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Apple's third-generation iPad is expected by one market watcher to soon arrive during an advantageous "window of opportunity," in which competitors have nothing significant to offer, that will further increase the company's lead in the mobile computing market.

Analyst Chris Whitmore with Deutsche Bank said in a note to investors on Monday that the line between tablets and notebook computers is rapidly blurring as devices like the iPad become more powerful. He noted that uses for the iPad have rapidly expanded to include textbooks, medical diagnostic tools, and pilot flight bags.

With a third-generation iPad expected to arrive in March, Whitmore sees Apple announcing a new model with a high-resolution display, a quad-core CPU, graphics performance four to five times faster than the iPad 2, and Siri voice control. Additional power in the so-called "iPad 3" will only expand the potential uses for the device and leave competitors further in the dust, the analyst believes.

"With other tablet vendors in disarray (shifting from Android to Win8), we expect the iPad 3 introduction to drive additional share gains in the mobile computer market," he said.

Estimates from Deutsche Bank, combined with data from IDC, suggest that Apple currently has a 25 percent share of the combined notebook and tablet market. The next closest competitor is HP, which had a 12 percent combined total in the fourth quarter of calendar 2011, followed by Lenovo and Acer, both with 10 percent.

Whitmore said none of the iPad competitors introduced in the last 12 months have come close to the iPad, as most of the products have been "me-too" offerings with little differentiation with one another. He believes the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Asus's Transformer Prime are "more relevant" products as iPad competitors than Amazon's Kindle Fire.




But as Android-based iPad competitors have fallen short, Whitmore believes many device makers are shifting away from Android and are now looking toward the launch of Windows 8, which will feature support for low-power ARM chips found in tablets. But with a three-year head start and about 170,000 applications already available for the iPad, he doesn't see Microsoft's Windows 8 catching up in tablets anytime soon.

"Win8 based hardware is unlikely to ramp in earnest until 2013," he wrote. "This leaves the window wide open for Apple to extend its lead in the market and drive substantial growth and profits going forward."

Deutsche Bank sees "phenomenal product momentum" from Apple going forward, particularly with the iPhone and iPad, driving healthy growth into 2013. The investment firm has reiterated its "buy" rating for AAPL stock with a price target of $600.

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"shifting from Android to Win8"
Yeah, right!

I can't really understand people who complained about Microsoft's monopoly for decades now pretending "Linux's tablet share is falling, replaced by Windows". Huh?!

Also... childish, but: first!

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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?
post #4 of 53
So the cliff notes version of all that:

"People will buy the iPad 3 when it is released".

Ok....

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"shifting from Android to Win8"
Yeah, right!

I can't really understand people who complained about Microsoft's monopoly for decades now pretending "Linux's tablet share is falling, replaced by Windows". Huh?!

Also... childish, but: first!

Are there Linux Tablets? Never heard of them.
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Nothing significant? 7" kindle eating up the bottom market share (no discussion if it's even the same market), and quad core 1920x1200 tablets showing up. ICS unifying smartphone and tablet android OS.

You might says apple beats them on quality/usability or whatever, but there's a lot going on that's quite significant.

Oh wait, another news article based on the opinion of an analyst....
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Still lumping in notebooks and tablets I see.

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Are there Linux Tablets? Never heard of them.

As Android is linux based, and runs a linux kernel, you might call all android tablet, linux tablets.
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Still lumping in notebooks and tablets I see.

Prepare to be bashed. Everyone will tell you that it's just as good ( it isn't) and can run all the same programs (it can't).

Until it can run a full version of FileMaker, office (or numbers in landscape!), and a real photo editing program (Instagram doesn't count)- it isn't in the same discussion as a laptop.

Hell- even a netbook can run FileMaker and photoshop elements (which is better than anything the iPad has to offer).

I have an iPad- but I don't pretend it's something it's not. (before you start- yes, it eats into laptop market share- big time. Yes- it's a pc, but should be in its own category)

Flame on....

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Nothing significant? 7" kindle eating up the bottom market share (no discussion if it's even the same market), and quad core 1920x1200 tablets showing up. ICS unifying smartphone and tablet android OS.

You might says apple beats them on quality/usability or whatever, but there's a lot going on that's quite significant.

Oh wait, another news article based on the opinion of an analyst....

That chart only shows ~62-63% of market share combined. That did stand out to me....

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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

You must be joking, when you say the iP4S is not high end. How much higher must an end be. Particularly if you mention the screen resolution, which is still miles away from anything else in the field. \
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iPad 2 sold in preparation.
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As Android is linux based, and runs a linux kernel, you might call all android tablet, linux tablets.

