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Pictured Sharp LCD panel claimed to be Retina Display for Apple's 'iPad 3'

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Another leaked component photo shows an LCD panel manufactured by Sharp that is claimed to be a 9.7-inch Retina Display for Apple's anticipated third-generation iPad.

The pictured component, highlighted by the Japanese-language site Macotakara, clearly shows on the connector that it is manufactured by Sharp. But the site also claims it is a QXGA 9.7-inch display that "seems to be for the next iPad."

The display has three flat cables that connect to the base of the LCD, which is said to sport a high-resolution 2,048-by-1,536-pixel display. That's the same size that has been rumored for an Apple-branded Retina Display on the third-generation iPad.

The resolution suggests that Apple's so-called "iPad 3" will not match the 326 pixel-per-inch density of the iPhone 4S, iPhone 4 and iPod touch. Rather, the rumored resolution would be a pixel density of around 260 pixels-per-inch, with quadruple the resolution found on the current iPad.

Currently, the iPad 2 and first-generation iPad have a resolution of 1,024-by-768 pixels, which has a density of 132 pixels-per-inch. That falls well short of Apple's "Retina Display" distinction, named so because the individual pixels are so small that they are all but impossible for the human eye to discern.




The purported iPad 3 LCD is the latest in a flurry of components claimed to show off parts from Apple's third-generation iPad. It comes on the heels of a photo claiming to show the back cover of the next-generation device, as well as another one that showed the inside of the back panel, suggesting the device will sport a larger battery.

The photos of the back panel suggest that the device will be nearly identical in form factor to the current iPad 2. But inside, the part shows signs that the LCD display, camera, and logic board have been redesigned, in addition to the prospect of a larger battery.

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Sounds perfect. This will be my first iPad. Jealous of my wife's iPad 2, but I really want the 'near' Retina Display. The current iPads look 'fuzzy' next to my iPhone 4.

iPad 3, iPhone 5, maybe 'iTV' and 'Retina' MacBook Pros.

Can't wait. Saving my pennies...
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is the hardware going to be powerfull enough to support it? dont desktops have trouble running games at even 30fps on resolutions that big?
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"...a pixel density of around 260 pixels-per-inch, quadrupling the density found on the current iPad."

That's not quadrupling, it's doubling the density. Just because you double pixel dimensions doesn't mean you quadruple density. If density was quadrupled, that would have meant the iPad had a crappy 65dpi, which it doesn't.

Anyway, if true, good for Apple in obtaining another lcd supplier, which hopefully won't bite it's hand later... cough, cough, Samsung... cough...
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You use an iPad further away from your eyes than an iPhone: those pixels will be impossible to discern too.

The "retina" qualifier relates not only to pixel density but also to distance to the eyes.. You can see the iPhone's pixels if you glue your face to it...
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I could see Apple arguing you hold the iPad further away from your face (i.e. your eyes) than the iPhone and still marketing this as a retina display.
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That's not quadrupling, it's doubling the density.

It depends on how you define density. Either pixels per inch, or pixels per square inch would work. But since author chose pixels per inch, he was indeed wrong about quadrupling.
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It depends on how you define density. Either pixels per inch, or pixels per square inch would work. But since author chose pixels per inch, he was indeed wrong about quadrupling.

I agree.

But, on the other hand, the total number of pixels would be quadrupled when linear density is doubled. This puts a lot of pressure on the GPU.

I wonder what will be delivered via AirPlay. Would it go 1080i or 1080p?
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Apple, releasing a new version of an existing product - with improved features - no way!
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Apple, releasing a new version of an existing product - with improved features - no way!

How about the Apple ][+ ?
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Apple, releasing a new version of an existing product - with improved features - no way!

iPhone 4s rings the bell too
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1024\tx768 =786432 pixels
2048\tx1536=3145728 pixels

Thats 4 times as many as the iPad and iPad 2, so quadrupled the pixels. However PPI is a measurement of pixels per square inch, so that translates to double the density or PPI.

Anyhoo, if it does come with this display I will be passing the iPad 2 onto the Wife and kids and getting a 3G iPad3 for myself.
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is the hardware going to be powerfull enough to support it? dont desktops have trouble running games at even 30fps on resolutions that big?

