Samsung Galaxy Note Super Bowl ad takes more jabs at Apple users - Page 5

Originally Posted by matrix07



Understood. I captured a pic for you then.

Originally Posted by pedromartins

it was direct at apple haters and android lovers (the same group, people like you), so they can live in the illusion that we (the ones that freely CHOOSED apple) are some sort of inferior beings.

Originally Posted by bdkennedy1

Looked kind of desperate to me.

Originally Posted by greg30127

Ok, let's clear it up...

The stylus is not "the main input method" for the Note - it's included to be used with very specific functions such as adding hand written notes to photos, a built-in drawing tool with various pressure points (like a pad for a computer), etc. The screen is the same type of touch screen as any other smart phone, and you can use your finger for ANY of the phone's functions - the stylus is just included for those who want to use it for the very specific functions if they don't want to use their fingers - like a pen tablet on a computer. I've actually tried out one of these in beta form, and it's NOT like the old PDAs... it actually works quite well and the stylus adds to the functionality... not takes away from the way you already use a smart phone. I'll also point out that the camera on it is excellent as is the front camera and the screen.

The 5.3 inch screen is what might hurt this thing in the American market, though. Most people (men, especially), don't want to carry a tablet in their pants. Once you put a bumper or skin of some sort on the Note, it becomes just too big to carry in your pants pocket. Women will have an easier time since (most) have purses or handbags, and guys who use brief cases or backpacks may like it. Pants carriers, not so much. So it's not the stylus that's going to hurt this thing - it's the size (and maybe battery life, as at least on the beta, that huge screen sucks up the battery pretty quick).

I could maybe see this being popular in places like construction job sites, Realty, etc... where hand written notes and sketches/drawings are sometimes needed.

I'm not a brand loyal person. I own an iPad and love it, but use an Android phone, and might try a Windows Phone as my next one when the next gen comes out. Apple, Android, Windows... they're all good in their own ways. I just get tired of the back and forth bashing.

Originally Posted by d-range

lol, you beat me to it

Originally Posted by tipoo

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24386...are_grows.html


"desperate".

Originally Posted by hill60

Capacitive pen = crayon, a lesson I learnt shortly after buying one for my iPhone 3G in 2008 used it for 10 minutes before realising just how useless they are.

Originally Posted by Amoled

boring, boring, boring.

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Originally Posted by Marvin

The Note pen has pressure and a sharper tip so it has advantages over a capacitive pen but the results from a capacitive pen and brush are decent enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiUuU0rkoWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaWloob8PVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3MfVM1Tuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcexLVa_JN0

It seems as though the iPad has a way it can detect pressure but Apple hadn't opened the framework for developers:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...awing-to-ipad/

Finger painting is ok too though:

http://andywyc.deviantart.com/gallery/

I think drawing on a phone, whether it's 3.5" or 5" with a stylus is not going to be something you'd want to do. Wacom would be better introducing compatibility with the Bluetooth Intuos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfsxYoVh9JM

Someone could even make a dock like the Asus Transformer but with a drawing tablet on the base.

Originally Posted by slapppy

The ad was great. Entertaining and shows the audience who is hip with technology and who is not.

Originally Posted by Mac Voyer

The best line in the commercial was also the biggest fail, and unspoken, only written. It said something to the effect: "The next big thing is already here." Directly followed by, "Coming soon."

Originally Posted by cmvsm

The larger screen is cool, but this primary stylus input is not a welcomed blast from the past. It will be looked at as an antiquated pda, I'm thinking Palm Pilot or Nintendo Dsi. How lame.

Originally Posted by Amoled

And my main point is this.

The article reads:

"....the Note utilizes a stylus as a main form of input, supplementing the finger-based scheme made popular by the original iPhone."

This is complete bullshit. I used to think this site had some legitimacy until I read this. Most reviews on the Note so far have been spectacular, the writer is just jealous of this fact and is compelled to spread lies.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz

That'd be nice. Not really interested in the current generation of Android tablets though.