OK, one might look at it this way.
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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

No offense but your argument is full of TROLL-NESS.
Once you start on that bells and whistles narrative you start to, IMHO, degrade the product.
The iPhone doesn't need all that BS. Just take a lot at Apple financial results from last quarter.
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That graph looks to be inaccurate. Sebastian Peitsch did a different graph that shows a still impressive but more accruate graph of Apple's success.

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Prepare to be bashed. Everyone will tell you that it's just as good ( it isn't) and can run all the same programs (it can't).

Until it can run a full version of FileMaker, office (or numbers in landscape!), and a real photo editing program (Instagram doesn't count)- it isn't in the same discussion as a laptop.

Hell- even a netbook can run FileMaker and photoshop elements (which is better than anything the iPad has to offer).

I have an iPad- but I don't pretend it's something it's not. (before you start- yes, it eats into laptop market share- big time. Yes- it's a pc, but should be in its own category)

Flame on....



That chart only shows ~62-63% of market share combined. That did stand out to me....

You have an iPad and you don't know that Number can run in landscape?
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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

You're probably trolling since the iPhone 4S is a high-end phone by any standards but here's a challenge: show me a single Android game that looks better than the games I can get on the iPhone. All these tech specs are worthless without software that takes advantage of them.
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Hell- even a netbook can run FileMaker and photoshop elements (which is better than anything the iPad has to offer).

Having every program for an OS platform as the definition of a PC means that no platform is a PC.

2) I remember my first netbook couldn't even play Hulu at 480p without stuttering. Even at 360p there was an occasional stutter and it ran the battery down in a little over an hour.

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That chart only shows ~62-63% of market share combined. That did stand out to me....

The chart also only shows major PC vendors, not the innumerable little players which should account for the discrepancy.

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Nothing significant? 7" kindle eating up the bottom market share (no discussion if it's even the same market), and quad core 1920x1200 tablets showing up. ICS unifying smartphone and tablet android OS.

You might says apple beats them on quality/usability or whatever, but there's a lot going on that's quite significant.

Oh wait, another news article based on the opinion of an analyst....

Even if we take the largest results for the Kindle, one analyst said that Apple retained 59% of the market. If you define Apple as only being in the 10" market - which is fair enough - it is at 99% of that market, and everything else is going nowhere. What happened last year was that the iPad destroyed the competition in it's one and only market - and Kindle took the rest. Everybody else collapsed. Oh, how we forget the BlackBerry, and the.... other iPad killers we forget.

The Kindle means that there is no market for Android manufacturers at the low end, as they have no way to differentiate on the OS, and Amazon is taking a loss, and when the Kindle releases the 10" version the same there. Meanwhile most people are using the Fire as an e-reader only, so there are few apps. All this actually covers Apple' back.

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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?


Pretty high I imagine given that the 4S - not yet on sale in China - took Apple to dominent position in Q4, at least in the US. The iPhone 5 will probably be out in June.

So, back to the main topic. I bought my sister an iPad 1 in Christmas 2010, she has seen no reason to update yes, I bet a Retina display will force her hand. Thats a mere few months. She can sell the iPad 1, of course.

The cost of ownership of any iPad ( or Apple product) is the cost of depreciation of the last one if you are doing a model to model switch. Which means the update to an iPad3 for most of the existing clientele will be about $200 or less. ( It would be less if you sold now and waited, but a lot will come on the market). How much of the installed base will upgrade given this reality? 50% in a few months? 80% by end of year? Something like that, and there will be first buyer momentum as well of course. And Apple will probably keep the iPad 2 and drop the price significantly.
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You have an iPad and you don't know that Number can run in landscape?

Instagram isn't really a photo editing program, it's a set of filters.
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You're probably trolling since the iPhone 4S is a high-end phone by any standards but here's a challenge: show me a single Android game that looks better than the games I can get on the iPhone. All these tech specs are worthless without software that takes advantage of them.

sshhh, don't mention Bluetooth 4.0 or GLONASS support, leave the troll to stew in his misconceptions.
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Prepare to be bashed. Everyone will tell you that it's just as good ( it isn't) and can run all the same programs (it can't).

Until it can run a full version of FileMaker, office (or numbers in landscape!), and a real photo editing program (Instagram doesn't count)- it isn't in the same discussion as a laptop.

Hell- even a netbook can run FileMaker and photoshop elements (which is better than anything the iPad has to offer).

I have an iPad- but I don't pretend it's something it's not. (before you start- yes, it eats into laptop market share- big time. Yes- it's a pc, but should be in its own category)

Flame on....



