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One week after denying Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, a German court on Thursday officially cleared the reworked Samsung tablet for sale after the original was banned for copying the "look and feel" of the iPad.

The legal battle is over for the Galaxy Tab 10.1N in Germany as the state court in Dusseldorf handed down a ruling that states there are "clear differences" between the Samsung tablet and Apple's iPad, reports Reuters.

Apple initially won a permanent sales ban against the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in September, 2011, which forced Samsung to create the 10.1N, a device meant to bypass the injunction by changing certain aesthetic features shared with the iPad.

The "new" tablet was released in November and effectively skirts the injunction, which was upheld in January.

Samsung's Android-based tablet is seen as a direct competitor to the ubiquitous iPad, and today's German win adds to Apple's recent court losses to ban the device in the U.S., the Netherlands and Australia.

The two companies are ensnarled in a worldwide patent dispute that includes suits in the U.S., Australia, Japan, Korea and Europe after the Cupertino, Calif., company first attacked in April, alleging that a number of Samsung's mobile phones and tablets infringed on intellectual property rights.

Samsung has filed counter-suits against Apple in Germany regarding cellular technology patents, though the Galaxy maker has already lost two cases with a third scheduled for decision in March.

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Ha Ha... Just in time for the iPad 3 and price reduction on the iPad 2

Good luck with that Samsumg. Perhaps a 10.2 screen might sell better this time?

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So why don't Apple go after them for a direct copy of an iPad 1?
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Ha Ha... Just in time for the iPad 3 and price reduction on the iPad 2

Good luck with that Samsumg. Perhaps a 10.2 screen might sell better this time?

Poor bar-stewards, there can only be so many Apple haters in the World. It is a fairly small market share to fight over for all the clones.
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So why don't Apple go after them for a direct copy of an iPad 1?

Maybe that is their strategy. If they sued copycats for all device copies then the infringers might just say "if we're going to get sued we might as well copy the most recent offerings" but if they let the old looking tech slide they could keep them all on 1 to 2 your old looking tech.

(Disclaimer: I'm just making shit up at this point. I have no sodding idea. )

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Maybe that is their strategy. If they sued copycats for all device copies then the infringers might just say "if we're going to get sued we might as well copy the most recent offerings" but if they let the old looking tech slide they could keep them all on 1 to 2 your old looking tech.

(Disclaimer: I'm just making shit up at this point. I have no sodding idea. )

I was always assumed that was your normal MO!
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So why don't Apple go after them for a direct copy of an iPad 1?

Oh, good! Someone else that sees the resemblance to the original iPad.

You know. You KNOW they did that on purpose. You KNOW they said, "Okay, we can't copy this iPad. Let's copy THIS iPad!"
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Oh, good! Someone else that sees the resemblance to the original iPad.

You know. You KNOW they did that on purpose. You KNOW they said, "Okay, we can't copy this iPad. Let's copy THIS iPad!"

If anything they tried even harder, it's a dead ringer.
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I was always assumed that was your normal MO!

just kidding

I do try to have an example, some facts, or even some rhyme or reason for my speculation but every now and then I have absolutely nothing to base it on.

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I do try to have an example, some facts, or even some rhyme or reason for my speculation but every now and then I have absolutely nothing to base it on.

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...it's a dead ringer.

It's also dead on arrival.


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Ever thought about entering politics?

I am keen about a permanent moon colony.

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I am keen about a permanent moon colony.

Me too, and one on Mars. But only inhabited by those that believe Armstrong landed on the moon and they are older than 6k years I hope

Talking of which I am off to build in Second Life ... Night all
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One problem solved. The next problem: how to sell this thrash.
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Poor bar-stewards, there can only be so many Apple haters in the World. It is a fairly small market share to fight over for all the clones.


I dunno, man. There is no doubt Apple is doing quite well for itself, but there's a good reason Apple wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on expensive lawyers for this ban. And it's not just to empty those firms' ash trays.
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Ha Ha... Just in time for the iPad 3 and price reduction on the iPad 2

Good luck with that Samsumg. Perhaps a 10.2 screen might sell better this time?


Right, but remember that legal precedents have long-term consequences. Apple's virtually barred from bringing similar look and feel suits on tablets and smartphones in Germany. Unless, of course, it doesn't mind paying lawyers more money just to file a complaint only to have it tossed out by a judge. Judges into other jurisdictions are probably going to be paying attention to this one if Apple raises similar complaints elsewhere.


