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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

I think Apple doesn't see the point of having Stylus for the phone. Period. (and that when Steve Yucked about Stylus (at iPhone event).

For iPad, I think Apple waiting for retina display first. Remember when you write on retina display it will be just like you write on paper. No jagged edge. When it can be lagless, and CPU & battery allows, we will see this on iPad.

I agree 100%. Ultimate portability and a stylus don't go together. The screen is too small and you're likely to lose the stylus.

Retina iPad with digitiser stylus would definitely be awesome though. I do hope Apple have this in their pipeline. Not only would it work well as a stand-alone device, it'd make for a highly versatile computer input device.
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post #202 of 336
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

seriously, i don't understand some of you.

if the software and the stylus are well buit, with a very nice not the application that could understand when we are trying to draw figures, referentials, etc, very good for notes during classes... wouldn't it be great? all of your class appointments in one device. perfect for school.

for writting a great stylus with great hardware and software would be pretty good. fingers aren't as good, that's why we use pencils and pens. what am i missing?

No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it I never want a stylus.


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Plus, you don't tend to get new customers by insulting the very people you seek to attract.


Actually I don't think they are trying to appeal to Apple fans at all. I think Samsung is trying to speak to all those who dislike Apple and sway them to their side. In other words, they are trying to gain the other Android customers and people who still have feature phones but who have a dislike for Apple. You won't show this to Apple users and make them feel ashamed of their phone and make them switch.
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No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it I never want a stylus.

I like using styli for solving math equations. I type out equations if I have to but I can never get to the answer as fast or with the same clarity. Maybe I'm jut old and need to learn to use LaTeX style text expressions in place of way I was taught but I don't think that will happen.

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post #204 of 336
My take is that people who buy iPhones also by televisions. I don't understand how Samsung thinks that insulting 37m people, just the iPhone 4s owners, is a smart marketing move.

If I'm so dumb that I bought an iPhone, why would I dumb enough to by a Samsung TV?
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Originally Posted by hjb View Post

Yes it is huge being 5.3 inch phone, but size is not an issue if you own (from our experience) You will feel that other phones are too small.

I think this is the best smartphone currently available on earth. Apple should bring iPhone 5 sooner.


You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?

Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.

You can't argue with that logic.
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That's cute. The Mitsubishi laptop cost $6000 and was only thinner by half a hairs width when you compare it against the thick end of a MacBook Air, but instead of the MacBook Air, the casing was the same width at all edges. The MacBook Air is wedge-shaped, so not only is it much thinner on average, but it's also thinner if you measure about 1 cm or less from its thickest corner. Also, the statement that the MacBook Air was the thinnest laptop on the market was still technically correct, since this Mitsubishi laptop wasn't actually for sale anymore, when the MBA was released.

As for the 'iPhone popularized multi-touch finger touch-screens': didn't I *explicitly* mention that this statement doesn't mean Apple *invented* multi-touch, or that it was first to market with it? While the Prada may have had a capacitive touch screen (I don't see any mention of multi touch anywhere by the way), the way it used it probably sucked big time, because nobody remembers the thing anymore, and I can't say I've ever heard someone mention it as something truly new and awesome, as opposed to when the iPhone came out (which, if you try to go back in time you will realize, was widely believed to become one massive failure before it came out, by about everyone in the industry).
post #207 of 336
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?

Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.

You can't argue with that logic.

Yeah I just wear a men's medium glove and the fingers still have a bit of extra, but smalls are too small. I have absolutely no desire for a 5.3" screen on a phone. I don't need to cover the entire side of my head while I talk on the phone
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If I'm so dumb that I bought an iPhone, why would I dumb enough to by a Samsung TV?

Good point. Samsung should listen to you.
post #209 of 336
It's funny, Sammy didn't have a shot of someone holding the phone to his/her head. That would have looked ridiculous. They should have made it just a tablet and not a phone.

Plus, I'm sure Sammy would sell the stylus for $150 too as people will lose it.

In Sammy's future product line, a 6.1" Phone/tablet.
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In Sammy's future product line, a 6.1" Phone/tablet.

Samsung Galaxy Phablet.

