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International smartphone vendors, including Samsung, HTC, Nokia and LG, are rumored to be waiting until the second quarter to release new handset models in order to avoid direct competition with Apple's hot-selling iPhone 4S.

Taiwanese smartphone supply chain makers have reportedly indicated to industry publication DigiTimes that Apple's rivals are holding off on device launches because, based on previous experience, iPhone 4S sales "will remain at peak in the first quarter of 2012" before declining in the second quarter. The report claimed that the second-quarter releases from a range of smartphone makers are specifically timed "to avoid competing too directly with the iPhone 4S."

Several of the aforementioned smartphone makers will unveil new models at the 2012 Mobile World Congress, which takes place from Feb. 27-March 1 in Barcelona, Spain, in "consideration of advantageous timing," the report went on to note. Despite their first-quarter unveiling, the devices will reportedly not go on sale until the second quarter.

It should be noted, however, that DigiTimes' sources have at times proved less than reliable and should be met with some skepticism.

After Apple reported last week unprecedented sales of 37 million iPhones in the December quarter, one market research proclaimed the company the world's largest smartphone maker for the period, naming Samsung a close second with estimated shipments of 36.5 million units.

The company's impressive performance last quarter was good enough to barely beat out Google's Android platform for the first time in several quarters, according to one analysis. All told, Apple has sold 350 million iOS devices, including tablets and the iPod touch.




Analysts responded to the iPhone maker's quarterly results last week by raising their forecasts for the first quarter of calendar 2012. A number of them predicted that the company's smartphone sales will remain strong during the period due to incremental geographic and carrier launches.

The first quarter has already seen so far the launch of the iPhone 4S in China and 21 other countries. Despite the fact that the device's release in China was marred by a near-riot outside of Apple's flagship store in Beijing and experienced some delays as a result, the device is currently sold out in the country.
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I guess we could all wait and see what happens, but we already know the answer to that one. Right Apple?
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Makes sense, it sucks for us consumers but I can see them waiting. I hope they come out swinging at both ends with quad core and 2 ghz dual core phones though. If we have to wait it better be for something decent and not more crap with poor building materials and horrible designs. I really think companys have way to many choices anyway, just release three maybe four phones a years covering the low end to the high end. Wait a little pay more in research and develpment, spend some time testing. It seems like for every 20 Android phones that come to maket one is decent enough to purchase. I mean out of the entire line up of Samsung phones only three are even considered to be worthy to be put up against the iPhone. You don't need 4 models of the same phone either with just tweaked features to distinguish them from each other. Motorola I'm talking to you.
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I hope they come out swinging at both ends with quad core and 2 ghz dual core phones though.

So do I. It will be all the more delicious when the iPhone 3GS, running a downclocked 633MHz, beats them all in sales.

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You don't need 4 models of the same phone either with just tweaked features to distinguish them from each other. Motorola I'm talking to you.

Took five years, but they're finally starting to see that, I think. Even just a little.

"But all of our users have different wants and needs! We should cater to all of them!"

Doesn't work in sales. You see maybe three or four toilet designs ever. Not that there couldn't be thirty.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

International smartphone vendors, including Samsung, HTC, Nokia and LG, are rumored to be waiting until the second quarter to release new handset models in order to avoid direct competition with Apple's hot-selling iPhone 4S.

Brilliant timing, copycats. Just in time to be blown out of existence by the iPhone 5...



Morons.
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Brilliant timing, copycats. Just in time to be blown out of existence by the iPhone 5...



Morons.

That's right. Blow them sky high out of the water Apple.
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What a bunch of p******. Apple doesn't wait for anybody to release their phone.
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i guess they will never release another phone? I guess there's that two week period when the iphone 5 will be announced and when it goes on sale. Then again, people will complain that it's not the iphone 5S.
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Brilliant timing, copycats. Just in time to be blown out of existence by the iPhone 5...



Morons.

While I agree with your post mostly, how in the world is Apple going to release a 6th-generation phone and call it the iPhone 5? I have never understood this.
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While I agree with your post mostly, how in the world is Apple going to release a 6th-generation phone and call it the iPhone 5? I have never understood this.