I'd hate to be a debbie downer. But the psychological advantage Apple was really pushing for back in 2011 with legal victories is pretty much gone. Apple would've been better off leaving this alone and moving along.
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I'd hate to be a debbie downer. But the psychological advantage Apple was really pushing for back in 2011 with legal victories is pretty much gone. Apple would've been better off leaving this alone and moving along.


But that would not have been nearly so thermonuclear.
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But that would not have been nearly so thermonuclear.





Not sure what to say that one. It did make for some interesting news reads.


I just hope Apple goes back to what it does best. Bringing out cool products to the market. It's a waste of time and money for Apple to hire lawyers only to find that the other side wants to cross-examine Apple's own experts and engineers who could be spending time working developing tomorrow's products.


Leave the patent wringing to trolls like Rambus; companies like Rambus offer absolutely nothing of value to the world of technology. All they do is slow down innovation and bring businesses in Silicon Valley to ruin.
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Not sure what to say that one. It did make for some interesting news reads.


I just hope Apple goes back to what it does best. Bringing out cool products to the market. It's a waste of time and money for Apple to hire lawyers only to find that the other side wants to cross-examine Apple's own experts and engineers who could be spending time working developing tomorrow's products.


Leave the patent wringing to trolls like Rambus; companies like Rambus offer absolutely nothing of value to the world of technology. All they do is slow down innovation and bring businesses in Silicon Valley to ruin.

Do you own any intellectual property?
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Do you own any intellectual property?


Yes, in your soul.
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Yes, in your soul.

You keep your intellectual property in your soul?

What do you keep in your head?
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I dunno, man. There is no doubt Apple is doing quite well for itself, but there's a good reason Apple wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on expensive lawyers for this ban. And it's not just to empty those firms' ash trays.

It's all part of Steve's wish to deny thieves any ground, that's all there is to it... and Apple can afford it don't worry.
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I wonder if Samsung is paying or supplying Apple with cheaper parts to have the prestige of Apple suing them. A year ago Samsung was another white appliance manufacturer like Whirlpool and GE but unlike these American brands they made sloppy products that only the poorer class around the world bought. However, their name recognition has reason considerably since Apple began suing them. People actually have been tricked into believing their products are good because Apple is suing them. The losers who bought Galaxy products must be feeling so good about themselves.
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He didn't he?
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I wonder if Samsung is paying or supplying Apple with cheaper parts to have the prestige of Apple suing them. A year ago Samsung was another white appliance manufacturer like Whirlpool and GE but unlike these American brands they made sloppy products that only the poorer class around the world bought. However, their name recognition has reason considerably since Apple began suing them. People actually have been tricked into believing their products are good because Apple is suing them. The losers who bought Galaxy products must be feeling so good about themselves.

"that only the poorer class around the world bought."

Jesus wept.
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I wonder if Samsung is paying or supplying Apple with cheaper parts to have the prestige of Apple suing them.

I know this is a site for us Apple fans, but you're bleeding misinformation and conspiracy theories left and right. I don't like rabid Apple haters, but I also don't appreciate blind fanboys. You seem like one, with your absurd conjectures and ignorance of even the most basic knowledge of global companies.

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A year ago Samsung was another white appliance manufacturer like Whirlpool and GE but unlike these American brands they made sloppy products that only the poorer class around the world bought.

Maybe you've been living near a weird black hole where 1 year to you is really 20 years to us.
Samsung's appliances have actually been considered the best for a long time, while GE and Whirpool filled the middling group, and cheap Chinese brands targeted what you referred to as the poorer class. I may have an iPad, an iPhone, and an Air, but I only buy premium appliances from Samsung or LG. I would be intrigued though if Apple entered the appliances sector, but one can only dream

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However, their name recognition has reason considerably since Apple began suing them. People actually have been tricked into believing their products are good because Apple is suing them. The losers who bought Galaxy products must be feeling so good about themselves.

Their smartphone business may have vaulted in the last 2 years, but their global brand prestige has been better than Apple for a decade, and only since 2010 did Apple rank higher. Samsung's been consistently in the top 20 or so prestigious global brands since 2000.

Prefer Apple over Samsung all you want, I certainly would not complain, but you can't just make up whatever fake reality you want. Apple and Samsung are both high end brands, pick whichever one makes you happy.
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It seems to me that there are a lot of Apple haters here under the disguise of looking like they support Apple.