Originally Posted by d-range

Well call me a fanboy, but I don't really see what's the problem with that statement, except for the fact that (as it turns out) the stylus is not the _primary_ input method for the Galaxy Note.

As much as you probably disagree, I actually think you can safely say that it was the iPhone who made finger-based touchscreens popular. That doesn't mean Apple invented capacitive touchscreens, or that it was first to market using them, but it's hard to argue that the iPhone wasn't the first massively popular device that actually made good use of finger-based touch inputs, thanks to the fact that it was running the first mobile OS that was built for finger control from the ground up. 99% of all touch screen devices sold when the iPhone was released were using resistive screens, and it took about a year before they really hit mainstream for any of the other manufacturers.

Originally Posted by mickeymantle

i watched the game and looking forward to the commercials. but when this came on, I tuned out when the guy caught the guitar. I thought it was a commercial for Guitar Center or something, and not till I saw this article, did I find out it was for Samsung. Very lame ad.

Originally Posted by Amoled

So LG Prada had a capacitive screen before iphone, Jobs stole Jeff Han's multi-touch, and lied about macbook being the thinnest laptop, but what does that have to do with the article?

Originally Posted by howyoudoin

Seriously a stylus? That's exactly what we need, because using our fingers as a stylus has been a failure lol

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Prada officially announced their single-capacitence phone before the iPhone, but looking at the level of HW and SW sophistication and how capacitence touchscrens date back to the 1960s it's clear that Apple had capacitive screens for the iPhone before the LG Prada.

Apple bought FingerWorks. if you're claiming that FingerWorks stole from Jeff Han then you should back up your slander.

The MacBook Air wasn't the thinnest notebook at the time of its release? Back that up, too.

Originally Posted by Amoled

NY Times:
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...-touch-screen/

Wired:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/01/mitsubishi-pedi/

Originally Posted by d-range

Well call me a fanboy, but I don't really see what's the problem with that statement, except for the fact that (as it turns out) the stylus is not the _primary_ input method for the Galaxy Note.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Strike 1

And strike 2.

You really want to go for strike 3?

Originally Posted by Amoled

And if you want to believe the iphone was invented in 1960, sure why not iphone came before LG Prada. Happy? Gotta go for a few hours, will be back.

Originally Posted by greg30127

Ok, let's clear it up...

The stylus is not "the main input method" for the Note - it's included to be used with very specific functions such as adding hand written notes to photos, a built-in drawing tool with various pressure points (like a pad for a computer), etc. The screen is the same type of touch screen as any other smart phone, and you can use your finger for ANY of the phone's functions - the stylus is just included for those who want to use it for the very specific functions if they don't want to use their fingers - like a pen tablet on a computer. I've actually tried out one of these in beta form, and it's NOT like the old PDAs... it actually works quite well and the stylus adds to the functionality... not takes away from the way you already use a smart phone. I'll also point out that the camera on it is excellent as is the front camera and the screen.

The 5.3 inch screen is what might hurt this thing in the American market, though. Most people (men, especially), don't want to carry a tablet in their pants. Once you put a bumper or skin of some sort on the Note, it becomes just too big to carry in your pants pocket. Women will have an easier time since (most) have purses or handbags, and guys who use brief cases or backpacks may like it. Pants carriers, not so much. So it's not the stylus that's going to hurt this thing - it's the size (and maybe battery life, as at least on the beta, that huge screen sucks up the battery pretty quick).

I could maybe see this being popular in places like construction job sites, Realty, etc... where hand written notes and sketches/drawings are sometimes needed.

I'm not a brand loyal person. I own an iPad and love it, but use an Android phone, and might try a Windows Phone as my next one when the next gen comes out. Apple, Android, Windows... they're all good in their own ways. I just get tired of the back and forth bashing.

Originally Posted by JDW

I think the anti-pen crowd (including the late Steven P Jobs) has missed the point entirely. And such is reasonable in light of the fact that Steve Jobs wasn't always right. Yes, he's right to prioritize touch. No question. But he was wrong to assume that no one would ever need or want to use a pen in those cases (however rare one wishes to argue they are) that one needs precision.