Um, not so hard. Apple released 7 versions of snow leopard and then made the 8th version lion. You got a 4. You got a 4S. Now you get a 5. Easy peasy.
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At least this points out the real reason instead of claiming they holding off announcements out of respect for Steve Jobs.

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While I agree with your post mostly, how in the world is Apple going to release a 6th-generation phone and call it the iPhone 5? I have never understood this.

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone ?

If you see a pattern there that clearly and unequivocally shows that the next in the sequence is
iPhone 6, that is great for you. But as long as people have been squawking about it, no one has convinced me that 6 is the only suffix possible for the next iPhone. Apple has absolutely shown that they will use numbers that don't correspond with the actual version number of the phone.

This is not to say that the next will not be 6. I don't know. I am agnostic on the issue. I just find it silly that people are ready to criticize others for something that is not a certain fact, but is, in fact, an educated guess.
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I can believe this. But it's not so much that manufacturers are worried, it's that carriers don't want to release phones at the same time as the latest iPhone model. It'd be ideal for them to get the next Galaxy or whatever after the iPhone hype has died down. And if carriers don't want to buy them, manufacturers aren't going to make them.
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Apple has absolutely shown that they will use numbers that don't correspond with the actual version number of the phone.

Apple has never used nomenclature that doesn't correspond to the version of the iPhone HW.

iPhone 3G was named so because it contained the 3G HW.
iPhone 3GS was named so because it was the iPhone 3G but speedier.
iPhone 4 was named so because it was the 4th release of the HW (also contained iOS 4 and the A4 chip).
iPhone 4S was named so because it was the iPhone 4 but speedier.

If Apple calls it the iPhone 5 it will be an unprecedented move. You might as well say they'll call it the iPhone 4T because T comes after S.

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It will be called iPhone 4G
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

International smartphone vendors, including Samsung, HTC, Nokia and LG, are rumored to be waiting until the second quarter to release new handset models in order to avoid direct competition with Apple's hot-selling iPhone 4S.

But didn't the 4S simply add Siri, which everyone else already had their own version of at least 12 months ago?
Since the 4S was just "an update" with no new/must have features, what's the hold up?
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Rumor: Handset vendors waiting for iPhone 4S demand to cool before releasing new models

What will really happen: Apple will release the iPad3 at the same time as all the new Android phones. The new iPad3 will interoperate with, sync with,or someway dance with the current iPhone so that there will be a second surge of iPhone sales drowning out any noise the Android makers will try to make.

Following quarter, new iPhone5....

Next quarter: Android found to infringe on Apple patent central to Android interoperability. All imports shut down by ITC.
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I can believe this. But it's not so much that manufacturers are worried, it's that carriers don't want to release phones at the same time as the latest iPhone model. It'd be ideal for them to get the next Galaxy or whatever after the iPhone hype has died down. And if carriers don't want to buy them, manufacturers aren't going to make them.

Maybe they are holding off because they don't want to have to recall them after Android is blocked. They may have to bring them out as Windows Phones or whatever operating systme the "copiests" are trying to "develop".
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone ?

iPhone ME. That's the next one!
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Surrender ! Any resistance is futile !!!!!
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Vendors waiting for iPhone 4S demand to cool before releasing new models... That should be right around the time the next iPhone is released!
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

iPhone ME. That's the next one!

I think Microsoft already killed that thought. ME was supposedly so bad that people in the stores wouldn't buy a computer because it had ME installed on it...

I'm just going on tales from family and friends. I wasn't old enough to buy a computer back then!
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When did digitimes become reliable all of the sudden?
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I can scarcely believe anyone would seriously give credence to this article.
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I think Microsoft already killed that thought. ME was supposedly so bad that people in the stores wouldn't buy a computer because it had ME installed on it...

You are not wrong there... Windows Me was a total abortion of an operating system.

I upgraded my Windows 98SE install to it and lasted 2 agonisingly painful days before reformatting my drive jumping ship back to 98...

