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Your 14-year-old daughter carries a purse?

Not the least bit surprising for any of us who have children...
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post #42 of 75
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Your 14-year-old daughter carries a purse?

I wouldn't be surprised if DaHarder has a rolling suitcase to carry around all his gadgets.

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I wouldn't be surprised if DaHarder has a rolling suitcase to carry around all his gadgets.

Actually.. I don't, and even if I did it'd be absolutely none of your business anyway.

Now how about to try to offer something constructive to the article/conversation at hand and cease with the childish/seemingly envy-laden jabs - Thanks.
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Not the least bit surprising for any of us who have children...

I have a 16-year-old grandaughter who, to my knowledge, doesn't even own a purse -- she's at school so I am awaiting response to my text).
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Actually.. I don't, and even if I did it'd be absolutely none of your business anyway.

Now how about to try to offer something constructive to the article/conversation at hand and cease with the childish/seemingly envy-laden jabs - Thanks.

1) Don't tell someone it's none of their business immediately after you tell ten, this inviting them into your business.

2) if you are going to dish it out you need to be able to take it. Don't be a hypocrit, it's poor form.

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1) Don't tell someone it's none of their business immediately after you tell ten, this inviting them into your business.

2) if you are going to dish it out you need to be able to take it. Don't be a hypocrit, it's poor form.

01) Nowhere in the post to which you so rudely responded did I once mention your screen name or address you in any way, shape or form, so it's obvious that all you were doing was butting-in and rabble-rousing via a completely unprovoked personal attack.

02 ) Personally... I'd rather you not even read or respond to any of my posts as I find this 'internet persona' you've created on AI utterly repulsive on every level (Hint: there is an IGNORE option, so feel free to use it).

So - Don't Be A Flaming Troll... It's Extremely Poor Form.
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Really?

Though the power button on the Kindle Fire is located on the bottom of the device (exactly the same size and distance as the headphone jack from the microUSB port), it protrudes from the device's edge less than one millimeter and requires a rather firm 'push' to activate.

If yours is so easily activated that merely placing "it on your lap the wrong way or just try to hold the thing in a natural way to read, it turns the device off", then something's definitely wrong with that particular device and you should have it repaired/replaced.



In the meantime, just use the device with the power button on top and the speakersa facing downward as the Kindle Fire is largely a completely blank slate (no controls/markings) on the front, so rotating it 180 degrees won't pose any usability issues whatsoever.

Anyway... Really enjoying my Kindle Fire, consider it one of the most user-friendly and value laden device I've ever owned.

Both my Kindle Fire and my Kindle Touch have this problem. And yes, I do resort to turning it upside down but the problem with that scenario is that some of my magazine subscription applications do not support 180 degree rotation.

Overall I love my Kindle Fire for what it is.
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01) Nowhere in the post to which you so rudely responded did I once mention your screen name or address you in any way, shape or form, so it's obvious that all you were doing was butting-in and rabble-rousing via a completely unprovoked personal attack.

02 ) Personally... I'd rather you not even read or respond to any of my posts as I find this 'internet persona' you've created on AI utterly repulsive on every level (Hint: there is an IGNORE option, so feel free to use it).

So - Don't Be A Flaming Troll... It's Extremely Poor Form.

1) Since I clearly addressed my comment to Mr. Applebaum you are butting in.

2) Poor guy, so upset that I read your posts but you aren't willing to put me on ignore.

3) There you go not only calling me, personally a troll but implying I'm homosexual as well. Of course, you think you are allowed as hominen attacks instead of attacking the comment. Shame on you!

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01) Nowhere in the post to which you so rudely responded did I once mention your screen name or address you in any way, shape or form, so it's obvious that all you were doing was butting-in and rabble-rousing via a completely unprovoked personal attack.

02 ) Personally... I'd rather you not even read or respond to any of my posts as I find this 'internet persona' you've created on AI utterly repulsive on every level (Hint: there is an IGNORE option, so feel free to use it).

So - Don't Be A Flaming Troll... It's Extremely Poor Form.

As far as I know there isn't any protocol in an open thread saying that people can only respond to people who have responded to them.

As far as Solipsism's internet persona. Let's pit your persona against his. Do you want to take a poll?
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Both my Kindle Fire and my Kindle Touch have this problem. And yes, I do resort to turning it upside down but the problem with that scenario is that some of my magazine subscription applications do not support 180 degree rotation.

Overall I love my Kindle Fire for what it is.

