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As promised, activists on Thursday hand-delivered signed petitions to Apple's store in Grand Central Terminal, which were politely accepted by retail employees.

Activists first began to drum up attention for their event on Wednesday with a press release announcing they would deliver more than a quarter of a million signatures to the store at Apple's Grand Central Terminal in an effort to highlight claims of worker abuse at Foxconn, the overseas manufacturer of Apple's devices. In reality, little more than a dozen supporters arrived on Thursday, according to CNet, a number that was "far outstripped" by the number of media representatives on hand to cover the event.

The event was organized by SumofUs and Change.org, and organizer Sarah Ryan told author Roger Cheng that the purpose of the event was not meant to have a large crowd, but instead to hand-deliver the petitions and bring attention to working conditions at Chinese factories that assemble products like the iPhone.

"Apple was definitely ready for us," she said. "They were very polite. Hopefully, they understand the magnitude of the signatures."

The activists have not called for a boycott of Apple products, but hope that the company will do more to address employee working conditions overseas.

The petitions come soon after a pair of media reports highlighted Foxconn and its relationship with Apple. A pair of stories from The New York Times late last month examined the "human costs" that go into the iPhone and other devices, while this week a separate report from news network CNN featured an interview with an anonymous Foxconn worker who said she has never seen an iPad in person, even though she assembles them at a mega-factory in Chengdu, China.


Workers rights petitions handed to Apple employees at Grand Central Terminal on Thursday. Photo via CNet.


Media characterizations of Foxconn have portrayed the company as one that does not provide adequate benefits to workers, and often requires them to work long overtime hours. Employees have also staged demonstrations, with including a number who threatened suicide earlier this year at a plant that manufactures Xbox 360 consoles for Microsoft.

For its part, Apple has fired back at accusations that it does not do enough to counter substandard working conditions overseas. Apple CEO Tim Cook last month issued an e-mail to employees, stating that Apple will continue to scrutinize its supply chain and will inevitably find more issues, but that the company will never turn a blind eye to worker-related problems.

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Get a job, Hippies!

Kidding... I support whatever it takes to fight for worker's rights all around the world, but I hope they will be delivering these petitions to Google, Amazon, Samsung, Dell, HP, Microsoft and the hundreds of other well known tech companies who utilize these same workers.

Only Apple is acknowledging that there's even a problem.
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Wow. What happened to the hundreds or thousands of people that were supposed to show up in protest? I listened to WCBS 880 am most of the late night / early morning on Thursday. They repeated this story over and over, saying that Apple would be swarmed by people in protest. What happened to everyone else, outside of this dozen or so number of people that showed up? Where was everyone else?
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She's wearing a cardigan just like one my wife has. Made in China!
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Just so we're clear... people are upset at how Foxconn's employees are treated, right?

I only ask because Foxconn makes products for a ton of different companies... and not all of Foxconn's 1 million employees build Apple products...
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Only Apple is acknowledging that there's even a problem.

Because they were forced to.
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I like the impact of this on Apple's stock price. More petitions, please!
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Yup. There she is.

Whether she catches private capital or not, I imagine a shot at an IPO is the target.

Sorry, sophistry is not what I have considered sufficient motivation for political activism in my life.
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And did you see the huge crowd and mile-long line last week when Foxconn was hiring?

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/31/...ties-in-china/
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Just so we're clear... people are upset at how Foxconn's employees are treated, right?

Who does Foxconn work for?

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And did you see the huge crowd and mile-long line last week when Foxconn was hiring?

So this is good enough reason not to further improve conditions when Apple is making a huge profit? We can do better than this and Apple is the company to start a movement. This notion that things aren't super bad so lets do nothing is turning a blind eye to the problem.
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Because they were forced to.

You might really want to inform yourself a bit more, and look at the history of Apple's Supplier Responsibility reports: http://www.apple.com/supplierrespons....html#moreinfo. Go to the section that says 'Historical Reports.'

Apple's been doing this at least since 2007. Way before nonsensical, poorly-informed, biased, hypocritical hit pieces of the recent NYT variety, and from a time when Apple was still only a fraction of its current size, current market cap, current coolness factor, current clickbaitability levels,... you name it.

You may not think it's enough - and perhaps Apple could do more - but you should at least know that Apple is about as responsible as shareholder value-maximizing companies have bothered to get in the real world.
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You may not think it's enough - and perhaps Apple could do more - but you should at least know that Apple is about as responsible as shareholder value-maximizing companies have bothered to get in the real world.

And that should be the standard? I thought Apple did everything better
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I thought Apple did everything better

What do you think I said?

(And, I should add, given the time between my post and your reply, you clearly did not even bother to glance at what the reports had to say, the methodologies used, etc. That says a lot about the substantiveness of the viewpoints that you folks espouse).
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Who does Foxconn work for?
So this is good enough reason not to further improve conditions when Apple is making a huge profit? We can do better than this and Apple is the company to start a movement. This notion that things aren't super bad so lets do nothing is turning a blind eye to the problem.