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post #211 of 336
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

I can agree to that. The first ad was good for the fence sitters. Unnecessary for the Android fans and useless for the Apple fans.

They dragged it out for too long and the only thing that saved this commercial IMO was the deviation in the middle into the song and dance. Useless but still fun.

And yea the ads were lame. The game was awesome.

Go Giants!!

The Saints threw Mardi Gras beads from the float when they paraded. What should Giants throw from the float at the Super Bowl parade?
post #212 of 336
The focus of Samsung's commercial seems totally off. Their ads depict iPhone users who become envious of the Samsung phone and make a switch. So, the ads are clearly targeted at people who are considering or currently use an iPhone.

That said, why does Samsung feel the need to insult their target market by depicting iPhone users as lemmings who slavishly wait in lines for a phone? I've never done that; no one I know has ever done that; and I felt a bit put-off by the commercial. The ad seemed very negative, and left me thinking less of Samsung. Maybe they think this approach will help attract Droid users by using a bit of schadenfreude to contrast their product with Apple's.

Aside from depicting Samsung's users as more hip and creative than Apple's, the ad offered very few positive or compelling reasons to consider Samsung phone. Main input or not, a pen seems like a niche feature. I can't see myself whipping out a stylus to write something "cool" on my photos. Though it might be nice to have for drawing.
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post

The Saints threw Mardi Gras beads from the float when they paraded. What should Giants throw from the float at the Super Bowl parade?

No idea...I've never been to a superbowl parade...I don't really care for parades...It'd be fun to find out though. I may go this time.
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Originally Posted by mrr View Post

I actually *WANT* a Stylus!!

I am tired of doing graphics that look like finger painting when I could use a stylus!.

I am tired of having to type out notes on a tiny keyboard when I could jot down a note with with a stylus!.

Swiping is good for moving from screen to screen, but not great for graphics or text entry.


Agreed. I don't understand all the non-Apple haters here. Why diss the stylus? Anyhow Apple hasn't totally given up the ideas of incorporating a stylus. They have numerous stylus patents, for example like this one for Heated Stylus. There are also rumors that Apple might launch a stylus for education or for iOS Aperture.
post #215 of 336
That was hilarious.

Great job Samsung.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The next step for them is to copy Apple's voice recognition... by basing it on the handwriting wreckognition of the Newton family.

Sorry but Samsung came out with voice recognition first, in both feature phone AND smartphone.


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Horrible Ad.
That Phone is too big.


Bigger real estate is much appreciated if your primarily using the phone as a data consumption device rather than as a voice calling phone.

Try looking at spreadsheets on a 3.5" screen. No thank you. You have to shave your eyes (using Steve Job's reference) in order to read the thing.

You know what they say about people with small hands...



You people should be surprised of how useful a stylus is in the business setting and educational setting.

Soon, Samsung will be introducing a Galaxy Tab with an active WACOM enabled digitized stylus. That should expand its adoption inside the classroom tremendously. I sure hope they've patented it though before Big Bad Bully Apple (BBBA) comes knocking on their doors for a piece.

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post #216 of 336
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Question to those dissing the actual device. Have you used it?

I kind of did. It belongs to my family's doctor who works with writing pads and table charts on daily basis. So of course people like him are trained on stylus from Medical schools, while most of Starbuck Brigades on this board don't.

Hey, how many of you are ready to admit that your first smart phone was iPhone and never touch or try PDA before? Remember how BB junkies refused to let go of keypads for touchscreen?

Just think of it as a 5-inch Galaxy phone and not a shrunken Tab. All the good stuff are there; fast web browsing, all necessary apps come out of the box, including WhatsApp, SimSimi, BlueSquare and what have you. Phone calls can be done with a speaker and no need to pick it up to your ear. No free bluetooth headset in the box but shops will throw you one free here. Front and back camera ith auto focus on the back one. No SD slot thugh. And the stylus are really work as they advertised. So far I only find it useful for photo editing app. Might be more soon.

(Did I mentioned 80% of Asian men carry man-bag now?)

greg30721 said size will the the issue. I said price. ฿18900 for a top-spec Galaxy phone, Sii. ฿19000 for iPad 2 but scalpers and gray importers will sell you one for ฿17000 before haggling. The Note is ฿22000.

