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Apple has contacted at least one major Asian supplier about purchasing television display components, checks by one analyst have revealed.

Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster told investors on Tuesday that he had recently spoken to a "major TV component supplier" about Apple's rumored plans to release a connected HDTV. Sources within the supplier reportedly told him that Apple had contacted "regarding various capabilities of their television display components."

Munster said he viewed the news as "continued evidence that Apple is exploring production of a television." Prior evidence that the analyst claims to have gathered surrounding an Apple television includes January 2011 meetings in Asia that suggested Apple was investing in manufacturing facilities for LCD displays as large as 50 inches and a September 2011 meeting with a "contact close to an Asian supplier" who claimed prototypes of an Apple set are in the works.

The firm believes Apple could be ready to release a television as early as late 2012, though Munster noted that "the timeline and stope of a revamped content solution is more uncertain." Various reports have suggested that Apple has run up against resistance from movie and TV studios that are believed to be hesitant to license their content for an Apple television.

The analyst went on to speculate on several possibilities that Apple could make use of to address the content issue. For instance, Apple could simply enable the television to manage pre-existing live TV service from a unified interface, or it could make use of network programming and web-based video services such as Netflix and Hulu. Finally, Munster suggested that Apple could look to offer monthly subscriptions "on an a-la-carte basis" for live TV packages from content providers, but he noted that this is likely the "most challenging scenario" because of existing licensing arrangements.

A separate report claimed late last year that one of Apple's most-desired features for an Apple television set is customized channel lineups. That report also noted that licensing for such a service would be "obviously much more complicated" than current offerings.

Piper Jaffray projects that Apple could sell 1.4 million of the 106 million internet-connected televisions estimated to be sold this year. The investment bank tentatively estimates that revenues from the device could reach $2.5 billion in 2012, $4.0 billion in 2013 and $6.0 billion in 2014.

Munster concluded his note by pointing out that Apple only enters mature markets in order to reinvent them. As such, he does not see Apple entering the TV market without a "revamped TV content solution."

"Since we know Apple is exploring television hardware, we are therefore led to conclude that the company is exploring a solution for live TV, and this solution could be one that has not yet been taken mainstream," he said.

Rumors of an Apple television set have persisted for years, with many of them originating from Munster himself. The likelihood of such a device arriving appears to have increased in recent months as numerous outlets have put forth evidence that Apple is working on a connected TV. Of course, the project also gained credence from a much-quoted excerpt from Apple co-founder Steve Jobs' biography that revealed he believed he had "cracked" the secret to a simple and elegant TV user interface.

Earlier in January, the USA Today claimed Apple design boss Jonathan Ive had a 50-inch television prototype hidden away in a "locked-down studio."

A number of patent applications discovered by AppleInsider for technologies such as advanced backlighting and a simplified universal remote also indicate that Apple is, at the least, investigating the possibility of a full-fledged television set.
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Just give me an A6 Apple TV, Apple. You don't even need to change the terrible interface, just let me play stuff from hard drives connected directly to my AirPort Extreme without a computer ON and iTunes OPEN and I'll be happy.
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Sigh.
Remember when AppleInsider used to be all about phones and tablets? Enough with these TV incesant rumors.
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What resolution will it be, and will it be 3D?
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What resolution will it be, and will it be 3D?

Probably it will be the same as the new iPad retina screen resolution so apps will work well.
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Munster is only second to Shaw Wu on folks you don't trust as informed

Also so what if Jonny has a prototype. He probably has a ton of prototypes of all kinds of things. Many of which probably never turned into products.

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What resolution will it be, and will it be 3D?

Given that we don't even know if it exists (and there's not much sense in it existing), we can't possibly answer that.

In terms of a television, I wouldn't see Steve Jobs settling for anything less than Super Hi-Vision. And 3D's a worthless gimmick. Just like in the 50s. And in the 70s. And just like it will be in the 2040s.

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Probably it will be the same as the new iPad retina screen resolution so apps will work well.

A 4:3 TV? Come on, Connie, you can do better than that.
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In terms of a television, I wouldn't see Steve Jobs settling for anything less than Super Hi-Vision.

