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2/6/12 at 9:25am
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Maybe you don't realize the folly of selling people on a stylus on a tablet like it is something new, when they are already available as options for the iPad and other Android tablets. You can find tons of stylus options for both platforms. It was a really stupid selling point by Samsung is my point.

Not all styli are created equal. The ones you're talking about are more pointed than ones finger but they are still capacitance-based which makes them much less sensitive than styli for digitisers. They also have no controls or HW features in the stylus the way the Galaxy Note does. For example, it can register pressure to mimic how a pen, pencil or even a paintbrush changes the ink's output based on the pressure being applied.

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2/6/12 at 9:36am
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post #243 of 336
2/6/12 at 10:01am
Love it. Hilarious! Far better than the smug, preachy Apple adverts!
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2/6/12 at 10:04am
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Love it. Hilarious! Far better than the smug, preachy Apple adverts!

Insulting customers is better than insulting other companies? Okay.
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2/6/12 at 10:34am
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2/6/12 at 10:55am
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Too bad they didn't show anyone holding this phone to their ear. This thing is ridiculously huge at 5.3".. what's next?! 10" smartphone?! and a stylus?

The funny thing is, this past Friday on ABC's "Live With Kelly Ripa" I believe it was the NOTE they reviewed briefly in the show. One of the co hosts put it up to their ear and it looked so grossly huge! Then Kelly mocked it by grabbing her iPad and placing it to her ear too! It was funny.
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post #247 of 336
2/6/12 at 11:07am
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No, it just shows how horribly, horribly wrong the idea itself i.

No, it's a brilliant illustration how good a parody can be. If anyone could predict what I would say, I'd stop posting and close my account, but that's just me.

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Insulting customers is better than insulting other companies? Okay.

I just watched the ad again, and I didn't notice any direct references to Apple or insults to customers. AI and many posters seem to be assuming things about this ad based on previous Samsung ads, while forgetting that the Super Bowl ads are seen by many who are unaware of Samsung's earlier marketing efforts.
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post #248 of 336
2/6/12 at 11:11am
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No, it's a brilliant illustration how good a parody can be. If anyone could predict what I would say, I'd stop posting and close my account, but that's just me.

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I just watched the ad again, and I didn't notice any direct references to Apple or insults to customers. AI and many posters seem to be assuming things about this ad based on previous Samsung ads, while forgetting that the Super Bowl ads are seen by many who are unaware of Samsung's earlier marketing efforts.

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post #249 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by bongo View Post

How short sighted. They are trying to build a brand, like Apple did a while back.

And to all the folks who have nothing but bad things to say about it, I have the Note. Its an awesome phone, all my iphone buddies want it, love it, always ask for it and want to use my phone now that they are tired of Siri. And yes, before the obvious jokes start, it fits in my jeans. I dont wear skinny jeans:-s

And just use what you like. Without actually even having seen it, let alone used it, lots of flamers up here. I love my phone, you love yours. Both iphones and Sammy's are excellent pieces of tech. All android and Apple fanboys, its getting pretty annoying now. Dont want to use it, keep your big sized fonts at home. Scream at yourself in the mirror.

Ok, besides sounding like an obvious Samsung-paid "social media shill", your personal anecdote about your "iPhone buddies" sounds fishy. Because it's not just your imaginary fanboys who think this product is stupid. This was the reaction from the web: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...ones/232600302

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2/6/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by rosstheboss View Post

Love it. Hilarious! Far better than the smug, preachy Apple adverts!

Most people with a healthy self-esteem can handle the smug, preachy Apple ads
Better for you to stay away from them.

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post #251 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:12pm
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I just watched the ad again, and I didn't notice any direct references to Apple or insults to customers. AI and many posters seem to be assuming things about this ad based on previous Samsung ads, while forgetting that the Super Bowl ads are seen by many who are unaware of Samsung's earlier marketing efforts.

So Samsung didn't mention Apple or the iPhone yet you don't see how that was heavily referenced in the ad or that the ad wasn't attacking Apple or its products but it's lame customers who will wait in line for a clearly inferior product?¡

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post #252 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:26pm
7 pages of hatred, Samsung really got some twisted up.
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post #253 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:31pm
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7 pages of hatred, Samsung really got some twisted up.

You read all the comments and yet think they all spout a hatred for Samsung.

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post #254 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:32pm
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What instruments and how?

They didn't mention directly connecting to ipad when I saw them on TV.

iRig... I use my iphone and ipad all the time for recording. Educate yourself...
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post #255 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:34pm
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You read all the comments and yet think they all spout a hated for Samsung.

Case in point.
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post #256 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:37pm
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Case in point.

Interesting. Where in my comment did I mention I hated Samsung or any of their products? The most you can infer is that I hate your ignorant comment... and you'd be right.

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post #257 of 336
2/6/12 at 12:56pm
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All right, you two.

Guy whose name contains a curse so I have an aversion to typing it, your original comment here made absolutely no sense, nor did your first rebuttal, hence people's replies to it in the negative.