I guess, app developers have an option to do either 1024x768 or 2048x1536.
So those visually graphic intense games like Infinite Blade 2 will just run on 1024x768.
Those apps that doesn't need heavy graphics like iBooks, Safari, etc will run on 2048x1536.
It will be cool if Apple can remove the flicking black screen while changing it's resolution.
It's amazing to think how they're making the OS optimized for both resolutions.
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Well, I was hoping for an edge-to-edge display in a bezelless and buttonless design, with the virtual bezel switchable on and off, and the home button replaced with gestures. Would be cool for board games and other apps benefiting from max real estate.
My 20 month old toddler keeps accidentally clicking on a home button when she solves puzzles so the home button going away would be nice as well.
If both LCD and back panel have the same form factor then it won't happen this time and perhaps never.
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Sharp being the manufacturer, it would seem we're getting the IGZO display. Thin, light, bright, battery-friendly. Ahhh! March can't come fast enough!
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Currently, the iPad 2 and first-generation iPad have a resolution of 1,024-by-768 pixels, which has a density of 132 pixels-per-inch. That falls well short of Apple's "Retina Display" distinction, named so because the individual pixels are so small that they are all but impossible for the human eye to discern.

It was my understanding that there's a distance issue involved as well. The closer someone is likely to hold the device to their face the smaller the pixels have to be, but at a distance they can be slightly larger and the eye still can't pick one from another unless the viewer is some kind of mutant with super vision

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I wonder what will be delivered via AirPlay. Would it go 1080i or 1080p?

p, obviously. It does p now.

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Well, I was hoping for an edge-to-edge display in a bezelless and buttonless design, with the virtual bezel switchable on and off, and the home button replaced with gestures.

You're crazy. He's crazy, right? You're crazy. A virtual bezel sounds nice until you realize no one's going to turn it off. An insanely small amount of uses for the iPad rely on tabletopping.

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My 20 month old toddler keeps accidentally clicking on a home button when she solves puzzles so the home button going away would be nice as well.

And your toddler (and YOU and everyone else) will keep accidentally quitting apps, switching apps, performing commands, and what have you if there's no bezel.

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You're crazy. He's crazy, right? You're crazy. A virtual bezel sounds nice until you realize no one's going to turn it off. An insanely small amount of uses for the iPad rely on tabletopping.

You're kidding, right? What about Smart-cover use cases (video, picture frame, you name it) or do you use the Smart-cover just to well cover?



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And your toddler (and YOU and everyone else) will keep accidentally quitting apps, switching apps, performing commands, and what have you if there's no bezel.

It's the home button that makes apps getting quit accidentally.
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And your toddler (and YOU and everyone else) will keep accidentally quitting apps, switching apps, performing commands, and what have you if there's no bezel.

My guess is that Apple has explored designs with a variety of bezel widths, including ones where the bezel is close to zero width.

It seems necessary to have one - but the smaller the better, within the limits of ergonomics. I would think that Apple likes the current choice, because so amny other choices have already been tried and rejected.
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Apple, releasing a new version of an existing product - with improved features - no way!

So your definition of a "new" product is based solely on its exterior casing? That's a very low standard.
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My guess is that Apple has explored designs with a variety of bezel widths, including ones where the bezel is close to zero width.

It seems necessary to have one - but the smaller the better, within the limits of ergonomics. I would think that Apple likes the current choice, because so amny other choices have already been tried and rejected.

Virtual bezel is a solution. Not only it could be turned off, it can be also adjusted to comfortable thickness depending on user's thumb size.
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Virtual bezel is a solution. Not only it could be turned off, it can be also adjusted to comfortable thickness depending on user's thumb size.

A 15 inch iPad with edge-to-edge would be killer. Apple would reinvent the board game industry. The board would be interactive, and people could move their pieces with their fingers. The board could turn automatically to face each player in turn. Everybody could have their own magic trackpad to move.
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That's not quadrupling, it's doubling the density. Just because you double pixel dimensions doesn't mean you quadruple density. If density was quadrupled, that would have meant the iPad had a crappy 65dpi, which it doesn't.

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It depends on how you define density. Either pixels per inch, or pixels per square inch would work. But since author chose pixels per inch, he was indeed wrong about quadrupling.

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1024\tx768 =786432 pixels
2048\tx1536=3145728 pixels

Thats 4 times as many as the iPad and iPad 2, so quadrupled the pixels. However PPI is a measurement of pixels per square inch, so that translates to double the density or PPI.

