to be a little bit thinner & ever sleeker. I suppose whatever design they apply to it will be similarly reflected in the upcoming redesign of the MacBook Pro.
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And I think the MacBook Pro's redesign will bring about 16:9 displays across the line. Apple seems to be standardizing on this screen size.
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Nah. While the iMac is still awesome, the design has been out for awhile. I expect Apple to alter it in someway.

It has been around 4 years. The aluminum PowerBook G4/MacBook Pro case was around for 6. I wouldn't say it's a given.

The only alteration I see is the removal of the ODD.

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A USB port and an SD port accessible from the front of the iMac.

A ... serviceable chassis.


Having just finished the Jobs biography, I think it's safe to say that those particular two things won't happen! (It would be a complete departure from Jobs' and Ive's design goals.)
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Having just finished the Jobs biography, I think it's safe to say that those particular two things won't happen! (It would be a complete departure from Jobs' and Ive's design goals.)

However I have to say Johnny must be a bit on the lazy side if he can't find a way to integrate something like an SD slot in the from of the iMac. I'm not a big proponent of form over function at all! In the end it can lead to very high user dissatisfaction if it gets out of control.

Even from the standpoint of serviceability there is much that could be done without dramatic changes to the exterior of the iMac. For one thing there needs to be just one layer of parts and very easy access to the parts likely to fail. I'm looking at the hard drive here alompng with the power supply.

Look at it this way, Apple successfully reworked it Mac Book Pros into highly serviceable machines after having some of the worst machines on the market. They can do better with the iMac if they really want too. It might not be the machine I want to see, but it could still be light years from what we have now.
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Just because Apple took 6 years to change the PowerBook G4/MacBook Pro enclosure, doesn't mean they'll wait that long for the iMac. I could point to the MacBook Air, which they released in January 2008, and revamped with an entirely new enclosure in late 2010.

Apple made great strides in serviceability with the MacBook Pro unibody enclosure. I don't know if that will happen with the next iteration of the iMac. It would only be a good thing if it was easier, simpler. Apple is selling more & more Macs these days. Either they have confidence in building them better with components that have a higher mean time between failure or they have to have highly trained staff spend more time to dissect them when they come into the AppleCare facility for repair.
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Integration of hardware to support Siri

A high resolution screen, retina if you will.

A new approach to the storage subsystem. That is support for PCI-Express SSD's for high speed storage plus traditional storage.

Better than doubling of GPU performance.

Better Thunderbolt support.

A dock for iPad.

Better speakers. A pet peeve of mind on most Apple devices.

A USB port and an SD port accessible from the front of the iMac.

A totally redesigned and serviceable chassis.


These are just off the top of my head. The iMac isn't perfect, there is much Apple could do to improve And modernize it. Speaking of modernization there are technologies coming that we may not see this year that could work their way into future iMacs. The ideas above are possible if not probable.

USB/SD card from the front? Functional? Yes for lazy people who can't reach a few inches to the right. Ugly too. Keep dreaming. Flies in the face of Apple's xen like consumer designs.

Gpus? X2? Like it to be so but iMac history isn't littered with dramatic Gpu bumps.

Retina? iPad 3. iMac? ...

I suppose on servicing the iMac is way behind the mac pro and the mini too... Having replaced the HD on my iMac it's not really difficult ie impossible... But in no way easy. Diddly ESP if you don't have torx 8 screw drivers. I knew someone who serviced pcs for a living. Took me and my cousin to sort the hd.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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However I have to say Johnny must be a bit on the lazy side if he can't find a way to integrate something like an SD slot in the from of the iMac...

No, if the book was even vaguely accurate about his design philosophies, then lazy would be putting a slot on the front of his machine. What it took to create a machine that also qualifies as artwork was the antithesis of "lazy". The slot it HAS is no harder to get to than one on the front would be.
(Not to mention that a front loading card-slot would require two hands to use ... one to insert, the other to keep the screen from tilting when you do so... one hand will do with the edge loading slot.)
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No, if the book was even vaguely accurate about his design philosophies, then lazy would be putting a slot on the front of his machine. What it took to create a machine that also qualifies as artwork was the antithesis of "lazy". The slot it HAS is no harder to get to than one on the front would be.
(Not to mention that a front loading card-slot would require two hands to use ... one to insert, the other to keep the screen from tilting when you do so... one hand will do with the edge loading slot.)

You nailed the Wizard to the cross with that one.

Serves him right for calling Ives 'lazy.'

Lemon Bon Bon.

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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USB/SD card from the front? Functional? Yes for lazy people who can't reach a few inches to the right. Ugly too. Keep dreaming. Flies in the face of Apple's xen like consumer designs.

Yet Apple puts ports on the front of the Mac Pro. And some consumers pony up for the Mac Pro just because it has features like ports on the front and an easy to open case.

Apple has decided that there is only one type of consumer. The type that wants form over function. But then it admits (sort of) that form over function doesn't really work and sells the Mac Pro. Mac Pro puts function over form yet stills manages to have a great looking form.

Apple could design and sell gobs of a consumer desktop that adds some practicality to the design.

Don't you think that Apple has worked to eliminate wasted motion on the assembly line? Made sure that all the steps are easy to see and perform? Yet the buyer is supposed to except Macs in a form that is harder to use?

That why so many of us complain about having to remove a screen to access a hard drive or having to break out the putty knife or suction cup to open a Mac.

Someone should hand Apple's management cars to drive that need s suction cup to remove the window so they can get inside and drive. Or have to use a putty knife to pry open the car door to get in.

I'd love to see that!
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Yet Apple puts ports on the front of the Mac Pro.

A design that predates every single other sold by Apple.

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And some consumers pony up for the Mac Pro just because it has features like ports on the
front and an easy to open case.

I have NEVER heard that. No intelligent 'consumer' wastes $2400 on a computer they can open (when they're not going to DO anything in it) or for 'ports on the front'.

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Apple has decided that there is only one type of consumer. The type that wants form over function.

Uh... huh...

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But then it admits (sort of) that form over function doesn't really work and sells the Mac Pro.

So does this say the Mac Pro doesn't have the best design of any openable computer on the market?

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Apple could design and sell gobs of a consumer desktop that adds some practicality to the design.

Blah, blah, blah, xMac, blah, blah, blah, the reason the PC exists, blah, blah, blah...

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Yet the buyer is supposed to except Macs in a form that is harder to use?

'Accept', and no, they're not "harder to use".

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That why so many of us complain about having to remove a screen to access a hard drive or
having to break out the putty knife or suction cup to open a Mac.

And that is the only real complaint people have about the iMac that I agree with. There should be a drive bay on it like the Mac Pro has for easy hard drive swappage.

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Someone should hand Apple's management cars to drive that need s suction cup to remove the window so they can get inside and drive.

Completely and utterly different concept. That's a HORRIBLE analogy. HORRIBLE analogy.

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Someone should hand Apple's management cars to drive that need s suction cup to remove the window so they can get inside and drive. Or have to use a putty knife to pry open the car door to get in.

Odd... I've been using my current iMacs for years now and have never needed a suction cup OR putty knife to use them.

Now... your car analogy... if you wanted to FIX a BROKEN car... you would need several different tools that most people don't possess.
Do you drive a car?... If so do you own a spring compressor?, torque wrench?, pickle forks?, a brand-proprietary fuel line disconnect tool?, compression gauge?, feeler gauges?, etc? ... or are you able to drive it without all those tools?
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