I agree it's a fine, highly portable media-consumption device, one offered at an 'unbelievable' price.

Anyway... I own every model in the Kindle generation 4 lineup and just tried to recreate this 'easily activated power button' issue in dozens of different ways, even going so far as to bounce my Kindle basic, Kindle Touch and Kindle Fire on a smooth/hard surface, with no issues. \

Additionally: Could you share which "magazine subscription applications" do not support 180 degree rotation", because all of my Amazon Kindle subscriptions rotate perfectly, as do the ones I read on my Kindle Fire via the Android Nook app I side-loaded ?

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Actually.. I don't, and even if I did it'd be absolutely none of your business anyway.

Now how about to try to offer something constructive to the article/conversation at hand and cease with the childish/seemingly envy-laden jabs - Thanks.

Someone's in a sour mood. It was a joke. Sheesh.

Do your boxers say "Mr. Serious" on them? I take that back, they're probably tighty-whities.
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Someone's in a sour mood. It was a joke. Sheesh.

Do your boxers say "Mr. Serious" on them? I take that back, they're probably tighty-whities.

Not at all... but If that's what you need to believe, though you should know the history behind my dealings with this 'character' over the last 2.5 years or so before passing judgement, especially given that he constantly trolls my posts, bullies/flames others without provocation, incites partisan bickering, et al. like it's his job or something.

Have A Nice day
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post #53 of 75
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Your 14-year-old daughter carries a purse?

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Not the least bit surprising for any of us who have children...

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I have a 16-year-old grandaughter who, to my knowledge, doesn't even own a purse -- she's at school so I am awaiting response to my text).

From my 16-year-old granddaughter's Mom...

Yes, she has an old purse that belonged to her Mom...

She thinks her daughter uses it primarily to smuggle a 35-cent bottle of water into the movies -- as opposed to spending $2 inside.

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As far as I know there isn't any protocol in an open thread saying that people can only respond to people who have responded to them.

As far as Solipsism's internet persona. Let's pit your persona against his. Do you want to take a poll?

1 Solipsism > 9 DaHarders
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1 Solipsism > 9 DaHarders

Dick Applebaum =/= Anything remotely relevant or credible to any objective discussion.
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Dick Applebaum =/= Anything remotely relevant or credible to any objective discussion.

I think this could help you:



How To Win Friends And Influence People
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From my 16-year-old granddaughter's Mom...

Yes, she has an old purse that belonged to her Mom...

She thinks her daughter uses it primarily to smuggle a 35-cent bottle of water into the movies -- as opposed to spending $2 inside.


I will let my daughter and all her friends know they are social misfits.
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So who to believe? You - or the hundreds of reviews, almost every one of which says that the Fire is vastly inferior to the iPad plus the thousands of reports from people who own them and say that the Fire is vastly inferior?

1/2 the cost nearly 1/2 the size, the Fire is inferior to the iPad, who would have thunk? I never understood why or how the Fire is considered a competitor to the iPad? For what it does, it does it very well. For what it does, it meets many peoples requirements at a great price.
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I will let my daughter and all her friends know they are social misfits.

I didn't mean that... I just find it interesting because what I observe of the current generation's dress...

It may depend on time, place and social mores...

My late wife, Lucy, was raised in a religious family in a suburb of Pittsburgh PA in the 1940s to early 1960s.

I first met Lucy when she was looking for an apartment and ran into my roommate...

It was a hot day in Pomona CA in June 0f 1963...

Lucy was wearing:
-- a business suit (coat, blouse, skirt, girdle)
-- a hat
-- white gloves
-- nylons and high heels
-- and carried a purse

That was the way a proper young lady dressed... ...maybe in the East, but unusual for California


Today, many attend church in jeans or shorts, tank tops and flip-flops... at least in California

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Dick Applebaum =/= Anything remotely relevant or credible to any objective discussion.

I often disagree with Dick on many subjects, the difference is he adds to the discussion and always gets me to rethink my position and/or research more deeply any counter argument I wish to make. Anyone who gets me to see things from a new PoV is tops in my book. I'm better for having interacted with him.

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There are price breakdowns of many products.... are they routinely challenged?

Whenever a new product is available... the guys at iFixIt and iSupply open them up and see what's inside.

If you know the parts that are in the device... it's not too hard to find out what those parts cost on the open market.

Sure... it's just an estimate... but it's in the ballpark.

