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post #41 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:13pm
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Does anyone know if there is a way we don't have to add all the foreign language options. I'll never be using them. I only speak and read English.

Just use Monolingual after installing.
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post #42 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:14pm
I just installed the 10.7.3 update on my Mac Pro.
My computer restarted but I got major problems. Any program I try to start quits immediately and I keep getting a strange window that states that window restarting failed.
Any ideas?
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post #43 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:21pm
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Should I install the airport update first?

All is good for me I just love apple it just works.
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post #44 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:36pm
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The only issue I have with Lion is Safari crashing and taking down the whole system with it. I downloaded and installed, now to find out if Safari was fixed or not?

When you say, take down the whole system, what do you mean? I've never seen a system crash since OS 9! I've seen the Finder crash a few times . I've seen a few kernel panics in the early days of OS X and that's about it. Just curious if you mean a literal crash?
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post #45 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:46pm
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All is good for me I just love apple it just works.

Every single person I know who has installed has had zero problems.

Apple stuff always just works.
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post #46 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:52pm
I don't understand all the issues people are having. I updated without a hitch- like every single OSX update I've ever done.
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post #47 of 105
2/1/12 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

I don't understand all the issues people are having. I updated without a hitch- like every single OSX update I've ever done.

same here, no problems at all…

my way or the highway...

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my way or the highway...

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post #48 of 105
2/1/12 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Every single person I know who has installed has had zero problems.

Apple stuff always just works.

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I don't understand all the issues people are having. I updated without a hitch- like every single OSX update I've ever done.

Not always. While it's rarer than issues with other major OSes because Apple designs the HW for it there are still plenty of chances for things to go wrong. Even if you have hundreds getting install issues the percentage could still be less than 0.001%.

Those that are having an issue may have had there file system out of whack before installing the update. I always check it first just to be sure. A couple times I've needed to reinstall OS because it's failed the check. That's just one potential issue that could make an update go awry.

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post #49 of 105
2/1/12 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

When you say, take down the whole system, what do you mean? I've never seen a system crash since OS 9! I've seen the Finder crash a few times . I've seen a few kernel panics in the early days of OS X and that's about it. Just curious if you mean a literal crash?

The whole system locks up, I can't do anything, sometimes it is a spinning beach ball sometimes it isn't, sometimes Alt+Cmd+Esc work, most of the time it doesn't and I find myself forced to shut it down and turn it back on. I used Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard before and I never experienced this before Lion, and it is only because of Safari, it was most frequent initially but after 10.7.2 it became less often. I could use another browser and I do have Firefox, Chrome and Opera installed but I prefer Safari and choose to use it despite the fact. I hope this fixes it, because other than this I totally adore Lion.

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post #50 of 105
2/1/12 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

The whole system locks up, I can't do anything, sometimes it is a spinning beach ball sometimes it isn't, sometimes Alt+Cmd+Esc work, most of the time it doesn't and I find myself forced to shut it down and turn it back on. I used Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard before and I never experienced this before Lion, and it is only because of Safari, it was most frequent initially but after 10.7.2 it became less often. I could use another browser and I do have Firefox, Chrome and Opera installed but I prefer Safari and choose to use it despite the fact. I hope this fixes it, because other than this I totally adore Lion.

Failed. It suppose to just work
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post #51 of 105
2/1/12 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post

same here, no problems at all

ditto

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post #52 of 105
2/1/12 at 6:57pm
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Resolve a Wi-Fi connection issue when waking from sleep

I have had consistent problems with this. My standard solution has been booting into Win 7 when I can't get OSX to work (even after a complete shutdown, on a couple occasions,) and that has been effective, but obviously less than ideal.

Glad this has been addressed.
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post #53 of 105
2/1/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

I wish this would die

wow. don't snap at him like that.
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post #54 of 105
2/1/12 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by Just_Me View Post

Failed. It suppose to just work

So far so good here. I haven't checked everything though.

