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Originally Posted by Firefly7475

It's far worse than that.

That someone would have the self-belief they can label another person as a "loser" based on the type of phone they have indicates a level of social ineptitude (or immaturity) bordering on clinical narcissism.

I hate to invoke such an overused Internet forum cliché, but these truly are the words of a teenager (or perhaps adult in need of psychological evaluation).

Originally Posted by Pocketnow

Microsoft is addressing one of the platform's pain points, which is a perceived inability to compete in spec sheet comparisons with the iPhone and Android-based devices.

Originally Posted by Apple Insider

Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 8, expected in the second half of the year, will seek to address its perceived inability to compete with Apple's iPhone and Google's Android

Originally Posted by Apple Insider

Existing Windows Phones lack support for a front facing camera, making Skype integration mostly useful to Windows Phone buyers who wait until next year.

Originally Posted by Apple Insider

The report mentioned that WP8 will actively attempt to give Wi-Fi connections precedence, going so far as to automatically connect to carrier-owned WLANs when in range, features that iOS introduced several years ago.

Originally Posted by DaveMcM76

Multi core processor support is still just "among the goals"? That to me reads like it is something they'd like to include but aren't sure they'll manage it...

Surely stuff like that should be a nailed on certainty if they want to have any chance of competing? iPhone has been dual core for several months now (almost a year if we include the iPad 2) and quad core is rumoured for the iPad 3 and iPhone 5/6/?. Quad core Android phones are now getting reasonably common so to be still only aiming for multi core in an OS that won't be released for another few months is madness.

One of Microsofts biggest problems is that the current hardware requirements placed on manufacturers just don't allow for enough variation in handsets for any clear distinction between them, so consumers give up trying to pick one and walk out with an iphone or an android phone instead.

Originally Posted by DaveMcM76

They also really need to do something about power usage too - while Mango helped a lot windows phone 7 is still far more power hungry than iOS and Android, which considering it's only allowed to run on single core cpus is a pretty poor showing.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Looks to me like Microsoft STILL doesn't get it.

Simply listing 1,000 features is not going to convince customers to switch to your device (especially when the competition already has 99.8% of them.

Give the customer a good reason why they're going to be wowed by the Windows Phone 8. What is it that is going to knock their socks off? If you can find something, THAT Is what you should be promoting. If you can't find something, then you need to go back to the drawing board.

Specs are so '90s.

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

Too little too late. anybody that would even consider WP must be a total loser.

Originally Posted by Firefly7475

...but the truth is the only thing you did wrong was make the mistake of taking a Dillger article at face value, something I've been guilty of myself..

Originally Posted by Braden99

Get it? What that only Apple should have a mobile operating system? Because they are supercool, and MS evil?

Originally Posted by chabig

Lots of people say this, but what is the evidence? Never has Apple required competition to innovate. Competition didn't create the iPod, iPhone, or iPad.

Originally Posted by Firefly7475

It's far worse than that.

That someone would have the self-belief they can label another person as a "loser" based on the type of phone they have indicates a level of social ineptitude (or immaturity) bordering on clinical narcissism.

I hate to invoke such an overused Internet forum cliché, but these truly are the words of a teenager (or perhaps adult in need of psychological evaluation).

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

Windows Phone is crap. Microsoft has no taste. The letters all get cut off on the right of the "tile" so you can't even read it. Use the right font size, eh?

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

It's more than just the puck, Apple is at another ice rink and no one else even knows where the game is at. That said, it's Apple controlling not only the game but the league, so I don't know MS (or anyone else) can do anything else but keep investing into into this market for a chance to carve out a niche or for Apple to screw up. Apple and Nintendo are two technology companies that have both fallen from their perch and come back to reclaim strong holds. I see no reason why MS can't do that. Surely WinPh will cost them less than the Xbox 360 did. Are you specifically against the way MS is doing something with WinPh or is this just a general slam against them?

MS probably makes the most profit in the industry after Apple from licenses from handset vendors. I think that will pay for their WinPh R&D for quite awhile. All they can do is try, can we really expect anything else. Now we point real issues with their approach but there really isn't any, except for calling it Windows. WinPh is solid, it's just less mature than iOS so the ecosystem pales in comparison. That can be corrected with time. Will it, seems doubtful, but it seems even less doubtful that all those vendors using Android will actually be around in 5 years, with the exception of Samsung who might have forked Android completely or moved on to Bada by that point. In any case, MS is actually doing a bang up job with their mobile OS. To quote David Pogue, "It's not popular because it's not popular."