Especially when you don't have cheap imports to help move units while gray-market import iPad come flooding in from Hong Kong and Mainland on weekly basis.

They said 40% of iProducts sold in the U.S. are being packed in suitcases, carried by contraband mules, flew to Hong Kong and put on shelves all over Far East from Beijing to Jakarta within two days. I stated to believe that.
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Originally Posted by majjo View Post

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Wrt to the commerical, I feel that samsung missed the point. You want to attack the iphone, not its users because those are you potential constomers. If they want to attack the iphone, I think something like the og droid commerical works a lot better.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83UQ...e_gdata_player

How did Samsung miss the point, when their ad managed to incite a discussion on a competitor's fan site with more than 200 posts, perhaps at 5 times the average commenting rate? It was noticed, to say the least.

Also, nobody is attacking any users, because no potential buyers will identify themselves with a bunch of sorry losers whose time is so cheap that they spend it waiting in line for stuff they could just as well buy online. It is quite unfair to iPhone users to equate them to the squatters from Samsung's commercial just because there have been lines in front of Apple stores. There may have been a few thousand scalpers waiting during major releases, but the majority of Apple's many millions of customers were not among them.
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

They're right about one thing in that commercial: "The Next Big Thing is Already Here." That thing is frigging huge.

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "the next big thing is already here" is referring to a product that will be released in two weeks?
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "the next big thing is already here" is referring to a product that will be released in two weeks?

In the US
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The focus of Samsung's commercial seems totally off. Their ads depict iPhone users who become envious of the Samsung phone and make a switch. So, the ads are clearly targeted at people who are considering or currently use an iPhone.
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They better depict unicorns if they wanna make it more realistic!
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post #221 of 336
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "the next big thing is already here" is referring to a product that will be released in two weeks?

Yes.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy.../dp/B0061YRDX6
post #222 of 336
The Galaxy Note will outlast any phone out on the market in terms of battery life.

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The Galaxy Note will outlast any phone out on the market in terms of battery life.

Of course it will. When you give absolutely no consideration to the size of your device, it's easy to make a battery large enough to last longer than any other.
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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

It's funny, Sammy didn't have a shot of someone holding the phone to his/her head. That would have looked ridiculous. They should have made it just a tablet and not a phone.

One girl walked into my class the other day talking on one of these and I had to do a double take because it was half as big as her head and too huge for a girl to be holding. The way she was holding it was really awkward because instead of holding it in her palm and gripping with her fingers, she held it from the bottom with her four fingers supporting the back and her thumb gripping the front, sort of like how you would hold a small book up to read.
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Sorry but Samsung came out with voice recognition first, in both feature phone AND smartphone.

1) Samsung did not the first VoRec. They might have had it before Apple but that's not the same thing as being first.

2) Being first and being good are not the same thing. Apple's Siri is the first intelligent software assistant a that does a good job of integrating with the OS, apps, a server backend, 3rd-party systems, with VoRec (Nuance) and natural language UI (original Siri software). I'm not familiar with Samsung having all these things as well as Apple.

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post #226 of 336
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

It has a stylus? Like my PalmPilot? How nostalgic!

Don't be juvenile. Have you actually read any of the previous posts?

The stylus is a multi-pressure point stylus for specific apps that come with the Note, or, it can be used in place of your finger in the other regular apps should you want to use it. At CES they had character and architectural artists using the stylus to do renderings of people and buildings, and they can get a large amount of brush strokes out of it, pressure points, etc... basically it's like a pen tablet for a computer, and the results were very good. It is not like a Palm Pilot.

The Note will appeal to a niche audience that have a specific need for something with a good ability to draw/note on the screen. Construction, Realty, Artists, etc. It's not going to be for everyone. If anything, the 5.3" screen and so-so battery life will cause people to shy away from it much more than the stylus, which once again, never even has to be used if you don't want it.