One weird thing, the update set my two side monitors to 1080i instead of 1080p. They were both shaking after the update. Luckily, or smartly, I checked them under "displays" before going too crazy. (i did turn one off then on again first).

Anyone who has this issue, don't panic. Just set them back to 1080p. All is good!
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post #55 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:01pm
My 10.7.3 update on my 2008 MBA Rev A 10.7.3 was unbelievably big. And it was a single update. The update weighed-in a 1.2gb - the largest I've ever seen for a Mac OS X update on my trusty MBA. I haven't had time to play around with it yet, but the system seemed more responsive, even Safari. Here's hoping that the heat issues have been resolved as well. I've been considering downgrading to Snow Leopard again because I couldn't even watch 10 mins of YouTube videos in flash before the system overheated and crashed. And HTML5 videos took way too long to stream, hope that's been fixed as well.
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post #56 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:11pm
I did also notice that Time Machine also has to back up the entire system all over again. A 1hour backup so far on USB 2.0.

I need to pick up a Thunderbolt drive...
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post #57 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Both my MBPs, an i7 an i5 updated Lion flawlessly via software update. I am on FiOS 25/25 in SW Florida.

I swear Safari is snappier!

Snappier isn't the word for it. Safari loads in ~1 second now.

Downloaded in about 4 minutes, installed in about 15. So far so good. It just works!

Why does Apple bashing and trolling make people feel so good?

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post #58 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:15pm
Lots of people on apple support discussing what's happened to me.

Updated my 2010 MacBook air running 10.7.2. Upon reboot, everything looks ok. I can log in, but then every program crashes and CUI is displayed where any graphic would be such as any button, scroll bars etc.

My machine is a total and complete vegetable. On the support thread, it's reported that installing the combo update does not have a problem and installs fine.

At this time, it's not worth the risk. I'd strongly suggest to avoid updating at this time until the dust settles. This is not a minor problem.

I'm having to post this form my iPad.

Here's the URL for the apple support discussion, https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3703113?tstart=0
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post #59 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by dm3 View Post

Lots of people on apple support discussing what's happened to me.

Updated my 2010 MacBook air running 10.7.2. Upon reboot, everything looks ok. I can log in, but then every program crashes and CUI is displayed where any graphic would be such as any button, scroll bars etc.

My machine is a total and complete vegetable. On the support thread, it's reported that installing the combo update does not have a problem and installs fine.

At this time, it's not worth the risk. I'd strongly suggest to avoid updating at this time until the dust settles. This is not a minor problem.

I'm having to post this form my iPad.

Being a major issue with your machine doesn't mean it's a major issue with the update. There are a trillion reasons why your update failed.

What do you have to lose by installing the Combo Update? You system is already hosed so might as well try to correct the problem instead of preaching the sky is falling. If you can't get to the Combo Update you can just boot into the Recovery HD and then reinstall the OS over itself... then do the update.

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post #60 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by dm3 View Post

Do not install this update!!!!!

Works fine.

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At this time, it's not worth the risk. I'd strongly suggest to avoid updating at this time until the dust settles. This is not a minor problem.

Sure it is. It's a problem that deserves a response appropriate to the magnitude of its damage. Not this FUD.
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post #61 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:40pm
I had major issues with this.

I attempted to download the update, but was having connection reliability issues. I discovered there was a driver update for my router but once I downloaded that my whole system started crashing and freezing.

I uninstalled all my drivers and began reinstalling them one by one until I verified that the driver for my graphics card was the wrong one.

I borrowed a friends computer and, after spending a couple of hours trying to work out which one of the thirty graphics card drivers that were available was the correct one for me, downloaded it, transferred it, installed it, then re-installed all my other drivers again. I then proceeded to download the original update again.

Unfortunately, the download got to 97% then disconnected.

I started all over again and, after getting only two blue screens of death, appear to have successfully got this installed.