That chart only shows ~62-63% of market share combined. That did stand out to me....


FileMaker Go and Photoshop Express both provide a better Usability than anything on a NetBook. I have used elements and FileMaker on a Nebook and I have used Express and FileMaker Go on an iPad. There is a reason the iPad has decimated the NetBook market. The 900 I spen on my iPad has proven a much better investment than the 300 I wasted on a NetBook.
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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

A ridiculous assertion. Apple's iPhone market is growing, not shrinking, not losing anything to Android. Did you not read the results of the last quarter? This "Android is winning" is so much bullcrap.
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So after the introduction of the iPad growth slowed down dramatically.

J.
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So after the introduction of the iPad growth slowed down dramatically.

J.

you picked that up from a graph which shows the opposite, didnt you?
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Prepare to be bashed. Everyone will tell you that it's just as good ( it isn't) and can run all the same programs (it can't).

Until it can run a full version of FileMaker, office (or numbers in landscape!), and a real photo editing program (Instagram doesn't count)- it isn't in the same discussion as a laptop..

The software that it can run is immaterial. As a general category, PCs cover a lot of ground. It doesn't matter if a person's expectations for the device are less than a traditional PC/MAC, as long as people are buying iPads instead of desktops or laptops- the comparison is valid.

Just because it doesn't meet all YOUR computing needs, doesn't mean it doesn't meet someone else's.
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What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly.

Because they aren't losing their sales. Their loss in share is because the total number of units in the market is increasing.

There's no adjustment for returns. So who knows how many of those android phones are returned in a week and the person goes and buys an ip

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(Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

We can't be SURE of anything when it comes to Apple. If Apple has such specs it will be because they deemed there is a use. NOT simply putting something in to put it in. Example. If the camera in the iPhone has everything the same but you raise the MP from 8 to 12, but the photo quality doesn't change, then Apple won't bother with paying more for the 4 extra MP. Can you say the same about other companies, not really. They will hype their phone's camera as better because it is 12MP even if the photos are half the quality of what the iPhone takes.

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What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

Who knows. But it will probably still sell several million units, cause riots in Hong Kong etc. Same perhaps with the iPad 3. Even if they release it right in the middle of everyone else's thing, against the analysts and their 'must' statements.
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A ridiculous assertion. Apple's iPhone market is growing, not shrinking, not losing anything to Android. Did you not read the results of the last quarter? This "Android is winning" is so much bullcrap.

YES, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!
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A ridiculous assertion. Apple's iPhone market is growing, not shrinking, not losing anything to Android. Did you not read the results of the last quarter? This "Android is winning" is so much bullcrap.

There are plenty of stupid graphs. If a company is putting out new products and showing consistent profits, they're not really losing regardless of marketshare (keep in mind Apple was profitable even during the ipod era with much lower computer sales than they have today).
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It seems Apple's actual market share gains ( not just unit share gains) in the last Q has passed most people by.
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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

I've owned 4 different Android phones. It's easy to get caught up in the Android specs, but once I switched back I saw how slow Android phones are. And how buggy they are. My friend seems to have good succuess with HTC, while I had nothing but problems with virtually every Samsung based product I've owned, including the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Nexus S. LG was equally a nightmare.

Of particular note is how slow the Galaxy Tab is. Now that I'm on the iPad 2, I sometimes check for updates on that tab. It feels so slow to me. Swipes and what not are slow to respond. Users get used to this and don't see the slowness. It's simply a fact that the human brain starts to compensate for the slowness by changing your perception of the event. Saw this explained and proven on the History Channel. It's just the way our nervous system is wired. Which is why every time I tell an Android user that their device is slow they don't see it or agree. Not until I show them both at the same time and point it out to them do they then see it.

Apple is already high-end. Android needs those high end specs for lack of quality engineering and even with those high end specs can't keep up to iOS.

You may have a particular phone that compares well to iPhone, but most of the time Android phones are either buggy, lack of feature or just plain lack quality. The manufactures are too focused on their next phone to care much about the phone they just sold you. My Galaxy Tab just got 3.2. Most everyone I know with Android is still on 2.3.5. It's a joke. All they do is make a fad product designed to get you to buy that one phone. They have no interest in building a platform that builds on itself to make your life better.

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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

If you want a high end phone Apple have nothing to offer, and you end up with a Galaxy Nexus or something similar. What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

37 Million iPhones sold in Q411. Your arguments are irrelevant. No phone in the world has ever sold more.
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It’s astonishing that the THIRD iPad can arrive and still not one company can offer anything remotely able to compete with Apple’s platform. One might be dirt cheap, one might have some certain nifty-sounding tech-spec, one might be extra small if that’s your thing.... None have any significant selection of best-quality apps.