For the record, I know people who use bluetooth keyboard to enter texts on their iPhones when they're at home, too. OMG... bluetooth... how 2008!
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

In the US

Which is where the Super Bowl and this commercial were focused. So it could really help for the product to be, you know, AVAILABLE if they say it's here now. Most people are not going to import it from other countries just to use it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note

"Galaxy Notes will be available in the US February 19, 2012 from AT&T."

The amazon link you provided is for the unlocked version sold thru amazon by another group.



As an aside about the stylus, I could see a stylus being useful on the iPad for occasional specific uses, like turning knobs in synthesizers, but that is b/c some of them feel a bit unresponsive to the fingertip mashing down. There are people who make specialized styluses (stylii?) for that purpose, but it hardly needs to be included with every iPad. If it suits your specific needs, buy and use one. If not, no biggie. Can these apps on the Note that the stylus is included for be used w/a finger as well or are they stylus only?
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Originally Posted by greg30127 View Post

...basically it's like a pen tablet for a computer...

But in your hand, so... a Palm Pilot, then.

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The Note will appeal to a niche audience that have a specific need for something with a good ability to draw/note on the screen. Construction, Realty, Artists, etc. It's not going to be for everyone.

Then maybe Samsung shouldn't have shown a commercial with EVERYONE having one. They probably should have shown architects, realtors, and artists using this monstrosity if that was their intended audience like you've said instead of every man on the street using it to circle people in photographs and write "Dude!" beside the circle as though we couldn't figure out the context of the image and its intended message on our own.

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For the record, I know people who use bluetooth keyboard to enter texts on their iPhones when they're at home, too. OMG... bluetooth... how 2008!

What does this have to do with anything?
post #230 of 336
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Whoops. Something strange happened here. It overwrote my original comment...

Anyway, the best line in the thing was, "Whoa, it has a pen?"

Steve Jobs was right. "Who wants a stylus?" No one. People want pens.

Your comment is an nothing more than a logical fallacy of Common Practice. You are simply incorrect. I would LOVE to have true stylus input using the equivalent of a Wacom stylus. Would I use it all the time? No. But I would use it for inputting Japanese kana and kanji as well as mathematical formulas. Don't forget using it to input written notes.

Of course all of those uses I mentioned above would require true handwriting recognition similar to what is found in Windows 7 and not found in iOS or OS X (the reason I still use Windows 7 alongside OS X).

People state that no one would use stylus input...that statement is based on either a lie or misinformation.
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Originally Posted by capoeira4u View Post

One girl walked into my class the other day talking on one of these and I had to do a double take because it was half as big as her head and too huge for a girl to be holding. The way she was holding it was really awkward because instead of holding it in her palm and gripping with her fingers, she held it from the bottom with her four fingers supporting the back and her thumb gripping the front, sort of like how you would hold a small book up to read.

The Note isn't available yet. She was most likely holding the Samsung Galaxy "Player". It's very similar looking to the Note, but it's about twice as thick as the Note is going to be.
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note

"Galaxy Notes will be available in the US February 19, 2012 from AT&T."

The amazon link you provided is for the unlocked version sold thru amazon by another group.

...

I know. It's here, AT&T backwardness notwithstanding. It's been available in Europe for months now, too.
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

People state that no one would use stylus input...that statement is based on either a lie or misinformation.

IT'S A PHONE. If people wanted styli, the second iPhone would have come with one. Every other phone on the planet would be shipping with one. If people wanted styli, people would actually be USING them, since they continue to exist for modern devices.

They don't. Wonder why.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?

Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.

You can't argue with that logic.

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IT'S A PHONE. If people wanted styli, the second iPhone would have come with one. Every other phone on the planet would be shipping with one. If people wanted styli, people would actually be USING them, since they continue to exist for modern devices.

They don't. Wonder why.

Does it sting when your sincere comment is preempted by a Poe?

I like this "ZZZ I am", kind of reminds me of ConradJoe, who used to drive a good parody around here...
post #235 of 336
The strange reaction to this phone is really odd.

Just because you don't need a stylus on a phone, doesn't mean there's no one out there who wouldn't like to have one, and it doesn't mean it's a stupid device to make available in a lineup. I personally know several people who use iPhones who almost never actually make voice calls on them, but instead simply use them for texting and apps... should I go up to them and say, "It's a PHONE!" (?).