Originally Posted by SpamSandwich

Forget about the "perceived inability to compete", what about the ACTUAL inability to compete?

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

Windows Phone is crap. Microsoft has no taste. The letters all get cut off on the right of the "tile" so you can't even read it. Use the right font size, eh?

Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret

Wow! of this is your analysis of this guy, I wonder what you'd say about good ol' Apple][!

Originally Posted by Psych_guy

So it's not OK for someone to call someone a Loser, because that means they are immature and could mean they're narcissist, but it's OK for you to call that person a teenager. Got it.

How is that any different? Should I consider you a narcissist for having slung a childish insult back?

Originally Posted by nvidia2008

I like the "Metro-esque" UI on the latest Xbox360 software update. I'll say it a million times, Xbox360 is about the only thing Microsoft "gets" right now in the consumer space. Even then, I can't watch YouTube/video "apps" without Xbox Live Gold (ie. PAY TO WATCH YOUTUBE and FREE TO AIR TV PROGRAMS)

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Microsoft also highlighted opportunities for developers to "reuse -- by far -- most of their code" when working between WP8 and the Windows desktop, a feature Apple pioneered in the iPhone OS 2.0 when it delivered an SDK using the same tools and APIs Mac OS X developers were already familiar with. [ View article on AppleInsider ]

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

WP8 is also said to enhance its networking and data usage with tools apparently similar to those debuted for Android. The report mentioned that WP8 will "actively attempt to give Wi-Fi connections precedence, going so far as to automatically connect to carrier-owned WLANs when in range," features that iOS introduced several years ago.[ View article on AppleInsider ]

Originally Posted by timgriff84

If iOS have had this for many years when are they going to make it work! I can sit in my own home with my iPhone connected to WiFi and unless I have a data plan the phone will drain my credit in a couple of days.

Originally Posted by Firefly7475

I could laugh and make fun of you for being clueless for confusing a leaked video for Nokia partners for customers communications...

...but the truth is the only thing you did wrong was make the mistake of taking a Dillger article at face value, something I've been guilty of myself.

Read if you must,....... As above, you should always check the source on a Dillger article.

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Originally Posted by Firefly7475

The line they use is that they are competing on the "user experience", not specs.

Not surprisingly this is the same line that Apple use, and in both cases it ends up being a load of bullshit.

This "user experience" line works for Apple because they have pretty much dictated the market up until this point.

Things like apps, front facing cameras, copy & paste and multi-tasking were all seen by a lot of people as not really important... right up until Apple announced their inclusion in the latest iPhone, at which point they basically became "essential features" of a smart phone.

Depending on what is included in the iPhone "5" expect to see the same thing happen with larger screens ("the iPhone screen is the perfect size"), NFC ("NFC is useless without Apple on board"), 4G ("LTE isn't even worth it yet") and Quad-core chips ("a phone doesn't need more than a dual core!").

My point being that it doesn't really matter if the WPx "user experience" would improve with a dual-core chip (apparently they tested it, and it didn't), the fact is "dual-core" has become an "essential feature" of a smart phone because Apple are doing it now.

I suspect the truth is that Microsoft had to make a choice between bringing the Windows 8 kernel down to the phone and adding features (like multi-core) to the exiting Windows Phone 7 kernel.

You can be assured that once they are capable of releasing a dual-core Windows 8 phone they will drop the "user experience matters, not multi-core" line for "we have improved the user experience with a multi-core chip!" (regardless of the actual truth)

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

Too little too late. anybody that would even consider WP must be a total loser.

Originally Posted by eldernorm

While one should always look for multiple sources of information... DED is a very reliable source of information. Yes he says things that many fanboys do not like to hear, but I have always found him to be a very even handed writer. Met him in person in Dallas many years and a few surgeries ago.

Just a thought,
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Originally Posted by bullhead

I am not sure i would call the xbox 360 right. 50%+ failure rate (red ring of death), falling fast into third place in world wide sales, power supplies which burn down owners houses, etc... They do not call it the brick box 360 for nothing.

Originally Posted by nvidia2008

That's why I reiterate my line, iPad4 running DX10-quality 1680x1050 graphics, Unreal Engine 4 full-spec etc. will crush consoles overnight.