Originally Posted by jragosta
Please stop commenting on things you don't understand.
China DOES allow labor unions:http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...0/7188222.html
There's even a federation of trade unions: All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU).
More importantly, at least some Foxconn plants have unions:http://somo.nl/news-en/somo-media-co...tronics-firm-1
"The Hangzhou factory has a trade union"
"In the Longhua production facility, a trade union exists"
Now, it can be argued (as this article does) that the Foxconn unions are puppets, but your statement that unions are not allowed is absolutely false. And it's not just China where there are puppet unions - there are unions in the U.S. that are simply company pawns, as well (I quit a job once because of one).
Just for some insight, I've worked for a union place before, and "in the back pocket of the company" is the best description of it. Your union is either at an arms lenght, and operates like a mini-mafiaa against the employer(like UAW), or your union only exists to keep control over the unionized employees, and offers nothing for the employees (like some UFCW.) When the union only negotiates minimum wage for it's employees, and then recommends everyone vote for it, you're better off without one. You end up earning less than minimum wage after dues. To be fair, working conditions at a factory doesn't compare to retail unless operating machinery is involved. Working for that unionized place was hell, as it was back-stabbing contest for working hours. No full-time employees, but some part-timers were given full-time hours without full-time benefits for months at a time. I could list plenty of employee endangerment that went on, but the point was made already that unions on this side of the pond are no better.
It's all a great scam really. Unions have become redundant with the cheap cost of internet and social media. At one time, companies used to cut costs by endangering employees, now most of that is covered by government regulations. This is where China and the US differ. China does appear to blatantly ignore safety problems (how many times does "lead paint" come up? Melamine in food?) until they are discovered or result in death over here. This is a direct result of not having the freedom to criticize the state and the business interests of the state. If you criticize the "foreign devils" they may not bring additional business to you, or even take away existing contracts.
Apple right now might not bring manufacturing back to the US as long as there are other countries willing to agree to their demands, but that is also why foreign companies don't build factories here either. They can get better concessions pretty much everywhere that isn't the US. The only companies that are willing to build factories in the US are those that both have a favorable tax incentive in RTW states, and the produced items are mostly sold to the domestic market to avoid shipping and tariffs. This largely favors heavy machinery and automobiles.