Ballparks can be rather far from reality. What occurs the ball park when somebody like Amazon, or more to the point, APple, fronts up with a vast pile of money saying "yeah, we will buy your entire production run for the next year, at this cost"

Does apple pay more, pay less, or pay the 'cost estimated from an analyst.

And yes, ifixit open the product when they get it. The costing for the amazon tablet appeared before the product had shipped. That's bound to be in the ball park.

I estimate the cost of goods is somewhere between 0 and 500$, thats in the ballpark without any requirement to price.

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Hmm. Never seemed to have happened to me on my iPad 2 with magnetic cover. You have to lift the edge a bit to turn up/down the volume but that's as far as the issue goes. I have accidentally activated the lock button before but it quite rarely happens.

the volume thing happens more in games where you are pressing on the tablet, but i found it to be common while using it on an airline traytable. My kid does it all the time, to the point that he now just rips off the cover and lays it flat on the floor.
I also get the volume thing when i am holding it as a landscape book in bed, and the lock thing hiel portrait in bed. Prevented by holding it the opposite angle, but hard to see in the dark.

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post #63 of 75
Here's an interesting read...

IDK whether it makes things clearer or blurrier...

Amazon Lights the Android World on Fire
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post #64 of 75
SOT:

Here's another sign of our times:

Motorola: Act Now and We’ll Include the Previous Owner’s Personal Data on Your Refurbished Xoom Free!

It looks like Moogle is going to recall the affected Xooms to fix the problem...

Maybe they can install promised 4G on the Xooms on this cycle through the channel




Edit: Maybe Apple should consider a similar strategy to bypass Moogle's patent to push data to a mobile device -- just install it at the factory.

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Here's an interesting read...

IDK whether it makes things clearer or blurrier...

Amazon Lights the Android World on Fire

I find it hard to believe that the iPad has a little over half the tablet market... and that it's dropping fast.

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I find it hard to believe that the iPad has a little over half the tablet market... and that it's dropping fast.

Yeah! Sammy and Ammy each have 36% of the Android installs (people actually using apps).

However, what we don't know -- 36% 0f what?


Ammy apparently sold somewhere between 2 and 9 million KFCs since mid November...

Apple sold 15 million iPads in Oct-Dec 2011.

And Sammy is still shipping smooth?


So, I guess you could say that Samazon FireTabs outsell the iPads...

It would be easier to parallel park an aircraft carrier than to make sense of these numbers...


My head hurts...

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post #67 of 75
Any good marketeer will point out that for those people; you're adding value and if it doesn't cost you anything to do that; then you're ahead of the game. You're effectively locking people into an ecosystem; it's the apple strategy all over again. It's a huge success for Amazon considering they came out of nowhere.

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If 29% of Kindle Fire owners plan on spending more money at Amazon... that means 71% of Kindle Fire owners do not plan to spend any more money at Amazon.

So... was it really worth it to go through the complicated and expensive process to build the Kindle Fire and sell it at cost?

I mean... those same people might have already been Amazon customers who would have purchased things anyway.

The whole point of the Kindle Fire was to get it out there at a cheap price... basically sell it at cost... and make it up in additional sales.

Is 29% enough for the dream to become a reality?
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OK thanks for the info. Not sure why you're getting picked on so much. Anyways, like I said, my angle is I will be on the look out for the best Android devices to see if and when I need to port stuff from iPhone/iPad to Android. Working with a startup (well, re-start startup) so we'll see what 2012 brings.

I wonder when Amazon might have interactive books.

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- The size/form-factor is pretty ideal for reading/media consumption, and the device's dual-core SoC performs very well no matter the task/app.

- For me, the Kindle Fire's 'value' comes from the fact that for a device so inexpensive yet sacrifices very little in the way of build-quality, screen clarity or performance when compared with any modern tablet device, and both books and magazine subscriptions are very nicely priced.

- I use all manner of different apps, from light gaming (e;g Cut The Rope, Angry Birds, etc) to web surfing, to Netflix, to HuLu Plus, to lengthy reading sessions of both books and magazines.

- No... The Kindle Fire does not run proprietary apps, and every app that is available in the Amazon Appstore the same as the same title found in the Android App Store, as it is (in fact) an Android tablet. NOTE: I even read my NOOK app subscriptions on my Kindle Fire perfectly.

Additionally:: Yes, the all current Samsung Galaxy Tabs (8.9, 10.1, 7 plus, 7.7) run Honeycomb, and even ICS for those choose to install it.