Honestly, I would love to have an iOS device that lets me focus on touch manipulation 95% of the time, but then gives me the power to use a pressure sensitive pen or paint brush to do some dazzling creative stuff. And giving me that power is by no means "bringing back the pen" or "doing something that has failed in the past." What failed in the past were devices that prioritized the pen over touch. What has made the iPad and iPhone a success was Steve Jobs insistence that TOUCH get the priority. The problem is that Steve was so adamant about touch that he refused to give thought to anyone ever wanting a pen for any reason. His sheer hatred for the pen/stylus drove him to insanity. His iOS devices are insanely great, but the insanity pertains to the parts he left out -- parts that we don't notice at first, but over time we start to desire.

The good news is that all Apple has to do to deflate Samsung's pride is just secretly add support for pressure sensitive pen devices. That would not be what Steve Jobs would have done. But then again, Steve Jobs himself wanted Apple execs to make their own decisions so Apple wouldn't become like Disney after their founder died, perpetually asking "what would Walt have done in this situation." Apple should gauge consumer demand for such features and then go for it. They have nothing to lose in doing so, and it's not like everyone will stop focusing on touch and go with a pen primarily. The pen has it's place, and it shouldn't be completely ignored.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

1) I think a lot of you are missing the point about the stylus. It's not a stylus in place of a capacitance touchscreen nor a stylus in place or your finger(s) as the main input method, it's simply a stylus with Wacom digitiser that allows for fine detail drawing and writing.

Originally Posted by Grid

That thing was too big to be a phone and too small to be a tablet. IMO. The whole thing is stupid.

Originally Posted by JDW

I think the anti-pen crowd (including the late Steven P Jobs) has missed the point entirely. And such is reasonable in light of the fact that Steve Jobs wasn't always right. Yes, he's right to prioritize touch. No question. But he was wrong to assume that no one would ever need or want to use a pen in those cases (however rare one wishes to argue they are) that one needs precision.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

I think Apple will add this because there is an intrinsic usefulness but they need to also include the digitiser in order to make it useful. Older devices with resistive touchscreens weren't capacitive (obviously) nor were designed for general use without a stylus. This is what is Jobs was talking about, not that a finger is better than a stylus in every function.

Samsung has clearly beaten Apple to market with a sensitive Wacom digitiser on a capacitance touchscreen. It'll be interesting to see a review of any cost, thickness, power usage or performance (compared to other digitisers) that the Note for including this feature.

Originally Posted by matrix07

I think Apple doesn't see the point of having Stylus for the phone. Period. (and that when Steve Yucked about Stylus (at iPhone event).

For iPad, I think Apple waiting for retina display first. Remember when you write on retina display it will be just like you write on paper. No jagged edge. When it can be lagless, and CPU & battery allows, we will see this on iPad.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Are there any Android SDK APIs for the digitiser at this point? That's the beauty of Apple, they don't simply drop in HW without any SW support to go with it. I doubt that Apple would add a digitiser without making it easy for developers to create beautiful and useful apps that can efficiently use the HW.

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

Yes sir. Android already has the API's in place.

"Full support for stylus input events, including tilt and distance axes, pressure, and related motion event properties. To help applications distinguish motion events from different sources, the platform adds distinct tool types for stylus, finger, mouse, and eraser. For improved input from multi-button pointing devices, the platform now provides distinct primary, secondary, and tertiary buttons, as well as back and forward buttons. Hover-enter and hover-exit events are also added, for improved navigation and accessibility. Developers can build on these new input features to add powerful interactions to their apps, such as precise drawing and gesturing, handwriting and shape recognition, improved mouse input, and others."

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Thanks.

That's new with version 4.0, right? But the Note comes with Android 2.3.6 so Samsung made their own or scalped that part from Android 4.0 and then added it their Note?

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

That makes sense.