However, I'm probably going to have to upgrade my CPU, motherboard, and possibly the just sorted graphics card to get it all running a bit more smoothly. These updates can be time consuming and expensive!

Oh, wait a minute.

None of that happened at all.

That was my old WINDOWS system.

With my Apple, it all just worked.
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post #62 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:51pm
As a minor update on my Wifi issues after waking from sleep, it does appear that the issue is resolved, based on three anecdotal trials.

I had no problems (like most others had not, it appears) downloading/installing the update. I even put my MBA in standby half way through the download and finished it at home because the coffee shop I was at quite rudely closed at 6pm, without even asking if it was ok. Sheesh!

Download picked up where it had left off and installed seamlessly.
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post #63 of 105
2/1/12 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by GTR View Post

I had major issues with this.

I attempted to download the update, but was having connection reliability issues. I discovered there was a driver update for my router but once I downloaded that my whole system started crashing and freezing.

I uninstalled all my drivers and began reinstalling them one by one until I verified that the driver for my graphics card was the wrong one.

I borrowed a friends computer and, after spending a couple of hours trying to work out which one of the thirty graphics card drivers that were available was the correct one for me, downloaded it, transferred it, installed it, then re-installed all my other drivers again. I then proceeded to download the original update again.

Unfortunately, the download got to 97% then disconnected.

I started all over again and, after getting only two blue screens of death, appear to have successfully got this installed.

However, I'm probably going to have to upgrade my CPU, motherboard, and possibly the just sorted graphics card to get it all running a bit more smoothly. These updates can be time consuming and expensive!

Oh, wait a minute.

None of that happened at all.

That was my old WINDOWS system.

With my Apple, it all just worked.

You actually had me going. I was thinking, "Sounds more like a PC to me", the whole time. I thought you were an apple hater/plant. Don't get me wrong, I've been reading all sorts of problems people are having that just don't make any sense on other sites, including Apples' site. Before I would not have believed any of them, but my last computer worked fine until a SL update about a year ago that made iTunes stutter. It didn't effect any work or anything else, but it made me very angry. I bought a new Mac, which doesn't have the problem. Now after Lion, the old one doesn't have that problem anymore either.

You got me though!
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post #64 of 105
2/1/12 at 9:06pm
After using Software Upgrade to 10.7.3, I,and some others, experience all Buttons have "CUI CUI CUI ???" and almost all applications (including Finder and Safari) immediately crash resulting in an unusable system.

See https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0 for a discussion.

I, and others, have resolved this by restoring to 10.7.2 with Time Machine and manually downloading the 10.7.3 Combo Fix .dgm file and manually installing the update.

The above Apple Discussion thread has details.

I do not know how pervasive this issue is.
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post #65 of 105
2/1/12 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Works fine.

Sure it is. It's a problem that deserves a response appropriate to the magnitude of its damage. Not this FUD.

It is very sad to see people like this who blindly follow whatever it is and can't believe whatever they worship can make mistakes. I see it with Apple/iphone fans, Android fans, and especially politics. Its a shame wherever it occurs. Its best to be aware of reality and not purposely be blind to anything.

10.7.3 is causing serious problems for a significant number of users. The thread I posted on Apple support has 2400 page views within 6 hours of the release of 10.7.3. Recognize people who have this problem have lost the ability to post on forums such as this unless they have another system.

Declaring a problem report and thread with 2400 page views as FUD is in itself not useful.
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post #66 of 105
2/1/12 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by dm3 View Post

It is very sad to see people like this who blindly follow whatever it is and can't believe whatever they worship can make mistakes. I see it with Apple/iphone fans, Android fans, and especially politics. Its a shame wherever it occurs. Its best to be aware of reality and not purposely be blind to anything.

10.7.3 is causing serious problems for a significant number of users. The thread I posted on Apple support has 2400 page views within 6 hours of the release of 10.7.3. Recognize people who have this problem have lost the ability to post on forums such as this unless they have another system.