SolipsisimX, your response to his third comment is where you should have stopped, probably. He's obviously doing this on purpose.
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post #258 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:01pm
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All right, you two.

Guy whose name contains a curse so I have an aversion to typing it, your original comment here made absolutely no sense, nor did your first rebuttal, hence people's replies to it in the negative.

SolipsisimX, your response to his third comment is where you should have stopped, probably. He's obviously doing this on purpose.

1st Only person replying is Solipsisim not people, 2nd, my original comment makes perfect sense, read through the threads and a very large majority is hatred over Samsung and the commercial, count them. It is amazing how people can get so twisted up over a commercial, is it because it hits home and actually IS referring to them? Is it because it makes fun of a product they purchased? Who knows but it is still sad that it can produce such hatred considering it is an TV ad, A TV AD!
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post #259 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

One of those 2 guys is obviously only here to stir up trouble. I have absolutely no idea why the mods at AI let it continue.

Having an opinion other than yours is not stiring up trouble, that is why AI allows it to continue and why you will never be a MOD. IF this was a forum where everyone high fived and patted each other on the back, what would it gain? What would be the point? What fun would it be?

"Hey your awesome", "No, your awesome", "na, you are AWESOME". Kind of boring.
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post #260 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I doubt he'll see it that way. He never comments on the article or debates the content of the article with other posters, instead he attacks the posters never adding to the discussion.

edit: And there you go.

As was mentioned to me by a few of the other members... you can disagree with people's comments, but that doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.

Boy, those Super Bowl ads sure get people's attention. Most, if not all, of them will never meet the standard set by Apple in 1984.
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post #261 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:13pm
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iRig... I use my iphone and ipad all the time for recording. Educate yourself...

Amoled got banned for obvious reasons, but just to help educate more people:

Amp and effects simulators once you hook your guitar up:
Amplitube iRig
Peavey Ampkit

Instruments that you can control once you hook your synth up to the iPad:
Moog Animoog
Korg iMS-20

I don't even know the names of all the various DAWs that are available on the iPad (altho Garageband does this for $5), but you can hookup instruments using the camera USB connection, a specialized controller input like the link available with iRig or Ampkit in stores (microphones too!), you can buy an Alesis I/O Dock or some of its new competitors that got announced at NAMM 2012. Heck there are entire mixing desks that utilize the iPad as their screen and recording area now.

The only Android related product I saw from NAMM 2012 was an app designed to let you follow along on tabs. Shit, I was already doing that on an iPad or for that matter on any web browser for the last 18 years Android has serious latency deficiencies and this is why you never hear much about realtime music production that is being done on Android, b/c none is.
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post #262 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

Phones are not for making music. I don't care who you are. They're toys when it comes to making music.

Yeah, that's just crazy. Next people will be using Tablets instead of "PCs"!
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post #263 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:19pm
Hellacool has been given some infraction points for trolling, taking his total to 5 (= 3 day ban). Lots of off-topic back-and-forth between him and SolipsismX has been deleted.

Anyway, back on topic: how likely do we think it is that the iPad 3 will have digitiser stylus support? Whilst I really think it should, sadly I'd put it at less than 10% probability. Hope I'm wrong
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post #264 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

The input is not primarily by stylus. It's an error in the article, inadvertant I'm sure.

EDIT: AI has edited and re-worded the article this morning, now saying the stylus is a main form of input rather than primary.

Still the stylus is not a main form of input. It is a great extra tool that is realy useful in everyday life.
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post #265 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:26pm
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Anyway, back on topic: how likely do we think it is that the iPad 3 will have digitiser stylus support? Whilst I really think it should, sadly I'd put it at less than 10% probability. Hope I'm wrong

I think the only mention of anything related to styluses at either a 6th iPhone or iPad 3 launch will be a jab at Samsung for going in the opposite way of the entire industry, if even that.

A neat little feature in iOS 6 would be allowing third parties more control over the appearance of their app's icon.

Apple has the Calendar app that changes every single day. Why shouldn't there be a weather app that displays the current temperature and a background color that reflects the precipitation? Heck, you could even fit a proper cloud, sun, snowflake, raindrop, or lightning bolt on there behind the temperature.

Or a stocks app that shows share prices. Simple stuff that everyone should be allowed to do.

And that would be Apple's answer to "widgets" (whatever that really means on Android...), period.
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post #266 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:27pm
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Because it's not just your imaginary fanboys who think this product is stupid. This was the reaction from the web: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...ones/232600302

The ad is a massive fail. It implies that the stylus is the only form of user input when it's merely an additional option for times when precision is required.
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post #267 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:30pm
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I think the only mention of anything related to styluses at either a 6th iPhone or iPad 3 launch will be a jab at Samsung for going in the opposite way of the entire industry, if even that.

You're serious that you think that digitising styli have no redeeming features? Do you deny that they offer more precision (finer tip + pressure sensitivity) than a finger or capacitive pen? Do you understand that no-one here who thinks a stylus on the iPad would be a good idea is suggesting that it should be the primary form of input?