First of all, we can't compare workers in USA with China. As long as no human rights are violated, we can continue. Wages at foxconn are probably above average compared to the rest of china's workforce.

Canada gets a year off for maternity leave. USA, it's 12 weeks, unpaid. So are we in violation of workers rights? It's illegal in France to work more than 35 hours a week. Compared to France, we are slaves if work 40 hours a week.
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If you own products by Acer, Amazon, Asus, Barnes & Noble, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Lenovo, Microsoft, Motorola, Netgear, Nintendo, Nokia, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Vizio…. and are protesting Apple, then you are a hypocrite. They all use the same factories. Oh, and don't forget all your clothes that are made in China, in what I would assume to be worse conditions. I just looked at my box of toothpicks..yup, made in China. As much as Apple fans must admit to being Apple fans, some others must admit that they care more about hating Apple than giving anything remotely close to a shit about Foxconn workers. The fact that Apple is doing more than all these companies combined on this issue makes you not only a hypocrite, but an idiotic and ignorant one at that.
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What do you think I said?

(And, I should add, given the time between my post and your reply, you clearly did not even bother to glance at what the reports had to say, the methodologies used, etc. That says a lot about the substantiveness of the viewpoints that you folks espouse).

He was too busy inserting lol faces in his posts and patting himself on the back for his imagined wit than to bother doing anything mundane like reading something that would actually enlighten him.
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Wow. What happened to the hundreds or thousands of people that were supposed to show up in protest? I listened to WCBS 880 am most of the late night / early morning on Thursday. They repeated this story over and over, saying that Apple would be swarmed by people in protest. What happened to everyone else, outside of this dozen or so number of people that showed up? Where was everyone else?

Playing Angry Birds on their iPhones/iPads?
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AND NOT sitting on moldy. Porch couch waiting for a government handout check.
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(And, I should add, given the time between my post and your reply, you clearly did not even bother to glance at what the reports had to say, the methodologies used, etc. That says a lot about the substantiveness of the viewpoints that you folks espouse).

Actually, no. What it "clearly demonstrates" is that I've read the reports before.

Fact of the matter is that, contrary to your stance, there have been complaints regarding Apple's second-hand exploitation of workers well before their first published response:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...factories.html
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As much as this may sound callous, worker conditions in China are not our problem. Deliver your petitions to Foxconn & the Chinese Govt.

You want to effect real change? Stop trying to social engineer everything under the sun, and let America get back to work building things in America, where Americans can work, instead of running companies out of the country with political correctness, frivolous lawsuits, onerous regulation and excessive taxation.

It's crystal clear by now that the European style socialist ideals are a complete failure, and we need to get back to the way things were in the '50s and grow this country again. Let the Chinese worry about China. Their future and working conditions are up to them, not us.
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Actually, no. What it "clearly demonstrates" is that I've read the reports before.

Fact of the matter is that, contrary to your stance, there have been complaints regarding Apple's second-hand exploitation of workers well before their first published response:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...factories.html

And you believe something printed in the Daily Mail? You must be the only one!
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Truly disgusting and despicable people. And I'm not surprised that there was more media in attendance than deranged activists, as most people are sane enough to not get involved in such scams and ignorant behavior.
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If you own products by Acer, Amazon, Asus, Barnes & Noble, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Lenovo, Microsoft, Motorola, Netgear, Nintendo, Nokia, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Vizio. and are protesting Apple, then you are a hypocrite. They all use the same factories. Oh, and don't forget all your clothes that are made in China, in what I would assume to be worse conditions. I just looked at my box of toothpicks..yup, made in China. As much as Apple fans must admit to being Apple fans, some others must admit that they care more about hating Apple than giving anything remotely close to a shit about Foxconn workers. The fact that Apple is doing more than all these companies combined on this issue makes you not only a hypocrite, but an idiotic and ignorant one at that.

Because Apple is the most profitable company ever, mix that with a holier than thou attitude and you get held to a higher standard than everyone else.
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Who does Foxconn work for?

If Apple says "we need more iPhones" why doesn't Foxconn say "we can't possibly work our employees any harder"

If Foxconn's working conditions suck... it seems like that's Foxconn's problem.

I don't understand how Apple is the only company at fault here.
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And you believe something printed in the Daily Mail? You must be the only one!

What's not to believe? It addresses the same kind of issues that are still relevant 6 years later. Not much has changed.

Nice try at poisoning the well though.
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Because Apple is the most profitable company ever

Wait, are they? I can think of a dozen oil companies to which that title could go

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mix that with a holier than thou attitude

And they have that?