Declaring a problem report and thread with 2400 page views as FUD is in itself not useful.

Implying it's a major issue for everyone because you have the problem certainly sounds a bit FUDdy to me. You didn't state that people should be cautious, should verify their file system in intact with Disk Utility, and/or use the Combo Updater to install the update, instead you told everyone to stay far away from this update.

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post #67 of 105
2/1/12 at 10:32pm
Suggestions that have worked for the 10.7.3 CUI problem include:
All fixes involve downloading the 10.7.3 combo update from Apple and installing that over the failed 10.7.3 update.
1. If firewire is available, boot another Lion machine, connect to failing machine via target disk mode, run combo installer pointing to failing machine disk drive.
2. If you have an external disk drive, install Lion on it, download combo installer, run combo installer pointing to failing machine disk drive.
3. Same if you have Lion on USB stick.
4. If no firewire, no external drive, no USB installation, least destroying seems to be to use recovery mode (boot with Command-R), then reinstall Lion. This may install 10.7.3 directly. If not, can download the combo installer and update.
5. Last resort which many people are doing is to restore from a Time Machine backup if available. Can decide to update or not. If updating to 10.7.3 download and run the combo installer.
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post #68 of 105
2/1/12 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Implying it's a major issue for everyone because you have the problem certainly sounds a bit FUDdy to me. You didn't state that people should be cautious, should verify their file system in intact with Disk Utility, and/or use the Combo Updater to install the update, instead you told everyone to stay far away from this update.

I didn't say its a major issue for everyone. I said "lots of people" and pointed to a busy thread.
I have no idea if file system check with Disk utility has anything to do with it. Seems like a random comment.

I wish I had been advised to stay away from this update. I certainly didn't expect to be machine-less this evening. I had work to do.

Is the criticism that I should have not posted at all and let folks run into a very serious problem themselves with no warning? Seems more prudent to warn than to make believe a problem doesn't exist. I'm not forcing anyone to install or not, they can choose to ignore and update at their own peril. So far, there's no indication what triggers the problem other than it occurring from the regular software update path and not the combo installer. Before running into this thread, (after my machine was non-functional) I hadn't heard of anyone that was able to successfully install 10.7.3 from software update.
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post #69 of 105
2/1/12 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by dm3 View Post

I didn't say its a major issue for everyone. I said "lots of people" and pointed to a busy thread.
I have no idea if file system check with Disk utility has anything to do with it. Seems like a random comment.

I wish I had been advised to stay away from this update. I certainly didn't expect to be machine-less this evening. I had work to do.

Is the criticism that I should have not posted at all and let folks run into a very serious problem themselves with no warning? Seems more prudent to warn than to make believe a problem doesn't exist. I'm not forcing anyone to install or not, they can choose to ignore and update at their own peril. So far, there's no indication what triggers the problem other than it occurring from the regular software update path and not the combo installer. Before running into this thread, (after my machine was non-functional) I hadn't heard of anyone that was able to successfully install 10.7.3 from software update.

Thanks for the warning!

Some people get crazy about their allegiances to corporations... it is both funny and disgusting at the same time.
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post #70 of 105
2/1/12 at 11:47pm
I had to disable Herald then unistall it as it was not compatible with this new update, bloody great!
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post #71 of 105
2/2/12 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by cgkalie View Post

My 10.7.3 update on my 2008 MBA Rev A 10.7.3 was unbelievably big. And it was a single update. The update weighed-in a 1.2gb - the largest I've ever seen for a Mac OS X update on my trusty MBA. I haven't had time to play around with it yet, but the system seemed more responsive, even Safari. Here's hoping that the heat issues have been resolved as well. I've been considering downgrading to Snow Leopard again because I couldn't even watch 10 mins of YouTube videos in flash before the system overheated and crashed. And HTML5 videos took way too long to stream, hope that's been fixed as well.

