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An activist group plans to hold demonstrations at Apple retail stores around the world Thursday, with a main gathering held at Apple's Grand Central Terminal location, to highlight claims of worker abuse by the iPhone maker's overseas component suppliers.

A press release was sent out to members of the media on Thursday revealing plans to deliver more than a quarter of a million signatures from campaigns on the websites Change.org and SumOfUs.org to Apple's Grand Central Terminal retail store at 10 a.m. Eastern on Thursday. The petition will reportedly be delivered by "local consumers."

The campaign was started by Mark Shields of Washington D.C., who was inspired after learning of apparent poor working conditions in the factories of Foxconn, an overseas device manufacturer who assembles Apple's products, as well as those of other technology companies like Microsoft.

"I have been a lifelong Apple customer and was shocked to learn of the abusive working conditions in many of Apple’s supplier factories," Shields said in the press release. "At Foxconn, one of Apple’s biggest manufacturers, there is a history of suicides, abusive working conditions, and almost no pay. These working conditions are appalling, especially for Apple."

While the Grand Central Terminal store will apparently be the focal point of Thursday's demonstrations, complete with "large iPhone posters" and printed handouts, the petitions will also reportedly be delivered to Apple retail locations around the world. The groups said petition deliveries will also take place in Washington D.C., San Francisco, London, Sydney and Bangalore.

As of Wednesday afternoon, Change.org had collected more than 194,000 signatures, while an additional 56,000 are located at SumOfUs.org. The planned demonstrations come as Apple and others have come under increased fire for their reliance on Foxconn.




On Monday, news network CNN aired a special report featuring an interview with an anonymous Foxconn worker who said she had never seen an iPad in person, even though she assembles them at a facility in Chengdu, China.

And late last month, The New York Times published a pair of stories profiling Apple's overseas manufacturing operations, examining the "human costs" that go into the iPad and other devices. An anonymous former Apple executive who spoke with the newspaper said that the company has known about labor abuses in overseas factories for years. But they said nothing has been done because "the system works for us."

Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook responded to those claims with an e-mail to employees calling the accusations "patently false and offensive." Cook noted that Apple will continue to scrutinize its supply chain and will inevitably find more issues, but said that the company will never turn a blind eye to problems. "On this you have my word," he said.

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They planning on going to a Best Buy the day after and protesting Dell, HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and everyone else?

And then Wal-mart to protest companies whose toys are made in China?

And then clothing stores after that to protest clothing brands sewn in China?

And then the offices of nearly every other company in the country?

No?

THEN SHUT UP, HYPOCRITES.
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That guy Mark Shields sounds like a huge pussy and not to mention a hypocrite!

You're supposed to think different. I want to continue to use and love the products you make, because they're changing the world, and have already changed my life. But I also want to know that when I buy products from you, it's not at the cost of horrible human suffering.

Yo, fuck that guy and his hypocritical douchebaggish, whining.

Apple already responded to the criticisms coming from asshats and Apple said "What we will not do - and never have done - is stand still or turn a blind eye to problems in our supply chain".

If anybody has a problem with Apple, then don't buy their products! Don't dictate your liberal fascist demands to Apple as if they give a shit about what you and your pussy friends think!

And don't be blocking and protesting in front of any Apple stores that I will be visiting. If I happen to be near any Apple store (I'm not that far away from Grand Central) and there are some douchebags trying to disrupt access or trying to interfere with my business and restrict my freedom of movement, then I will not hesitate to use physical force to put these protest nazis in their place.
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While all the idiots are in one place, can we not cleanse the gene pool somehow?
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They planning on going to a Best Buy the day after and protesting Dell, HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and everyone else?

And then Wal-mart to protest companies whose toys are made in China?

And then clothing stores after that to protest clothing brands sewn in China?

And then the offices of nearly every other company in the country?

No?

THEN SHUT UP, HYPOCRITES.

Walmart.

That's all that needs to be said.
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They planning on going to a Best Buy the day after and protesting Dell, HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and everyone else?

And then Wal-mart to protest companies whose toys are made in China?

And then clothing stores after that to protest clothing brands sewn in China?

And then the offices of nearly every other company in the country?

No?

THEN SHUT UP, HYPOCRITES.

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Alleged worker abuse. How many protestors have actually visited Foxconn? Ah but those details never stopped protestors. It's easier to sign a petition if you don't bother with details.

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That guy Mark Shields sounds like a huge pussy and not to mention a hypocrite!

I think that most of Apple's customers don't really care about foreign workers.
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I think that most of Apple's customers don't really care about foreign workers.

I don't think that's necessarily true. If there was some real abuse going on, that could be factually documented, like slave labor or using 9 year old kids to assemble products, then most people would say that is not cool.

However, there is nothing like that going on and everything is just fine and dandy. They're going to have to do better than whining about a 60 hour work week and a suicide rate that is less than the general population.
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They planning on going to a Best Buy the day after and protesting Dell, HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and everyone else?

