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PC sales in Europe plummeted in the fourth quarter of 2011, but Apple bucked that trend over the holidays, particularly in France and the U.K., with continued strong growth.

According to the latest data released by Gartner on Tuesday, PC sales in the U.K. dropped 19.6 percent year over year in the fourth quarter of calendar 2011. It was a similar story in France, where PC sales were down 11.8 percent.

But in both countries, Apple saw double-digit gains, bucking the trends seen by the rest of the competition. Mac sales were up 17.2 percent in the U.K. alone, making Apple the only vendor among the top five that saw a year over year increase.

Dell was hardest hit in the U.K., down 32.2 percent year over year and finishing in second place. Top-ranked HP was also down a large 27 percent from 2010.

In third, Toshiba fell 5.4 percent, while fifth-place Acer saw the largest hit, plummeting 62.4 percent year over year.

Apple, meanwhile, took fourth place, growing its market share from 6.2 percent of the U.K. in 2010 to 9.1 percent in the holiday shopping season of 2011.




The results were slightly different in France, where Apple was joined by Asus in seeing positive growth for the quarter. In fact, the 17.4 percent increase for Asus bested Apple's 15.3 percent

Market leader HP fell 1.8 percent, but stayed ahead of second-place Asus with 25.2 percent. In third was Acer, which fell a dramatic 45.5 percent and took 14.4 percent of the market. Dell was in fourth, falling 13.2 percent and with an 11.4 percent share.

Apple finished in fifth place in France, securing 8.2 percent of the total market, up from 6.3 percent in 2010.

Gartner's data also included Western Europe, where PC sales fell 16 percent year over year, and Germany, where PC sales were down 8.2 percent. Apple did not crack the top five vendors in Germany or Western Europe.

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Apple will have less than 2% Mac marketshare in each of these countries by the end of the year.

I propose this becomes a color that represents slapppyisms. They're visible to those who want to take their time to read them and unreadable at a glance so that people can ignore the nonsense if they choose. For future reference, it's #C0FFEE.

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Actually since Apple's numbers were included in the total PC sales, it raised the overall percentage. If you compared Mac sales to all the other manufacturers they were down 21.5%. I'm not sure what the 5.8% others were, perhaps custom Linux boxes??

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According to the latest data released by Gartner on Tuesday, PC sales in the U.K. dropped 19.6 percent year over year in the fourth quarter of calendar 2011. It was a similar story in France, where PC sales were down 11.8 percent.

If you just compare Windows-based PCs to Mac OS X-based PCs Windows-based OEMs drop is greater.

Taking Apple out of the equation it's 3,437 total for 4Q10 and 2,679 for 4Q11 for a drop of 22.05% YoY for the UK. That's not good for MS.

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Apple will have less than 2% Mac marketshare in each of these countries by the end of the year.

I propose this becomes a color that represents slapppyisms. They're visible to those who want to take their time to read them and unreadable at a glance so that people can ignore the nonsense if they choose. For future reference, it's #COFFEE.

There is no #coffee AFAIK looks like Cyan

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There is no #coffee AFAIK looks like Cyan

Ah, sorry, C0FFEE. Better change that. Odd that it's just slightly lighter, despite me using a O instead of an 0.

Odd that it WORKED, despite me using a O instead of an 0.

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post #7 of 30
Okay. Now add the iPad & Other Tablet Sales and tell me where Apple ranks.

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Ah, sorry, C0FFEE. Better change that. Odd that it's just slightly lighter, despite me using a O instead of an 0.

Odd that it WORKED, despite me using a O instead of an 0.


Actually I think it is the browser fallback color which is almost the same #ccffee

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How odd. I seem to recall Apple being in a state of DOOMED. Was I misinformed?

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Actually since Apple's numbers were included in the total PC sales, it raised the overall percentage. If you compared Mac sales to all the other manufacturers they were down 21.5%. I'm not sure what the 5.8% others were, perhaps custom Linux boxes??

All of the other PC manufacturers, normally. But you are right, if you back out Apple's sales, the Windows PC numbers come out looking substantially worse.
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Actually since Apple's numbers were included in the total PC sales, it raised the overall percentage. If you compared Mac sales to all the other manufacturers they were down 21.5%. I'm not sure what the 5.8% others were, perhaps custom Linux boxes??

Nah, it would be other PC manufacturers, companies like Asus, NEC, Sony, Lenovo.
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I saw a similar 4Q sales chart a few weeks ago that showed "PC" sales down only slightly and Mac sales up 20%. But Mac sales were included in PC sales since Macs are also "personal computers." The "PC" category included all desktop and laptop personal computers, not just Windows + Intel machines. Subtracting Mac sales from "PC" sales resulted in a larger sales drop for "PC"s.

Looks like this particular chart doesn't include Mac sales in overall "PC" sales. But it would be nice if the author indicated that. Just for clarity.

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Wow! When Apple declared this to be the post-PC era, they weren't kidding! The PC sales have just fallen off a cliff.