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It's DaHarder who's posting. Dd you perchance miss that?

One of my new year's resolution was to be less anti-Samsung/Android.

I was seeking the "other side"'s opinion on significant Android devices, because especially this year I don't have time for rubbish like Engadget which seems to portray every new thing as the next big thing. And, I have to say, I don't have time for people like Paul Thurrott that seems to portray every new Windows thing as the next best thing since sliced bread. I'll take things on their merit. Or try to, anyway.
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Any good marketeer will point out that for those people; you're adding value and if it doesn't cost you anything to do that; then you're ahead of the game. You're effectively locking people into an ecosystem; it's the apple strategy all over again. It's a huge success for Amazon considering they came out of nowhere.

True, the strategy is plausible, but their margin (pun unintended) for error on this is pretty tight, I think. That said, Amazon is probably willing to ride it out for at least a year if they can become the No.2 tablet after iPad. But I'm just guessing at this stage.
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In all the time I've loved Apple products, I've never once felt the need to slam the competition to make myself feel better about my expensive Apple purchases.

Amen to that

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The site is called Apple Insider. Report on Apple news, and leave the rest to Engadget, The Verge, or Gizmodo.

Don't completely agree with this.
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One of my new year's resolution was to be less anti-Samsung/Android.

Welcome to the church of the agnostic
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02 ) Personally... I'd rather you not even read or respond to any of my posts as I find this 'internet persona' you've created on AI utterly repulsive on every level (Hint: there is an IGNORE option, so feel free to use it).

If your nonsensical rant on this matter is really how you feel, why haven't you taken your own advice and 'ignored' Solipsism?

I just don't get the ignore list. It's infantile. Who would want to blind themselves to the postings of only the people they want to see? You can't do that in the real world. You can't ignore ANYONE in the real world short of moving away from wherever you are.

You WILL take in their information (unless you want to cut your own ears off, I guess) if they're around you. The decision to ignore comes after you've taken in said information and on a conscious level. You, your sentient you-ness, is what decides to incorporate what you've heard or cast it aside. But you will have always had to hear the information first. Blinding yourself to thatas is possible on a forum such as this (as long as people don't quote ignored posts)just seems wrong.

Even if it's the polar opposite of what you believe. Even if it's someone passing off subjective views as objectivity. Even if it's something that CAN'T be the truth (only a truth) that someone's calling the truth.

I feel the same way about... what, I guess you'd call them a form of troll under our current definitions. The people like slapppy and anyone who just ignores fact and posts whatever they want... I feel the same way about this when others say that their posts shouldn't get responses. Yes, the posts are designed to be inflammatory. Douse your internal fire and just rip their posts apart intelligently, respectfully, and using the facts that they so callously ignore. I feel that just leaving their posts unchallenged gives a bad image. We have thousands of guests read the forum every day. They see a ton of slapppy posts that don't get replies, they'll believe that's the truth. Particularly since it's anti-Apple stuff on an Apple forum; they'd think by default that if it's 'allowed to be here' that it must be the truth.

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Maybe they can install promised 4G on the Xooms on this cycle through the channel

Wait, have they STILL not done that? Wasn't this several years ago now that they promised this?
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I just don't get the ignore list. It's infantile. Who would want to blind themselves to the postings of only the people they want to see? You can't do that in the real world. You can't ignore ANYONE in the real world short of moving away from wherever you are.

I don't hang out with people I detest. Do you?

I came onto this site to talk to people who want to talk Apple but at the same time I hoped there would be other people who could give an objective view of the competition.

"Apple will have a 2% share of the mobile market in a short time." is not an objective view. It's just stupid and 100% trolling... therefore ignored.

If it's obvious that somebody is blatantly trolling then they get ignored. To me never ever saying anything good about Apple is blatant trolling and therefore ignored.
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>> ... Who cares? Hate these sorts of articles on this site, as they come across as a "see, see! Teh competition totally suxxors!!"

How can someone research a product, then diss it for a lack of a feature after purchasing? Well, we all know how: rant on the 'Net.

I knew exactly what the Fire was before purchasing. I knew it was a "conduit" to Amazon purchases. That really is not a "hidden" fact. What the Fire gives me is a beautiful screen, access to email, book reading (oh, by the way - I have not gone blind yet from reading on a backlit screen ... something that I have been doing since my Palm days with no ill health effect). and access to Amazon for the largest number of book titles available at a single source. It is an amazing device for US$200.

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