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A neat little feature in iOS 6 would be allowing third parties more control over the appearance of their app's icon.

Apple has the Calendar app that changes every single day. Why shouldn't there be a weather app that displays the current temperature and a background color that reflects the precipitation? Heck, you could even fit a proper cloud, sun, snowflake, raindrop, or lightning bolt on there behind the temperature.

Or a stocks app that shows share prices. Simple stuff that everyone should be allowed to do.

And that would be Apple's answer to "widgets" (whatever that really means on Android...), period.

Yes, that would be nice. But what's that got to do with styli?
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post #268 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

There is quite an active market for capacative styluses around. My wife has a couple. Quite handy for note taking on the ipad, when the finger is a big fat sausage in comparison.

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Your wife has fingers like big fat sausages? Someone is sleeping on the couch tonight.

Well...

Who would want to share a bed with a large-headed woman with ham fists and sausage fingers?
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post #269 of 336
2/6/12 at 1:34pm
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I think the only mention of anything related to styluses at either a 6th iPhone or iPad 3 launch will be a jab at Samsung for going in the opposite way of the entire industry, if even that.

A neat little feature in iOS 6 would be allowing third parties more control over the appearance of their app's icon.

Apple has the Calendar app that changes every single day. Why shouldn't there be a weather app that displays the current temperature and a background color that reflects the precipitation? Heck, you could even fit a proper cloud, sun, snowflake, raindrop, or lightning bolt on there behind the temperature.

Or a stocks app that shows share prices. Simple stuff that everyone should be allowed to do.

And that would be Apple's answer to "widgets" (whatever that really means on Android...), period.

That would be nice but I don't think Apple would be quick to move on that. It wasn't until iOS 5 that the calendar app got automatic location updating via the GPS, yet the GPS chip came in the 2nd gen iPhone.


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The ad is a massive fail. It implies that the stylus is the only form of user input when it's merely an additional option for times when precision is required.

It's a well produced and fun ad but it does make it seem like it requires a stylus to use. I wonder what percentage of people who saw that ad realise that a stylus is not required for use?

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2/6/12 at 1:44pm
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You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?

Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.

You can't argue with that logic.

You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.

Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.

Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.
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2/6/12 at 1:44pm
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You're serious that you think that digitising styli have no redeeming features? Do you deny that they offer more precision (finer tip + pressure sensitivity) than a finger or capacitive pen? Do you understand that no-one here who thinks a stylus on the iPad would be a good idea is suggesting that it should be the primary form of input?

Oh, no, I'm not saying that. I just don't see Apple embracing or acknowledging them at all, given Steve's position.

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Yes, that would be nice. But what's that got to do with styli?

Well, nothing. I just had the thought for some reason while going through this thread... Oh, I was looking at this story at the same time and thought that there MUST be a better way to do it.
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2/6/12 at 1:56pm
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You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.

Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.

Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.

It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.

I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.

As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.

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2/6/12 at 2:11pm
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So Samsung didn't mention Apple or the iPhone yet you don't see how that was heavily referenced in the ad or that the ad wasn't attacking Apple or its products but it's lame customers who will wait in line for a clearly inferior product?¡

It wasn't attacking anyone. Which part was an attack, really?

As to the lame consumers, the only thing lamer than what they did would be consciously self-identifying with them. No product deserves wasting your time to wait in line, unless your time is really cheap (which makes one automatically a loser).
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2/6/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

No product deserves wasting your time to wait in line, unless your time is really cheap (which makes one automatically a loser).

For many, "waiting in line" is a fun social event.

I can understand why that would confuse and puzzle you...
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2/6/12 at 2:14pm
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For many, "waiting in line" is a fun social event.

I can understand why that would confuse and puzzle you...

It does not confuse me, it disgusts me.
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2/6/12 at 2:25pm
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.

But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.

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2/6/12 at 2:27pm
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The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.

But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.

Undignified is Samsung's corporate MO.
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2/6/12 at 2:30pm
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It does not confuse me, it disgusts me.

It disgusts you that humans line up? Are you equally disgusted lining up at th grocery checkout, to get on an airplane, or that planes line up on a runway so they all don't land or take off at the same time? How else do you except companies with a finite number of supply sold by a finite number of associates in a finite space? Sure, I can see the beneot of time and space not existing but they do and until otherwise discovered we are tied to them.

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2/6/12 at 2:32pm
Go ahead and insult the very people that you're trying to win over as customers...Real smart Samsung. If they think that this is a good strategy, they're insane.

It could be that they're angle is to get other non-Apple on their ship, but insulting ANY potential customer is a very bad idea. Their head-of-marketing should be sacked.
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2/6/12 at 2:33pm
Why? Because of all the sites talking about ads, this one is not mentioned, except in passing and then in a negative fashion.

If it was really bad and memorable, people would be talking about it, just as if it was good and memorable.

This one is neither, and only those paying close attention (because they knew it was coming) have anything to say about it.

It was an utter failure.
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