Chairs will be broken and monkeys will dance... I think it will be shown that for MS to be three years late to the party was terrible, but to be four years late was un-recoverably late. Apple was figuring they had a five year lead on the market, it turns out they only needed four.
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Presumably Dell should liquidate its assets and return the money to their shareholders...
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Presumably Dell should liquidate its assets and return the money to their shareholders...

Are you listening Michael Dell?
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Do any of these studies dive into what is driving Mac growth and non-Mac stagnation or decline? I'd love to know what's driving the growth.
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Some of the explanations about Mac growth have come from the "halo effect" -- people who are happy with other devices such as iPhones, iPads, and iPods. Apple claims that over half of its Mac sales in their Retail Stores are to first-time Mac buyers.

If I recall correctly, the vast majority of households with Mac also have at least one Windows PC.

A lot of the PC stagnation has been attributed to the drop-off of netbook sales as well as fewer corporate purchases.
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Presumably Dell should liquidate its assets and return the money to their shareholders...

Michael Dell must be REALLY sorry he ever said that.
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Must've been the shortage of HDDs.
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Some of the explanations about Mac growth have come from the "halo effect" -- people who are happy with other devices such as iPhones, iPads, and iPods. Apple claims that over half of its Mac sales in their Retail Stores are to first-time Mac buyers.

If I recall correctly, the vast majority of households with Mac also have at least one Windows PC.

A lot of the PC stagnation has been attributed to the drop-off of netbook sales as well as fewer corporate purchases.

Don't forget the Apple Stores themselves. Most people had never seen a Mac in person before those stores, much less used one.

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Michael Dell must be REALLY sorry he ever said that.

I'm also sorry that he ever said that, because it seems we have to keep hearing it over and over.
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Apple will have less than 2% Mac marketshare in each of these countries by the end of the year.

I propose this becomes a color that represents slapppyisms. They're visible to those who want to take their time to read them and unreadable at a glance so that people can ignore the nonsense if they choose. For future reference, it's #C0FFEE.

Ouch, it hurts just looking at it.
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Ouch, it hurts just looking at it.

Oh, good. I've fully captured the experience of reading a slapppy comment.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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Looks like this particular chart doesn't include Mac sales in overall "PC" sales. But it would be nice if the author indicated that. Just for clarity.

Ummm...how does it not include them? Certainly, the "units sold" columns include unit sales attributed to Apple...
...and I didn't even need a PC for that arithmetic!
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Don't forget the Apple Stores themselves. Most people had never seen a Mac in person before those stores, much less used one.

How many other computer/electronics companies have a store where people come in to drool at their products. Where I live there's a Microsoft store right across from the Apple store. The Apple store is always packed, the Microsoft store is basically empty.
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How is Dell the worst hit? Acer lost 62.4%!!
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Good News! I have never been a fan of Microsoft products and Microsoft Products have always felt incomplete, buggy and unreliable (CHEAP) Mcrosoft Products are like a 3 wheel car, they are always unfinished. I have felt their run in the 90s was due to the expandability of PC's, with the soundcard and videocard revolution, combined with PC's corporate compatibility. People put up with BSOD's, viruses & crashes for those reasons. My first computer the ATARI 800 never crashed.

Now that USB/thunderbolt has taken over the VESA/PCI slot for most users, and the Web is sufficient for cross-platform communication, the general purpose PC's are now biting the dust.

General Purpose does not work for consumers. ASIC or real time OS's are what consumers now like.

Microsoft's future is servers where they dominate the Enterprise market. There is still big bucks there, and that is where General Purpose beige box M'soft products can shine. Tech heads can still tinker & change n/w cards with the PCI ports!
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Good News! I have never been a fan of Microsoft products and Microsoft Products have always felt incomplete, buggy and unreliable (CHEAP) Mcrosoft Products are like a 3 wheel car, they are always unfinished. I have felt their run in the 90s was due to the expandability of PC's, with the soundcard and videocard revolution, combined with PC's corporate compatibility. People put up with BSOD's, viruses & crashes for those reasons. My first computer the ATARI 800 never crashed.

Honestly I find Windows 7 is a lot more polished than OS X Lion. It kills me to admit that Windows runs better on my iMac than the latest version of OS X. I still have several Macs running OS X Lion around the house, but they all suffer from the same occasional lockups and performance issues once you start multitasking several applications at once. I almost never had these problems on Leopard or Snow Leopard. But they happen every day when I'm using Lion.

Admittedly I don't have any current generation Mac here. My machines are all from mid-2009 to 2010. But the iMac is a core i5 with 12GB RAM. I think it should be able to handle running OS X with a pretty smooth experience.

I'm no longer convinced Apple is going to fix these problems in any future software update. I'm now pinning my hopes on Apple getting it right with the 10.8 release.
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Michael Dell must be REALLY sorry he ever said that.

I'm also sorry that he ever said that, because it seems we have to keep hearing it over and over.

Yeah, I have to agree. Everytime there is an article with Dell in it, I am 100% sure someone will bring that up. You have to just roll your eyes and try not to flinch!
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But Macs are expensive and overpriced and people would rather save money by buying low quality products, etc...

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