You'd think that. After all, Apple has support for high quality video on the pro side (e.g., the ProRes 4444 codec at 4K resolution), but on the consumer side, Apple has only delivered 720p HD through iTunes and AppleTV, below the maximum resolution that most HDTVs are capable of. So, I do see Steve Jobs settling for less, only because... he did.

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You'd think that. After all, Apple has support for high quality video on the pro side (e.g., the ProRes 4444 codec at 4K resolution), but on the consumer side, Apple has only delivered 720p HD through iTunes and AppleTV, below the maximum resolution that most HDTVs are capable of. So, I do see Steve Jobs settling for less, only because... he did.

I agree. It'd be 1080p- no more (what would a 4k tv cost.... Seriously).

And I don't want an a6 ATV box. I want the tv- because I want all my other components (cable, Blu ray, DVR, and interface) built into it. If they revolutionize programming, the box would be one because the UI would be through that. But I still see that very unlikely- so just regular old cable with an incredible UI and remote would make me very very happy. TV please (and cable is fine for me because I need sports).

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Munster concluded his note by pointing out that Apple only enters mature markets in order to reinvent them.

So smartphones, maybe.

Personal computers in the 70's?
MP3 Players in 2001?
Tablets in 2011?

Hardly "mature markets".
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Just give me an A6 Apple TV, Apple. You don't even need to change the terrible interface, just let me play stuff from hard drives connected directly to my AirPort Extreme without a computer ON and iTunes OPEN and I'll be happy.

Yes. Which is what makes me think that if they are doing the whole TV, there must be some necessity involved, such as Steve's big interface idea requires it. Not simply that Apple likes to do the whole widget on principle.
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I cracked it way before Steve did. I'm just waiting to see what apple comes out with before I release BouncerTV! It's gonna blow your minds
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Piper Jaffray projects that Apple could sell 1.4 million of the 106 million internet-connected televisions estimated to be sold this year.

Considering the AppleTV sold something like 2.8 million last year, 1.4 million units for something that will cost a lot more than $99 seems rather unlikely.
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Munster concluded his note by pointing out that Apple only enters mature markets in order to reinvent them.

So smartphones, maybe.

Personal computers in the 70's?
MP3 Players in 2001?
Tablets in 2011?

Hardly "mature markets".


Did apple enter those markets or create them?

What I think Munster was trying to say is "When apple enters mature markets, their goal is to reinvent them."

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Yes. Which is what makes me think that if they are doing the whole TV, there must be some necessity involved, such as Steve's big interface idea requires it. Not simply that Apple likes to do the whole widget on principle.

I won't elaborate on the idea, and I now deplore that I already posted more details (of what I think aTV will be moving to) somewhere else, for fear of drawing further attention to what this "cracking" really will turn out to be.

But I hope the current aTV with a proper upgrade has enough built-in (silent for now) capabilities to play this role, rather than Apple prematurely replacing aTV2 with yet another aTV3
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This is where that 97 billion dollars pile of cash will come in handy. All Apple needs to do is wave a couple billions in front of those TV executives and they'll be able to bring a la carte programming to the masses. Done deal.

Steve Jobs mentioned the problem with the TV market is having a "Go to market" strategy. No matter how fancy your hardware is, it will not suceed without allowing users to pay only for channels they will watch. This is like the iPod and the 99 cents song all over again. Without being able to buy individual songs instead of the whole album, how well would the iPod have done?
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Just give me an A6 Apple TV, Apple. You don't even need to change the terrible interface, just let me play stuff from hard drives connected directly to my AirPort Extreme without a computer ON and iTunes OPEN and I'll be happy.

Doesn't the Apple TV use the A4 right now? The next one would probably use the A5 as its been behind the iPad and iPhone SoC by one generation before. And honestly, why would a simple media playback device need a quad core Cortex A9, the A5 can already decode 1080p.
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Doesn't the Apple TV use the A4 right now? The next one would probably use the A5 as its been behind the iPad and iPhone SoC by one generation before. And honestly, why would a simple media playback device need a quad core Cortex A9, the A5 can already decode 1080p.

Because of TV Apps.
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What resolution will it be, and will it be 3D?

I won't be 3D, and thank God for that. 3D is a gimmick that should be kept to once-a-year theater events.
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I agree. It'd be 1080p- no more (what would a 4k tv cost.... Seriously.

What about downloading 4K content, haha.
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So smartphones, maybe.