I'm also hoping for an improvement on the battery life as well (Macbook 5,1). At the moment it isn't much better than my cheap Toshiba laptop.
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post #72 of 105
2/2/12 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Both my MBPs, an i7 an i5 updated Lion flawlessly via software update. I am on FiOS 25/25 in SW Florida.

I swear Safari is snappier!

Me too. In fact, everything seems snappier on the MBAir: iPhoto with 15,000 shots in the library opens in 3 secs from the cold, as does Aperture, and iTunes, and a ChemBioOffice Ultra file opens after loading Win 7 in VMWare in just 25 seconds from the cold.

Be aware: post-update, DiskUtility did a dozen or so permissions corrections on my machine (usually there's none).
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post #73 of 105
2/2/12 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by dm3 View Post

I didn't say its a major issue for everyone. I said "lots of people" and pointed to a busy thread.

I wish I had been advised to stay away from this update. I certainly didn't expect to be machine-less this evening. I had work to do.

The last time an Apple update messed up my Mac was the infamous System 7.5.3.

I've installed 10.7.3 via software update and so far it seems to be running fine for me, and for most other posters.

You've been consistent in your posts with Apple bashing.

I'm sorry that your system not working.

Spare us the fanboy insults when the majority report no problems with their systems.
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post #74 of 105
2/2/12 at 5:02am
Looks like the Apple servers have caught up with demand for this update. Downloaded in under a minute this a.m. But the actual install took a long time, at least 15 minutes, on my three-year-old MBP. OTOH, it only took about five minutes to install on a fairly new Mac mini.

No problems noted on either machine.

Now on to two more installs...spouse's and son's MBPs.
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post #75 of 105
2/2/12 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by Felix01 View Post

Looks like the Apple servers have caught up with demand for this update. Downloaded in under a minute this a.m. But the actual install took a long time, at least 15 minutes, on my three-year-old MBP. OTOH, it only took about five minutes to install on a fairly new Mac mini.

No problems noted on either machine.

Now on to two more installs...spouse's and son's MBPs.

It's too bad the AirPort routers don't have a certain amount local storage with knowledge of your LAN's Macs so that when you go to grab the update it can temporality store the Combo Update for all machines.

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post #76 of 105
2/2/12 at 7:50am
The resolution independence (or rather HiDPI support) is finally finished in this release (well at least I can't find any glitches). Retina Mac come soon me thinks.
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post #77 of 105
2/2/12 at 8:21am
had no problems installing on my iMac or my Mac Book Air .... it took forever to download ... but no problems installing it
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post #78 of 105
2/2/12 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

It's too bad the AirPort routers don't have a certain amount local storage with knowledge of your LAN's Macs so that when you go to grab the update it can temporality store the Combo Update for all machines.

i was thinking the exact same thing when i have to download the update few times for my office PCs… or shall i say Macs?
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my way or the highway...

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post #79 of 105
2/2/12 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by thecynicwithin View Post

The support page for the Snow Leopard update (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1489) links to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222 for more information, but that page hasn't been updated in months. This has happened for all updates in recent memory.

I guess it shouldn't make any difference; regardless of what Apple tells us an update does, whether it addresses an issue we're having or not, they insist there are all kinds of unlisted changes and we would be stupid not to trust them, even if we've been burned by updates in the past. All it does is make me more mistrustful. They need to stop treating customers as afterthoughts.

It seems like your caution is prudent in this case for the Snow Leopard Security update. Several reports on macintouch and macworld about the update breaking all Rosetta applications. Hmm...an oversight on Apple's part in not testing the update against Rosetta, or deliberate choice to just not bother with it?
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2/2/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Surfer Rosa View Post

I'm also hoping for an improvement on the battery life as well (Macbook 5,1). At the moment it isn't much better than my cheap Toshiba laptop.

I had that problem with my 5,1 last year. Does System Profiler indicate that the battery is bad? They replaced mine free of charge at the local Apple store, even though batteries are not apparently covered by AppleCare.

The 10.7.3 update was smooth. No problems.
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