For the sake of FSM, not this argument again. Can someone just write some code that will automatically insert these silly points into any discussion about the iPad / iPhone / iPod display, so we can all move on to a substantive conversation?
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My 20 month old toddler keeps accidentally clicking on a home button when she solves puzzles so the home button going away would be nice as well.

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And your toddler (and YOU and everyone else) will keep accidentally quitting apps, switching apps, performing commands, and what have you if there's no bezel.

I don't think that designing for the 20-month-old toddler demographic is where Apple should go with the iPad 3.

Regardless, clicking the home button doesn't quit an app, it just takes you to the home screen. The app is still there in the background, accessible either by clicking on the app icon again, or by double-clicking the home button and selecting the already running app.
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Sharp being the manufacturer, it would seem we're getting the IGZO display. Thin, light, bright, battery-friendly. Ahhh! March can't come fast enough!

R sure the IGZO display will be better than the IPS Dual LED Backlit display. Atleast the world has seen the IPS display in iPad and Ipad-2 God knows how this IGZO thing is, in terms of picture quality. Don't just go by, if it has more PPI, it has to be good. Nobody has seen yet what and how this IGZO display is ? Whether it is any good ?

I personally would have preferred the IPS Dual LED backlit Display anyday over the IGZO display.
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God knows how this IGZO thing is, in terms of picture quality.

Well, not God, but Steve does, at least. And so do Phil, Tim, Scott, and Ive, and if Steve trusted them, then I trust them (provided they don't do anything insane with names). If they pick it, it's for a reason.

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I personally would have preferred the IPS Dual LED backlit Display anyday over the IGZO display.

Past tense as though we already know what's happening. Look to the future, people! Nothing is decided yet.

The horror; I've turned into an*Apple optimist...

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Well, not God, but Steve does, at least. And so do Phil, Tim, Scott, and Ive, and if Steve trusted them, then I trust them (provided they don't do anything insane with names). If they pick it, it's for a reason.



Past tense as though we already know what's happening. Look to the future, people! Nothing is decided yet.

The horror; I've turned into an*Apple optimist...

I wrote this in one of the other threads today earlier here I am posting it again...


More Sad news coming (Atleast for me) I am deeply saddened to read all this. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...3-says-analyst I wonder if any of the iPad enthusiast here or in the Internet world has a comparison between the IPS LED Backlit Display and IGZO displays, on which gives a more better picture quality and colour reproduction?

This is, will be my first ever iPad, and unfortunately it had to be the one where they ended up doing experiements that too with the most crucial part of a entertainment gadget "The Display "
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More Sad news coming... ...I am deeply saddened... ... unfortunately... ...doing experiments...

Where the heck is this 'saddening' coming from? Apple 'does experiments' with every single new model of device they've ever made. They're always the first to [this]. They're always the first to [that]. They've put [something] in their products years before everyone else. I don't get the gloom and doom. I see nothing in that article that says IGZO displays will be the death of Apple, the death of any company that tries to use them, or anything of that nature.

What I would have liked to see are the CONS of said display type. At least then you MIGHT have had an explanation for your doom and gloom views, but you're basing that on 'doing experiments' when everything that Apple makes is an experiment.

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Where the heck is this 'saddening' coming from? Apple 'does experiments' with every single new model of device they've ever made. They're always the first to [this]. They're always the first to [that]. They've put [something] in their products years before everyone else. I don't get the gloom and doom. I see nothing in that article that says IGZO displays will be the death of Apple, the death of any company that tries to use them, or anything of that nature.

What I would have liked to see are the CONS of said display type. At least then you MIGHT have had an explanation for your doom and gloom views, but you're basing that on 'doing experiments' when everything that Apple makes is an experiment.


I do know that I don't run Apple and so I cant really dictate Apple to release products which I think is correct. But this is the First ever iPad that I am thinking to buy and I am mighty scared and touchy about if apple uses something which may not please, appeal me that too especially in Display which according to me is one of the Key...Key...Very important factor of a Entertainment, Audio Visual Gadget.

Atleast with the Previous 2 iPads atleast we know how fantastic are those in display. What if this IGZO displays are just a marketing hype and dont have a display which as good if not better than the IPS LED Bcaklit displays used in the previous two iPads !! So you see even I am talking about what are the Cons of this display a comparison can give a better picture and put more light on the information which is better ?
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I wrote this in one of the other threads today earlier here I am posting it again...