Personal computers in the 70's?
MP3 Players in 2001?
Tablets in 2011?

Hardly "mature markets".

Agreed, he's extrapolating smartphones for his whole argument.
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Considering the AppleTV sold something like 2.8 million last year, 1.4 million units for something that will cost a lot more than $99 seems rather unlikely.

Well they'll sell 0 if it doesn't come out this year, which it mat not as the content deals are what are really holding it up. But 1.4M TV's for Apple in one year? Clearly achievable.
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Did apple enter those markets or create them?

What I think Munster was trying to say is "When apple enters mature markets, their goal is to reinvent them."

Excellent point. I would submit that Apple's main goal is not to reinvent anything, but to provide a great product in markets where there isn't one. I see Apple being inspired by frustration with using other products more than anything else, because there sure is a lot of crap out there.
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Okay, perhaps it is time for Apple to put some of that $100 billion to work.

CBS/Viacom:
Controlled by National Amusements, which interestingly has been in some financial trouble the last few years. I am thinking a few billion should easily buy what they want if they simply go above the CBS suit's heads and deal directly with Michael Redstone.

ABC:
Owned by Disney, which shouldn't be a problem for Apple given their history.

Fox:
This one could be a problem since Murdock doesn't seem to understand anything about modern technology. (Reference recent tirade on Twitter.) And Fox has shown an incredible reluctance to give their customers what they really want. In this case, I am thinking a cool $25 billion expenditure would be in order to buy up a supervoting block of News Corp stock. This would have the added benefit of giving Apple an inroad to Hulu, as Fox owns part of Hulu.

NBC:
This one isn't really an issue, since when Comcast bought NBCUniversal they had to agree to basically agree to any licensing deal that the other networks agree to. So, get the others aboard and NBC pretty much has to agree or have the government startup nasty inquiries.

So, I am thinking that for about $30 billion (or twice what they made last quarter) they should be able to secure licensing deals with all four major networks.

Of course, the real question is whether this is a good expenditure or not. That is a lot of money, after all.
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Hope its not a rectangle, thin, with an uncluttered front, and comes packaged in a rectangular box. Cause then i won't be able to tell the difference between it and a samsung TV from 20 feet and they could get sued and have their products banned.....in germany
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This is where that 97 billion dollars pile of cash will come in handy. All Apple needs to do is wave a couple billions in front of those TV executives and they'll be able to bring a la carte programming to the masses. Done deal.

Steve Jobs mentioned the problem with the TV market is having a "Go to market" strategy. No matter how fancy your hardware is, it will not suceed without allowing users to pay only for channels they will watch. This is like the iPod and the 99 cents song all over again. Without being able to buy individual songs instead of the whole album, how well would the iPod have done?

People want to watch what they want to watch. It's Apple's job to give it to them. Now how they give it to them is clearly important and is in essence Apple's magic. But getting them that show they watch is clearly the most important factor here.

Apple should ABSOLUTELY bid on getting the Sky Sports contract in the UK. It's quite possibly the most important LIVE TV contract in the world, and I sure don't want to see Rupert Murdock getting it again. I can promise you in this part of the world this would sell Apple Televisions.
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Not really regarding an 'Apple TV' per se, but with ANY streaming solution the problem as always is the content.

I tried out Netflix when it launched in the UK last month - it is an amazing service that works brilliantly across your devices and I loved the idea of a fixed monthly fee where I could watch anything I want , TV show or movie, whenever.

The problem with Netflix is the complete lack of content! My first 4 searches of movies I wanted to watch were not available for streaming.

I cancelled. Brilliant idea - not anywhere near enough content.

If Apple can find a way to get all the major studios/networks to agree and allow ALL their TV/Movies content to be streamed in HD, then I will sign up.. it is the way forward and the future.
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What could you possible do with an apple TV

1) gaming and apps for the living room
2) record live TV to any of your macs or NAS equiped airports
3) a menu system that could be controlled via an apple remote, iphone, ipad, mac
4) Siri for people who want to talk to their tv
5) playback to your macs, iphones, ipads
6) bluetooth speaker support
7) video decode for any formats to support your cameras, downloads, ...
8) simple interface for blue-ray/dvds

the challenge

How do you get access to the streams from direct TV, comcast, dish, etc....To be ultimately cool, you need to get those boxes out of the loop. Most of these boxes can be controlled via wifi now, there are apps to control them. So it should be possible.
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Not really regarding an 'Apple TV' per se, but with ANY streaming solution the problem as always is the content.