And then Wal-mart to protest companies whose toys are made in China?

And then clothing stores after that to protest clothing brands sewn in China?

And then the offices of nearly every other company in the country?

No?

THEN SHUT UP, HYPOCRITES.

That isn't what the word hypocrisy means.
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I don't think AI linked to the petition so for those wanting to sign it here it is: http://www.change.org/petitions/appl...nese-factories

That said, I'm not signing it. I encourage better working conditions for all people in all companies but signaling out Apple without understanding the Chinese workforce is just seeing bark, on one branch of one tree without seeing the forest.

PS: I wonder how that petition was made, how it's hosted, how people will sign it, and how they will print it out?

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That isn't what the word hypocrisy means.

If somebody buys and uses Apple products, yet whines like a big pussy about Apple and even goes so far as to protest against Apple, then that is the definition of a hypocrite.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. If there was some real abuse going on, that could be factually documented, like slave labor or using 9 old kids to assemble products, then most people would say that is not cool.

However, there is nothing like that going on and everything is just fine and dandy. They're going to have to do better than whining about a 60 hour work week and a suicide rate that is less than the general population.

What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?
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If somebody buys and uses Apple products, yet whines like a big pussy about Apple and even goes so far as to protest against Apple, then that is the definition of a hypocrite.

Thats not what you said...you implied that if someone protests apple, but not other tech companies (that I assume you are accusing of committing similar atrocities) then they are hypocritical. Which isn't true. It WOULD be hypocritical if they USED apple products as you stated above.

However, since your defense of apple is basically saying, "everyone else does it too," it doesn't seem like you are on particularly strong moral ground to judge from.
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Just to let everyone know there is a petition on Facebook to get Apple to include Flash on the iPhone. The pressure is mounting. Apple will have to make some decisions fast. Since 2009 there have been 7 signatures added...
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That isn't what the word hypocrisy means.

Yeah, I didn't think so either. So what's the word for this situation? It's really close to hypocrisy...
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Thats not what you said...you implied that if someone protests apple, but not other tech companies (that I assume you are accusing of committing similar atrocities) then they are hypocritical. Which isn't true. It WOULD be hypocritical if they USED apple products as you stated above.

However, since your defense of apple is basically saying, "everyone else does it too," it doesn't seem like you are on particularly strong moral ground to judge from.

... or any number of other products made in China.
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What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?

I call that a bunch of whiny fools making dumb demands. If those morons and pathetic people who were behind that threat felt that their jobs or working conditions are so bad, then quit! Problem solved.

In the thread about that mass suicide threat a while ago, I said that I would have called their bluff if I were in charge. Let them go ahead with their ridiculous mass suicide. If their lives are so worthless that they would think about suicide over a job, then the human race does not need such weak genes in the pool. As I stated, nobody is forcing them to work there. So, what does somebody do when they are in a job that they don't like? They quit, they don't off themselves like some psycho and weak human being.
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One thing we know for sure. Slappy will be there in his best 99%'er uniform taking pictures with his Android phone made down the street from the iPhone Foxconn factory.
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How many of those signatures are from folks who are outraged by what they read in a few snippets on the web vs how many are from folks who either work in the so called deplorable conditions - and how many folks are lined up outside the factory waiting to take their place?

There was a time in this country (the USA) when it was considered acceptable to have one worker die for every so many floors of high rise constructed - or for ever foot of bridge span built.

"almost no pay" ??? from what I have read the pay is above the average for the local area - while far below what it takes to support my current life-style (read: debt load) - drawing any sort of comparison between my pay and living conditions to that of a bother country based on internet reports of said conditions is not a terribly useful thing to do.
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Thats not what you said...you implied that if someone protests apple, but not other tech companies (that I assume you are accusing of committing similar atrocities) then they are hypocritical. Which isn't true. It WOULD be hypocritical if they USED apple products as you stated above.

However, since your defense of apple is basically saying, "everyone else does it too," it doesn't seem like you are on particularly strong moral ground to judge from.

I didn't actually say that. You're confusing me with Tallest Skill, the person who said it.

The guy behind the protest said that he uses Apple's products, so that would make him a hypocrite, according to the definition.
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Welcome to the "agenda" of the liberal/progressive/OWS crowd. If these groups ever takeover - I can hardly wait for the anarchy or Big Brother) society they will produce.
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What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?

A problem for Microsoft at the X-Box factory?
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Apple needs to be sent a message.

If they continue to manufacture their wares in China, the next thing you know, EVERY electronics manufacturer will follow and EVERYTHING we buy will be made in China.

I can't imagine living in a world like that.
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What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?

Interesting comment.

The actual suicides in the Foxconn factory were addressed a long time ago. Suicides within Foxconn were much lower than the suicide rate in China as a whole. So it doesn't support your claim.

As for the giant mass suicide threat? That was among employees at the factor making the xBox 360. So why is it appropriate to attack Apple for something that happened at a factory making Microsoft products?