It was so bad it makes vista look like a premium quality product...
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

International smartphone vendors, including Samsung, HTC, Nokia and LG, are rumored to be waiting until the second quarter to release new handset models in order to avoid direct competition with Apple's hot-selling iPhone 4S.
<removed the remaining nonsense>

What you call rumor I call sheer idiocy. Sony Xperia, Samsung Galaxy Note, LG Prada -- all new models coming out now. Some fact-checking before you reprint BS?

And then cue all the knee-jerk brainless responses, as if this was real news...

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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

Makes sense, it sucks for us consumers but I can see them waiting...

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Originally Posted by sunspot42 View Post

Brilliant timing, copycats. Just in time to be blown out of existence by the iPhone 5...



Morons.

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Originally Posted by Daramouthe View Post

That's right. Blow them sky high out of the water Apple.

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Originally Posted by MacVicta View Post

What a bunch of p******. Apple doesn't wait for anybody to release their phone.

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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

i guess they will never release another phone? I guess there's that two week period when the iphone 5 will be announced and when it goes on sale. Then again, people will complain that it's not the iphone 5S.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

At least this points out the real reason instead of claiming they holding off announcements out of respect for Steve Jobs.

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Maybe they are holding off because they don't want to have to recall them after Android is blocked. They may have to bring them out as Windows Phones or whatever operating systme the "copiests" are trying to "develop".
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

What you call rumor I call sheer idiocy. Sony Xperia, Samsung Galaxy Note, LG Prada -- all new models coming out now. Some fact-checking before you reprint BS?

And then cue all the knee-jerk brainless responses, as if this was real news...

Aren't those three updates of existing models? Isn't the Prada years old? Nothing actually NEW here, then...
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Aren't those three updates of existing models? Isn't the Prada years old? Nothing actually NEW here, then...

Yeah, and the iPhone 4S is a new type of device that the world had never seen before... please... I didn't even check the release dates for these models, if I was going to use minor updates as an argument I could say Razr MAXX, not that it matters. The sole premise of this "article" -- that other vendors are "scared" -- is wrong.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Apple has never used nomenclature that doesn't correspond to the version of the iPhone HW.

Only in a very lose way that is clear only in hindsight.
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iPhone 3G was named so because it contained the 3G HW.
iPhone 3GS was named so because it was the iPhone 3G but speedier.
iPhone 4 was named so because it was the 4th release of the HW (also contained iOS 4 and the A4 chip).
iPhone 4S was named so because it was the iPhone 4 but speedier.

Sure. There is no argument here. But not much of a pattern either...
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If Apple calls it the iPhone 5 it will be an unprecedented move. You might as well say they'll call it the iPhone 4T because T comes after S.

Claiming that iPhone 5 would be an "unprecedented" move is debatable--but even if one grants you that, it doesn't mean it won't happen. Skipping over a number (from 4 to 6) is also unprecedented.
The problem is that, so far, the naming system has been lurching and unpredictable (except in hindsight). And there are only a few in the series. Again, I am not crusading against "6". I just hold out the possibility that Apple could go with the:
iPhone 4T (if you want to have it here)
iPhone 4G (as some have proposed)
iPhone 4L (for LTE)
iPhone 5 (because that is what the general public expects)
iPhone 6 (because it is obvious )
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone ?

These are just model numbers, they don't have to make sense. The only pattern here is naming for hardware design revisions...

Original hardware design
iPhone

2nd generation design
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS

3rd generation design
iPhone 4
iPhone 4GS

Next generation design
iPhone WGAF (Who Gives A Frack)

Why do people get so bent out of shape over something as stupid as this? The fact that Apple has been able to carry the same industrial design for two years probably frustrates the hell out of its competitors... It's proving one thing, users are more interested in the experience the software provides.
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

iPhone ME. That's the next one!

iPhone iME?
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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

i guess they will never release another phone? I guess there's that two week period when the iphone 5 will be announced and when it goes on sale. Then again, people will complain that it's not the iphone 5S.

Yeah, and the news media will complain that the iPhone 5 didn't have the features they wanted and how it's a disappointment. That will be the news until the next quarter results come out and quiets them down.
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It should be noted, however, that DigiTimes' sources have at times proved less than reliable and should be met with some skepticism.