I tried out Netflix when it launched in the UK last month - it is an amazing service that works brilliantly across your devices and I loved the idea of a fixed monthly fee where I could watch anything I want , TV show or movie, whenever.

The problem with Netflix is the complete lack of content! My first 4 searches of movies I wanted to watch were not available for streaming.

I cancelled. Brilliant idea - not anywhere near enough content.

If Apple can find a way to get all the major studios/networks to agree and allow ALL their TV/Movies content to be streamed in HD, then I will sign up.. it is the way forward and the future.

And that's the rub, Content owners are generally petrified of Apple. And what's even scarier for them is that this isn't the same Apple that came at the the music studios in 2002 wanting to do a music store. 2012 Apple is a worldwide goliath that's bigger than any of them. And then there's Netflix. Netflix showed that the streaming model works. The problem is that studios think they can get more money than what Netflix is willing to charge. They think their content is worth more than it probably is. So now while they are trying to kill Netflix without raising the ire of the Justice Department, here comes Apple wanting to do their own content box. Studios see Apple $100b war chest and lick their chops at getting some of it, but Tim Cook is no fool and will not do a deal that doesn't make Apple a pile of money somewhere.
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Not really regarding an 'Apple TV' per se, but with ANY streaming solution the problem as always is the content.

I tried out Netflix when it launched in the UK last month - it is an amazing service that works brilliantly across your devices and I loved the idea of a fixed monthly fee where I could watch anything I want , TV show or movie, whenever.

The problem with Netflix is the complete lack of content! My first 4 searches of movies I wanted to watch were not available for streaming.

I cancelled. Brilliant idea - not anywhere near enough content.

My plan for Netflix is to watch what I want to watch and then cancel. I'm still in my free month.
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What could you possible do with an apple TV

1) gaming and apps for the living room

In my opinion gaming for the living room on the TV needs a dedicated hardware controller (with physical buttons). If Apple does allow gaming apps I sure hope they come out with a PS3-inspired hardware controller.


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2) record live TV to any of your macs or NAS equiped airports

That it won't have.

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3) a menu system that could be controlled via an apple remote, iphone, ipad, mac

A gimmick but it may have this.

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4) Siri for people who want to talk to their tv

I don't see Siri getting added to their TV.

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5) playback to your macs, iphones, ipads

I see playback happening the other way around via apps like Air Video and AirPlay.

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What could you possible do with an apple TV6) bluetooth speaker support

Bluetooth TV speaker? meh...


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7) video decode for any formats to support your cameras, downloads, ...

Keep dreaming. Though a third party Air Video iTV app would do this if it wasn't rejected.

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8) simple interface for blue-ray/dvds

There won't be a DVD slot or an HDMI port. There will be audio ports, that's all, but I expect the built-in speakers to be decent.

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the challenge

How do you get access to the streams from direct TV, comcast, dish, etc....To be ultimately cool, you need to get those boxes out of the loop. Most of these boxes can be controlled via wifi now, there are apps to control them. So it should be possible.

It won't talk to these boxes, once again you think America is the world. It will circumvent these boxes completely by Apple doing content deals - this is the actual challenge.
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And I don't want an a6 ATV box. I want the tv- because I want all my other components (cable, Blu ray, DVR, and interface) built into it.

They wouldn't be, so

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If they revolutionize programming, the box would be one because the UI would be through that.

And why should I have to buy an entirely new TV to replace my (potentially 1, 2, 3, etc.) perfectly good televisions just to have that?

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Doesn't the Apple TV use the A4 right now? The next one would probably use the A5 as its been behind the iPad and iPhone SoC by one generation before.

When? When the current one came out, the iPhone 4 was the modern iPhone, and it has an A4 chip. The iPad and iPod touch with A4 were also out then. New models of any of them wouldn't show up until March the following year.

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And honestly, why would a simple media playback device need a quad core Cortex A9, the A5 can already decode 1080p.

Because Apple has given infinity illegitimate excuses for not doing 1080p with the CURRENT box when it's capable. It would be easier for them to have all four products shipping with A6 chips and easier for us to not accept stuff being cut out.