I don't have a specific need for the Samsung Note. I won't be buying one. But I'm not going to trash it just because I don't need it. Others will want one or even need the specific features it has to offer. More power to them. Variety is good.
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Originally Posted by KPOM View Post

As someone who owns an iPhone 4S but doesn't harbor the late Steve Jobs' ill will toward Android (I bought a Nexus One in January 2010 and still have it), the Samsung ad fell flat to me. A stylus isn't that attractive. Plus, you don't tend to get new customers by insulting the very people you seek to attract.

I've heard comparisons to the Mac vs. PC commercials, but I disagree. The Mac vs. PC ads were comparing the two PRODUCTS, not customers. It was telling Windows CUSTOMERS that it was OK to like the Mac. The Samsung ads are essentially telling Apple customers that they are idiots, which doesn't tend to endear them to people. Rightly or wrongly, most people don't like being told they are fanboys or idiots.

I completely agree with this sentiment. If/when I ever decide to jump the Apple ship to another phone manufacturer, it will NOT be Samsung; in fact, I bought a blue-ray player last weekend and specifically avoided the Samsung model.
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Originally Posted by greg30127 View Post

Just because you don't need a stylus on a phone, doesn't mean there's no one out there who wouldn't like to have one, and it doesn't mean it's a stupid device to make available in a lineup. I personally know several people who use iPhones who almost never actually make voice calls on them, but instead simply use them for texting and apps... should I go up to them and say, "It's a PHONE!" (?).

I don't have a specific need for the Samsung Note. I won't be buying one. But I'm not going to trash it just because I don't need it. Others will want one or even need the specific features it has to offer. More power to them. Variety is good.

I agree with your overall point but that first sentence (bolded) isn't a valid argument. Surely there are fringe cases for usages that would seem crazy if added. I do think there is a large market for a proper digitiser on a capacitance touchscreen.

Surely we'll hear a lot of people pooh-poohing Jobs and Apple if they add this to the upcoming iPad but this is something that wasn't even an option until recently and it still won't be the primary method for input, which is more inline with Jobs comment. Anyone that argues differently will need to show that Jobs thinks people can paint just as effectively, if not better, with their fingers on a capacitance touchscreen than on a touchscreen with a digitiser and stylus. Jobs never said nor implied such a comment and it's ridiculous to think that he felt that way.

As previously pointed out this wouldn't make as much sense on the iPhone than on the iPad and wouldn't be very useful on the iPad with a 132 PPI. For these reasons I wouldn't be surprised to see a digitiser on the iPad 3 with the proper iOS APIs to go along with it. Will Samsung have beaten Apple to market with a capacitence touchscreen + digitiser the way LG beat the iPhone to market with the Prada with a capacitance touchscreen? Sure, but a 12.62"sq display v. a 45.19"sq display should make the iPad significantly better for the majority — and that's without considering Apple's level of refinement for these tasks — the way the iPhone's multi-touch capacitance touchscreen, OS and UI where worlds apart from the Prada with the single-touch capacitance touchscreen, and poor OS and UI.

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Does it sting when your sincere comment is preempted by a Poe?

No, it just shows how horribly, horribly wrong the idea itself i.

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I like this "ZZZ I am", kind of reminds me of ConradJoe, who used to drive a good parody around here...

He IS ConradJoe. He made a new account.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

seriously, i don't understand some of you.

if the software and the stylus are well buit, with a very nice not the application that could understand when we are trying to draw figures, referentials, etc, very good for notes during classes... wouldn't it be great? all of your class appointments in one device. perfect for school.

for writting a great stylus with great hardware and software would be pretty good. fingers aren't as good, that's why we use pencils and pens. what am i missing?

Maybe you don't realize the folly of selling people on a stylus on a tablet like it is something new, when they are already available as options for the iPad and other Android tablets. You can find tons of stylus options for both platforms. It was a really stupid selling point by Samsung is my point.
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Will apple retaliate with its own ad mocking Samsung

Why? As others have noted (no pun intended) this ad (and the other Samsung ads) are not mocking Apple Inc. nor its products. They are mocking iPhone users.
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