You misspelled "DigiTimes has been wrong about virtually every claim they've ever made".
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Only in a very lose way that is clear only in hindsight.

Sure. There is no argument here. But not much of a pattern either...


Claiming that iPhone 5 would be an "unprecedented" move is debatable--but even if one grants you that, it doesn't mean it won't happen. Skipping over a number (from 4 to 6) is also unprecedented.

You mean like Final Cut Pro 7 ----> Final Cut Pro 10?

I couldn't care less what they call it - and am really amazed that there's so much energy invested into the argument. It will either have features good enough to make me upgrade or it won't. I can't see how the name matters one bit.
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Originally Posted by ko024 View Post

It will be called iPhone 4G

I agree it will have a 4G/LTE chip. So 4G makes some sense, but not sold...

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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

These are just model numbers, they don't have to make sense. The only pattern here is naming for hardware design revisions...

Original hardware design
iPhone

2nd generation design
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS

3rd generation design
iPhone 4
iPhone 4GS

Next generation design
iPhone WGAF (Who Gives A Frack)

Why do people get so bent out of shape over something as stupid as this? The fact that Apple has been able to carry the same industrial design for two years probably frustrates the hell out of its competitors... It's proving one thing, users are more interested in the experience the software provides.

HA!

Just go back to iPhone. End the naming nonsense. I mean, the biggest "disappointment" from the 4S was that it wasn't called the 5. WHO CARES? They are all iPhones.

iPods don't have numbers associated with them. Yes there was the 3G, 4G, 5G, 5.5G, but nothing people called them. They were iPods.
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Oh, good. Time for hat ring throwing into to tie up these loose ends.

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If you see a pattern there that clearly and unequivocally shows that the next in the sequence is iPhone 6, that is great for you. But as long as people have been squawking about it, no one has convinced me that 6 is the only suffix possible for the next iPhone.

And even I'm not petitioning that. Our idea is simply to get people off the completely wrong thinking that it will be called the iPhone 5.

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Apple has absolutely shown that they will use numbers that don't correspond with the actual version number of the phone.

The iPhone and iPhone 4 want to have a word with you.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

You might as well say they'll call it the iPhone 4T because T comes after S.

That that IS their line of thinking, though. Don't give them ideas. They'll start saying "4T is for 4g Telephony."

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It will be called iPhone 4G

Apple has explicitly stated that they're going to let the carriers say what is and is not 4G. And this doesn't work in the dozens of countries that don't have LTE. It's false advertising.

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iPhone 4T (if you want to have it here)
iPhone 4G (as some have proposed)
iPhone 4L (for LTE)
iPhone 5 (because that is what the general public expects)
iPhone 6 (because it is obvious )

4T: He was making a joke about how the people on the other side claim 5 is a legitimate name for "marketing purposes".
4G: As I said earlier, Apple has made that not their call.
4L: Letter smaller than S; I doubt it. If anything, it would be iPhone LTE.
5: Screw what they expect. That's completely meaningless. Everyone expected iPhone 2, and Apple didn't give us that.
6: Well.

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Just go back to iPhone. End the naming nonsense. I mean, the biggest "disappointment" from the 4S was that it wasn't called the 5. WHO CARES? They are all iPhones.

You can't do this when you sell three years' worth of product at once. It's too confusing. Otherwise I'd agree entirely.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

You mean like Final Cut Pro 7 ----> Final Cut Pro 10?

The argument over the next "number" of the iPhone always provides entertainment
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Ok boardroom members, our strategy is to wait until the market is completely saturated with Apple's iPhone4s, THEN, here's the exciting part, we will launch OUR new phone, and target the dummy, low end consumers, and pick up whatever remaining table scraps that Apple leaves us. Sound good? WHO'S WITH ME?!?!
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Ok boardroom members, our strategy is to wait until the market is completely saturated with Apple's iPhone4s, THEN, here's the exciting part, we will launch OUR new phone, and target the dummy, low end consumers, and pick up whatever remaining table scraps that Apple leaves us. Sound good? WHO'S WITH ME?!?!

Amazon is.
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It will be called iPhone 4G

Bingo.

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