More Sad news coming (Atleast for me) I am deeply saddened to read all this. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...3-says-analyst I wonder if any of the iPad enthusiast here or in the Internet world has a comparison between the IPS LED Backlit Display and IGZO displays, on which gives a more better picture quality and colour reproduction?

This is, will be my first ever iPad, and unfortunately it had to be the one where they ended up doing experiements that too with the most crucial part of a entertainment gadget "The Display "


Apple doing experiments with the most crucial part of an entertainment GADGET? So you are upset because a "gadget" may not be some dream tablet you have imagined based on reading months of rumors?

The product has not even been released. Everything you read is pure speculation.

Whatever Apple produces will sell MILLIONS of units. It must be mass produced within cost limitations, and suppliers must be able to supply a sufficient quantity of displays without problems. And the display must work for years. What ever Apple releases will not be an "experiment". There will be logical, justifiable reasons behind the choice of display and it will be well tested.
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I wrote this in one of the other threads today earlier here I am posting it again...


More Sad news coming (Atleast for me) I am deeply saddened to read all this. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...3-says-analyst I wonder if any of the iPad enthusiast here or in the Internet world has a comparison between the IPS LED Backlit Display and IGZO displays, on which gives a more better picture quality and colour reproduction?

This is, will be my first ever iPad, and unfortunately it had to be the one where they ended up doing experiements that too with the most crucial part of a entertainment gadget "The Display "

From the article that you linked:

And what are the similarities?
Annis: Actually, in a lot of other respects, the amorphous silicon panels from Korea and the IGZO panels from Sharp are pretty similar. They both use IPS [in-plane switching]...they have kind of the same liquid crystal technologies. So, they're both going to have a really wide viewing angle and good color off-axis.


You can't compare IGZO to IPS. IGZO is just a technology that improves the thin film transistor.
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It's the home button that makes apps getting quit accidentally.

I do that all the time. The home button is a real pain when holding it in landscape mode.
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Virtual bezel is a solution. Not only it could be turned off, it can be also adjusted to comfortable thickness depending on user's thumb size.

Not going to happen. Doing that would require rescaling apps every time you changed the bezel thickness - and apps would never be running at native resolution except with the 'standard' bezel thickness. I can't see Apple tolerating the loss in quality and the wasted GPU time rescaling things in order to obtain the dubious benefit of a variable bezel thickness.

Same thing applies to turning the bezel on and off.
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From the article that you linked:

And what are the similarities?
Annis: Actually, in a lot of other respects, the amorphous silicon panels from Korea and the IGZO panels from Sharp are pretty similar. They both use IPS [in-plane switching]...they have kind of the same liquid crystal technologies. So, they're both going to have a really wide viewing angle and good color off-axis.


You can't compare IGZO to IPS. IGZO is just a technology that improves the thin film transistor.

Maybe IGZO would be better but the current IPS LED Backlit Display looks just so fantastic, that I am a little uncomfortable about some New Display coming in to the iPad and that too when I have decided to buy one What if it is not as good if not better as the display in the current iPad-2 ?
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Sharp is good news. Let's move away from Samsung.

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My 20 month old toddler keeps accidentally clicking on a home button when she solves puzzles so the home button going away would be nice as well.

Turn the iPad upside down.
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Sharp is good news. Let's move away from Samsung.

Samsung may have been supplier for other parts but for display it was LG Display which supplied the Display units for iPad-1 and iPad-2. So Sharp is just gonna supply Display Units for iPad-3.
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Found this Article on Sharp working on the IGZO technology

http://www.displaysearchblog.com/201...e-the-subject/
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A 15 inch iPad with edge-to-edge would be killer. Apple would reinvent the board game industry. The board would be interactive, and people could move their pieces with their fingers. The board could turn automatically to face each player in turn. Everybody could have their own magic trackpad to move.

This reinvents the board game industry. Or perhaps this
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Sharp being the manufacturer, it would seem we're getting the IGZO display. Thin, light, bright, battery-friendly. Ahhh! March can't come fast enough!

Just for reference:
EVEN IF this panel really is an IGZO high resolution panel and EVEN IF it was made for the iPad, that doesn't mean that the next generation iPad will use it. Apple makes prototypes all the time - at least a couple of generations ahead. So this could be a prototype panel for iPad 4. Or even iPad 5 (neither of which may have those names, of course).
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