I once thought that Android would be taken and modified by some other big company into some entirely new thing that would hardly even be Android anymore (like the Fire) and would be a really good competitor (unlike the Fire). Now it seems that manufacturers have taken the lazy approach: rather than developing their own great new OS* or re-working Android in a fundamental way (I don’t mean a superficial re-skin and some widgets) they’ve largely just taken what Google feeds them. (Or not, in the case of updates Google puts out that existing Android owners never see, even while still paying off their contract!)

* Full credit to Microsoft on this! Better late than never.
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Its astonishing that the THIRD iPad can arrive and still not one company can offer anything remotely able to compete with Apples platform. One might be dirt cheap, one might have some certain nifty-sounding tech-spec, one might be extra small if thats your thing.... None have any significant selection of best-quality apps.

I once thought that Android would be taken and modified by some other big company into some entirely new thing that would hardly even be Android anymore (like the Fire) and would be a really good competitor (unlike the Fire). Now it seems that manufacturers have taken the lazy approach: rather than developing their own great new OS* or re-working Android in a fundamental way (I dont mean a superficial re-skin and some widgets) theyve largely just taken what Google feeds them. (Or not, in the case of updates Google puts out that existing Android owners never see, even while still paying off their contract!)

* Full credit to Microsoft on this! Better late than never.

I think the problem is that, when it comes to phones, all the manufacturers have to do is slap on bigger screens and faster processors every couple of months and let Google do all the work to improve the user experience. As long as Android phones can play music, surf, and hit social networks feeds that fills the bill for most people's idea of a smart phone, and the smart phone market is still exploding so there's money to be made selling to low expectation consumers. Then, just let carrier subsidies reduce barriers to entry and sell those phones.

Apple, on the other hand, is driving the iPad towards a legit laptop replacement. For that to work you need seriously well though out apps, an extensive ecosystem, and a commitment to the platform that includes a long-term strategy based on a vision of computing in the 21st century.

Who else but Apple has those things? Google's vision begins and ends with driving mobile ad views. The manufacturers are just going to try and replicate their phone experience, i.e. make something kind of like the iPad but hopefully cheaper.

I think the iPad 3 is going to be a monster. Apple has this market to themselves, not just now and not just because of sales, but for the foreseeable future because they alone have intentions for iOS far beyond anything anyone else is doing in this space.
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I agree the iPad will dominate the market and be streets ahead of the competition, that's obvious. What's less obvious is why Apple has been letting it's iPhone market share move away to Android so rapidly. Where is the innovation with the iPhone? Where are the killer specs? (Apple claims not to care about specs, but you can be sure a quad core GPU/GPU and high PPI screen will be all over the iPad 3 marketing materials)

Bollocks! There are only two reasons that Android is currently enjoying it's rapid rise in market share.

1. Nokia finally realised that Symbian had no future.
2. Android is a free OS available to any OEM.

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What will the iPhone's market share be by the time iPhone 5 finally emerges?

A. Higher than the iPhones's market share was by the time the 4S arrived.
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The iPad will continue being the market leader for a long time to come. So I hope Apple doesn' t get stagnate because of it. iOS is already starting to feel a little long in the tooth and very cramped when it's on a phone. With fresher mobile OS's on the market like Windows Metro and Android 4.0 I can see Apple loosing a few customers to them. Android 4.0 by the way is wonderful. I didn't really like Gingerbread Android 2.3 it felt to much like a mixed bag and ugly as all hell but this new Ice Cream Sandwhich is very polished and has defiantly over taken iOS in features. With apps being the only thing that is supeior in iOS. However that being said all the major apps are defiantly available for Android 4.0 at least the ones that are important to me.

I'm talking OS here not build quality. I'm fully aware that there are a lot of crap phones and tablets on the market.
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Having every program for an OS platform as the definition of a PC means that no platform is a PC.

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The software that it can run is immaterial. As a general category, PCs cover a lot of ground. It doesn't matter if a person's expectations for the device are less than a traditional PC/MAC, as long as people are buying iPads instead of desktops or laptops- the comparison is valid.

Just because it doesn't meet all YOUR computing needs, doesn't mean it doesn't meet someone else's.