No, I don't think it's for apps. There's no real point to apps on a TV setting. I just want the power for on-the-fly decodes/encodes/recodes and whatever else is needed.
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There are enough rumors that make me think this is happening but I still heard a single reasonable reason why this is better for Apple an consumers over a standalone box that allows you to connect any dummy TV or Apple licensing with TV vendors to allow the many different sizes and types to appeal to a vast range of consumers.


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Agreed, he's extrapolating smartphones for his whole argument.

And you could argue that the smartphone market wasn't mature in retrospect when you look at how easily Apple not only changed the way we look at smartphones, but also made them popular and took the lion's share of the profits a year after entry.

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I won't be 3D, and thank God for that. 3D is a gimmick that should be kept to once-a-year theater events.

Binocular vision is a gimmick.

Wear a patch over one eye. You'll be happier seeing the world flat, and maybe get more attention besides.
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TS- I, too, think the most likely predecessor to the apple tv 2 will be an a5 or a6 apple tv 3 that allows for 1080p streaming, and not much else different than what we have now.

But having an ATV box with a great interface and way to access content much easier could only be successful if you had a content deal worked out. If there is no content deal, outside of 1080p, it offers nothing else.

Having an integrated tv (cable card or Internet tv partners like Uverse, Blu ray player, apple tv box built in, DVR built in) would allow for all that content to be accessed via the new well designed and great user interface. I've thought dozens of times how awesome it would be to hold a button on a remote and say "record the mavericks basketball game tonight". Or "play Coldplay rush of blood to the head". Or "play wall-e". That could only be done with a content deal on the box, but could be done tomorrow on an integrated tv with a content partner. That option is more than fine with me. You could still get a streaming ATV box for your other TVs, but for ones you wanted built-in simplicity, you could get the apple television.

Heck- the stand alone box could give access to record to your full television, access recorded information, or maybe even have its own content access via Uverse as well (just no Blu ray or DVR- itd still be a streaming only device). But the boxes only work different than they do now (standalone) if you have a full television or something. Typical apple- buy this product with this product and you get this much more functionality.

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There are enough rumors that make me think this is happening but I still heard a single reasonable reason why this is better for Apple an consumers over a standalone box that allows you to connect any dummy TV or Apple licensing with TV vendors to allow the many different sizes and types to appeal to a vast range of

I just gave ya one.

If a content deal is not worked out (very very very possible- because of local sports alone).

No content deal = an apple tv box can't have a beautiful interface for all content. You'd have to still use a cable box.
No content deal = a full fledged television with Blu ray, DVR, ATV, and a content partner like Uverse would allow for a great user interface.

If a content deal is worked out, I agree, no need. But if it isn't- which I think it won't be (impossible for nfl, local MLB, local nba, local NHL), then we could have that amazing interface tomorrow.

I'm all about easier way to access- not a revolution. That way the apple haters can say I'm an idiot for spending $500 more to get a Blu ray player built in and a cable box/DVR I already have. They won't understand the ease of access, they'll only understand they get the same thing I do (with a much harder way and less enjoyable way to get it). Perfect scenario even for the haters!

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... Since we know Apple is exploring television hardware, we are therefore led to conclude that the company is exploring a solution for live TV ....

This part here is completely unsupported and is basically just an assumption Munster is making.

I'm not saying they definitely *aren't* exploring integrating "live TV" (although I can't see why they would), but there is no logic to his statement about it. Apple could easily be making a TV that doesn't use "live TV" at all. The fact that they are making a TV doesn't therefore mean they will be looking at "live TV" solutions.

Huge numbers of people don't give a hoot about "live TV" at all and most of them are the forward/alternative thinking types that would buy an Apple branded TV set.
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So smartphones, maybe.

Personal computers in the 70's?
MP3 Players in 2001?
Tablets in 2011?

Hardly "mature markets".

Personal computers wasn't much of a market until the early 90's
Now MP3 players is a lil tricky, they were available but still fairly new but they were a technological progression from Walkmans, cassette/CD, which in 2001 was a very mature market.
Tablets have been around for quite some time but nothing like the iPad.

In some cases they grew a weak market with a great product, in another they shook up the status quo.
Both very effective and profitable.
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