Originally Posted by astrubhar
That's because they are pointless questions only intended to attack me. I'm smart enough to see past that. Even when I tell you I'm interested in your opinion you continue to be arrogant. Arguing with you is pointless because everything will come back to further this 'prove me wrong' mentality. Had you taken a difference stance I would have had a much more productive conversation with you instead of you backing me in to a corner and then ripping apart everything I said. It's no surprise I'm not a logistics expert with years on the inside of Foxconn. I do think what is happening in Foxconn is wrong and I wont back off that point. You take so much offense to a simple idea. You'd rather dismiss these people as morons that don't understand the world because it will make you feel better about your own opinion. You've only reenforced my opinion that the other side to this argument is a group of people who are narrow minded and don't think anything will change the world. This is going to take 50 years because people are going to drag their feet. The same reason the labor movement in the US took so long. It's not impossible to make a major difference in ten years if people work really hard at this problem and enough people band together and bring this issue to light. The worst thing we can do is bury the issue and say we're doing enough.
I am not attacking you. I don't have a problem with you at all.
Hell, I don't even have a problem with your ignorance.
But if you go around demanding things from other parties without taking to time to fully understand the situation then be prepared to cop some flack. From multiple directions, as you just discovered.
Keep in mind that Google went head to head with China (Chinese government and business are basically the same thing) regarding censorship in 2010 and, despite all their money and clout that you seem to think is so important when negotiating, came off second best and are no longer in the search business there.
Also, of the United State's 15 trillion dollar national debt, approximately 1.1 trillion of that is now owed specifically to China. Even the American government would have trouble achieving what you seem to expect a single American company to do overnight.
For a self-proclaimed Apple fan you seem to have very little knowledge about the actual company that you claim to love. Apple is unlike any other company in the world in the way that they do business and, given a reasonable enough timeframe (which will not be fifty years) they actually may be able to resolve the situation satisfactorily.
However, there are no guarantees.
When it comes to China, try to keep in mind that you are dealing with a totally different country and culture from your own and, just like you, they don't take well to not being treated with respect.
And don't automatically assume that Apple are doing nothing about it. You know no more about what they're doing to resolve the issue than you know the specs of the iPad 3.
So when you suggest solutions, try to do so with a bit more humility, and make damn sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.