Makes me wonder if you guys read my post at all.....
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

I have an iPad- but I don't pretend it's something it's not. (before you start- yes, it eats into laptop market share- big time. Yes- it's a pc, but should be in its own category)

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FileMaker Go and Photoshop Express both provide a better Usability than anything on a NetBook. I have used elements and FileMaker on a Nebook and I have used Express and FileMaker Go on an iPad. There is a reason the iPad has decimated the NetBook market. The 900 I spen on my iPad has proven a much better investment than the 300 I wasted on a NetBook.

FileMaker Go is great. I love it. But it lacks tons of features- particularly editing fields. I disagree about the express on iPad (which has almost no features at all) and elements on a netbook (which has hundreds of features and you can setup your own or install actions- 1 million times better- no question).
I prefer the iPad over a netbook any day too. Mainly due to its portability and ease of use (and instant on). But if you're actually going to photo edit, the iPad is a joke... really.... I mean, it's 10".

2012 27" iMac i7, 2010 27" iMac i7, 2011 Mac Mini i5
iPad Air, iPad Mini Retina, (2) iPhone 5S, iPod Touch 5
Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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2012 27" iMac i7, 2010 27" iMac i7, 2011 Mac Mini i5
iPad Air, iPad Mini Retina, (2) iPhone 5S, iPod Touch 5
Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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You must be joking, when you say the iP4S is not high end. How much higher must an end be. Particularly if you mention the screen resolution, which is still miles away from anything else in the field. \

Both Asus and Acer have announced 1080p tablets with the Asus Prime + being reased as early as this month. Personaly I don't care what Apple releases. Untill they get away from just being an oversized iPod, my iPad2 will suffice. After owning a Android tablet with version 4.0 on it I don't think I can live without a filemanager, MiniSD, a terminal with Python, Ruby, PHP and Pearl. iPad needs a real OS now, here's hoping they change to small verion of OSX.

Every app that I have on my iPad except for my Music creation stuff has already been installed on my Asus Slider. The apps are evn better now because I can tell them where to save my data, like a MiniSDcard or direct to the cloud. I will still continue using my iPad2 because of said Music apps which I think are incredible, for a while longer. I'm saving my pennies for a Windows 8 Tablet as I am a Gadget whore and love all technologies and not just from one manufacture. Sure Apple is nice but I also really like the UI for the new Windows Mobile, Metro. So logicaly I am also looking foward to how it will respond on a tablet. If it doesn't meet up to my expectations at least I can say I tried it and know why it failed.

Which is more then I can say for the majority on this board who's never used any other tablet but the iPad and have concluded that it is superior in every way and have nothing but negative things to say about the competition. Instead of saying oh that's interesting I wish Apple also had that or just showing a general interest to something non Apple.

I own Apple products but i also have a Lenovo Thinkpad that I think is awesome, a tank. I have a semi new Asus Slider which I think is the real Netbook and I use it as such. I own 4 cell phones, iPhone 4 (my personal phone), Samsung Note (my business phone), White Nokia N9 (my geek phone and collectors phone, it's the first and last of it's kind in the rare white color) and a Nokia 800 (my new baby to replace my aging iPhone4 until iPhone5 comes out). I have a Samsung Chromebook with ChromOS, love this guy, so much fun just to live in the cloud. These are just mine my husband has two Mac Airs one that he installed Ubuntu on, an iPad that we both share, a 27 inch iMac that I can't touch and calls his second wife, an old Powerbook 2400 that he's converted into a G3 and has a clear housing he bought when he was in Tokyo, our house is full of techno wonder.
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Ooops double post, sory.
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As Android is linux based, and runs a linux kernel, you might call all android tablet, linux tablets.

Only if you count Tivo as a Linux desktop
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

Until it can run a full version of FileMaker, office (or numbers in landscape!), and a real photo editing program (Instagram doesn't count)- it isn't in the same discussion as a laptop.

Maybe for you....

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Hell- even a netbook can run FileMaker and photoshop elements (which is better than anything the iPad has to offer).

And how many people need to run those kinds of applications?

Hint: your in a minority.

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I have an iPad- but I don't pretend it's something it's not. (before you start- yes, it eats into laptop market share- big time. Yes- it's a pc, but should be in its own category)

You can put the iPad or iOS devices in their own category, or "lump them in" - either way it doesn't matter. It's only a matter of time before iOS devices overtake "PC" sales - be they Windows or Mac - combined. For the vast majority of normal people - i.e. those who don't read or post on sites like AI - the iPad is amazingly capable and probably more than good enough to be a primary computing device. Indeed, for many people the iPad is more powerful device than a traditional PC since it's more integrated and less of a computing device and more of an appliance. And no, "appliance" isn't automatically a bad thing

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Flame on....

Don't flatter yourself.
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