Thanks for proving that most of the people complaining about Apple have not bothered to learn anything about the facts of the situation.
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This discussion is embarrasing. Even if Apple is doing not so bad, it always can do better. And as one of the world's biggest companies (in shareholders value) it should. Especially with all that money in the bank. And everyone loving Apple should be supporting initiatives like this.
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What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?

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I call that a bunch of whiny fools making dumb demands. If those morons and pathetic people who were behind that threat felt that their jobs or working conditions are so bad, then quit! Problem solved.

Another point is how the workers now know they can get the West's attention by threatening mass suicide. After the first suicide attempt it became clear this is the way to bring attention to your demands. Every threat after that was political. The Chinese workers are not dumb. They know how to pull the strings of the media and activists.
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Yeah, I didn't think so either. So what's the word for this situation? It's really close to hypocrisy...

It's called picking your battles. The guy doesn't seem to have all his facts straight (close to no pay?) but singling out one company like this doesn't mean he thinks it's okay that other companies do it, too, or (if he WERE actually a hypocrite) that he's doing the same thing himself.

He's an Apple customer. He cares how Apple does business more than other companies. There's nothing wrong with trying to do SOME good. Nobody in this modern world can live a completely spotless existence. To say that we should do absolutely nothing about the injustices we see in it is terrible attitude.

This guy doesn't seems kind of naive, and I don't think he's going to do much good (possibly none if he can't be bothered to get his facts straight). But he's not a hypocrite.
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Apple needs to be sent a message.

If they continue to manufacture their wares in China, the next thing you know, EVERY electronics manufacturer will follow and EVERYTHING we buy will be made in China.

I can't imagine living in a world like that.

You already are. Including your clothes etc

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This discussion is embarrasing. Even if Apple is doing not so bad, it always can do better. And as one of the world's biggest companies (in shareholders value) it should. Especially with all that money in the bank. And everyone loving Apple should be supporting initiatives like this.

I agree Apple should do better, going well above the countries standard, but that's because I think it will benefit their bottom line, just like it does with their "green" initiatives.

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What exactly do you call the giant mass suicide threat a few months ago? Can you imagine a bunch of office workers negotiating with suicide?

You mean the protest of the Xbox workers that greatly outnumbered the suicide count for several years and got perhaps 1 day of press before it was forgotten

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I call that a bunch of whiny fools making dumb demands. If those morons and pathetic people who were behind that threat felt that their jobs or working conditions are so bad, then quit! Problem solved.

In the thread about that mass suicide threat a while ago, I said that I would have called their bluff if I were in charge. Let them go ahead with their ridiculous mass suicide. If their lives are so worthless that they would think about suicide over a job, then the human race does not need such weak genes in the pool. As I stated, nobody is forcing them to work there. So, what does somebody do when they are in a job that they don't like? They quit, they don't off themselves like some psycho and weak human being.


...wow. clearly we have different opinions about the value of human life.
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Yeah, I didn't think so either. So what's the word for this situation? It's really close to hypocrisy...

I think we are talking about a double standard. I'm not sure what you would name a person who holds a double standard though...
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Another point is how the workers now know they can get the West's attention by threatening mass suicide. After the first suicide attempt it became clear this is the way to bring attention to your demands. Every threat after that was political. The Chinese workers are not dumb. They know how to pull the strings of the media and activists.

True, it's all political theatre and a pathetic attempt at media manipulation.

There's 1,338,299,500 people in China. If a few of them want to kill themselves, then go right ahead.
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A problem for Microsoft at the X-Box factory?

I would genuinely like to know why the vibe here seems to be that because other people do it, its acceptable? I assume your response is going to be something like...because no one is complaining about the other companies, but thats just faulty reasoning. Two wrongs, or 100 wrongs, don't make a right...
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And you just wait and see. If Apple does indeed move some manfacturing out of China the very same people signing the petition will then be clamoring for the Chinese workers who lose their jobs to be compensated by Apple too. You can't win with this crowd. You can never do enough.
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...wow. clearly we have different opinions about the value of human life.

I suppose so. But clearly, the people threatening mass suicide are the ones who don't value their own lives. I happen to value my own life a lot.
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I think we are talking about a double standard. I'm not sure what you would name a person who holds a double standard though...

Yes, that's it exactly. Thanks!

Well, let's come up with one. Doublist, perhaps?
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FFS.

Most of the people that are on these crusades to save the poor Chinese workers, or the yellow-bellied tit-sucking moth fly, or w/e could serve the world better by focusing their energy a little closer to home. Like on personal hygiene or, I don't know, a job.

So tired of these self-righteous hypocritical bleeding-heart whiner-babies pointing the finger at anyone but themselves.

PS. I totally support saving the yellow-bellied tit-sucking moth fly.
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I would genuinely like to know why the vibe here seems to be that because other people do it, its acceptable? I assume your response is going to be something like...because no one is complaining about the other companies, but thats just faulty reasoning. Two wrongs, or 100 wrongs, don't make a right...

So why aren't people complaing about the other companies?
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