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It's crystal clear by now that the European style socialist ideals are a complete failure, and we need to get back to the way things were in the '50s and grow this country again.

The way things were in the 1950s? So you're calling for much higher marginal tax rates on the rich, and higher union memberships? :-)
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How about this for a solution...

When you buy an Apple product online they let you choose an option:

"Please increase the cost of this item by 25% and send the extra money to the workers in China"

Then if you are feeling guilty and want to feel like you are making a difference you can check that box and pay 25% above the normal retail cost.

Those people who think that the Chinese workers are glad to have an above average paying job in their country and don't think there is a problem, can choose not to pay an extra 25%.

Apple could even send you a special sticker you could stick on your Apple product that denotes that you paid an extra 25%. That way you could use your iPhone or iPad at the next OWS rally and not feel guilty?

In fact you could feel like you are better than everyone else. Oh wait, you already do.
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How about this for a solution...

When you buy an Apple product online they let you choose an option:

"Please increase the cost of this item by 25% and send the extra money to the workers in China"

Then if you are feeling guilty and want to feel like you are making a difference you can check that box and pay 25% above the normal retail cost.

Those people who think that the Chinese workers are glad to have an above average paying job in their country and don't think there is a problem, can choose not to pay an extra 25%.

Apple could even send you a special sticker you could stick on your Apple product that denotes that you paid an extra 25%. That way you could use your iPhone or iPad at the next OWS rally and not feel guilty?

In fact you could feel like you are better than everyone else. Oh wait, you already do.

Brilliant idea.

I await a 'yes' from socially conscious folks such as redbachetta (or whatever).
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"Please increase the cost of this item by 25% and send the extra money to the workers in China"

I bet that 99.87% of the hypocrites who whine about Apple and China would never choose that option. It's like the retards who say that everybody should be taxed more. Nothing is stopping them right now from paying more in taxes! It's fully legal and quite easy to do if somebody wishes to contribute more to the govt, if they feel that the current taxes are too low and they're outraged by that social injustice. If these morons truly think that they are paying too little in taxes, then they should just STFU and pay more. They never do, being the whiny, little douchebags that they are.

I wouldn't mind two separate lines when I go to get my iPad 3 though. I'm all for that idea.

(1) Line 1 = normal priced iPad 3 for normal people

(2) Line 2 = 25% higher priced iPad 3 if your name was found to be on that ignorant petition. The Apple sales people will check your identity at the checkout counter. A portion of the extra proceeds will go to starving Chinese workers and it will cover at least 3 weeks worth of Ramen noodles, enough to feed a family of five and 1 medium sized dog.

I know which line I'd be on.
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And you believe something printed in the Daily Mail? You must be the only one!

Well said.
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What's not to believe? It addresses the same kind of issues that are still relevant 6 years later. Not much has changed.

Nice try at poisoning the well though.

Oh come on, seriously? The Daily Mail is a tabloid rag only one step up from the tabloid check out counter trash from Murdoch.

p.s. That is not political, it's journalistic.
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Truly disgusting and despicable people. And I'm not surprised that there was more media in attendance than deranged activists, as most people are sane enough to not get involved in such scams and ignorant behavior.

Did they threaten your Constitutional Right to Freedom of Movement? Were you compelled to let their blood flow in defense?

If not, then c'est dommage. Maybe next time.
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Did they threaten your Constitutional Right to Freedom of Movement? Were you compelled to let their blood flow in defense?

If not, then c'est dommage. Maybe next time.

Nope. Luckily for them, I didn't visit any Apple stores today.
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Oh come on, seriously? The Daily Mail is a tabloid rag only one step up from the tabloid check out counter trash from Murdoch.

p.s. That is not political, it's journalistic.

Refute the points, not the source.

How do you explain why the very issues they raise are still largely issues today? Coincidence?
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Because Apple is the most profitable company ever, mix that with a holier than thou attitude and you get held to a higher standard than everyone else.

...which sounds awfully like 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' to me.

Anybody else love the irony of delivering a petition to a company embracing using as little paper as possible with a nice thick sheaf freshly cut from the Amazon basin?

They probably shouldn't have gone with the larger font to make it look like more people had signed...
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Refute the points, not the source.

How do you explain why the very issues they raise are still largely issues today? Coincidence?

What do you think they should do?
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If you own products by Acer, Amazon, Asus, Barnes & Noble, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Lenovo, Microsoft, Motorola, Netgear, Nintendo, Nokia, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Vizio. and are protesting Apple, then you are a hypocrite.

Nobody is claiming these other companies aren't also at fault. This is just a start. Apple does a better job than all these other companies but it doesn't mean they can't do better. Especially with all this cash laying around. This misconception that the price of Apple products will go up is wrong. It will just make Apple slightly less profitable.
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What do you think they should do?

Shut down the manufacturing. Nuke the site from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.
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