In what world is Samsung considered a top brand?

Home Appliance : Electrolux, Siemens, Zanussi, Miele, Whirlpool, GE etc. are all better brands than Samsung. l don't understand how you can put Samsung in front of these brands.

Electronic appliance : Sharp, Toshiba, Vizio, Sony etc. are all better brands. Did you hear about Apple moving away from Samsung to buy displays from Sharp?

Gadgets : Apple, Nokia, Motorola, RIM, HTC are all better brands. Samsung couldn't sell anything until they started mimicking Apple's designs and using a platform that is stolen from Apple.

Stop writing things if you don't know what you're talking about. LOL at Samsung being a prestige brand. It's a cheap knock off and I would rather buy Haier products than buy Samsung.
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The force is strong in you jannewmx!!!
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It seems to me that there are a lot of Apple haters here under the disguise of looking like they support Apple.

In what world is Samsung considered a top brand?

Home Appliance : Electrolux, Siemens, Zanussi, Miele, Whirlpool, GE etc. are all better brands than Samsung. l don't understand how you can put Samsung in front of these brands.

Electronic appliance : Sharp, Toshiba, Vizio, Sony etc. are all better brands. Did you hear about Apple moving away from Samsung to buy displays from Sharp?

Gadgets : Apple, Nokia, Motorola, RIM, HTC are all better brands. Samsung couldn't sell anything until they started mimicking Apple's designs and using a platform that is stolen from Apple.

Stop writing things if you don't know what you're talking about. LOL at Samsung being a prestige brand. It's a cheap knock off and I would rather buy Haier products than buy Samsung.

Your reality distortion field must be set to warp factor 8.
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Just another day of useless "design patents" that Apple seems to throw at others hoping something would stick.

Now they are resorting to the standards body for a dismissal of FRAND related patents and just recently is starting to gather up utility patents as in "software patents".

Hey, even a rectangle can be patented in this day and age so why not?

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It seems to me that there are a lot of Apple haters here under the disguise of looking like they support Apple.

In what world is Samsung considered a top brand?

Home Appliance : Electrolux, Siemens, Zanussi, Miele, Whirlpool, GE etc. are all better brands than Samsung. l don't understand how you can put Samsung in front of these brands.

Electronic appliance : Sharp, Toshiba, Vizio, Sony etc. are all better brands. Did you hear about Apple moving away from Samsung to buy displays from Sharp?

Gadgets : Apple, Nokia, Motorola, RIM, HTC are all better brands. Samsung couldn't sell anything until they started mimicking Apple's designs and using a platform that is stolen from Apple.

Stop writing things if you don't know what you're talking about. LOL at Samsung being a prestige brand. It's a cheap knock off and I would rather buy Haier products than buy Samsung.

A world that you are not living in or a world you purposely dismiss because it doesnt fit in with your way of thinking.

But just to answer your question:

1) Displays (TVs and computer monitors)
http://www.twice.com/article/464284-...playSearch.php
http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/...uarters-392043

2) Computer memory (40% + )
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sam...ram,14247.html

3) NAND Flash(30%+)
http://www.dramexchange.com/WeeklyRe...st/2/2773.html

4) Cell phones #2 in the world
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phone...one-share/7223

5) OLED displays (70%+ of market share)
http://hexus.net/business/news/econo...oled-revenues/

Perhaps it is YOU who should stop writing things if you dont know what you are talking about.

I have facts to back up my statements.

You, on the other hand, just base your "facts" on personal opinion.

Me > you

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@Galbi,

LOL what does market share have to do with Samsung being a rotten brand that only losers buy? Maybe you should have linked some brand recognition numbers or something. It's like saying since Tata motors and Shanghai motors sell a lot of cars, they are a better brand than Benz or BMW. Just face the truth, everyone wants to buy an Apple product, the losers who don't have money will resort to other brands and as a last resort buy Samsung because they look like Apple products.
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@Galbi,

LOL what does market share have to do with Samsung being a rotten brand that only losers buy? Maybe you should have linked some brand recognition numbers or something. It's like saying since Tata motors and Shanghai motors sell a lot of cars, they are a better brand than Benz or BMW. Just face the truth, everyone wants to buy an Apple product, the losers who don't have money will resort to other brands and as a last resort buy Samsung because they look like Apple products.

That could only be a smartphone, tablet or notebook as those are the only areas they currently compete in. There's much more to Samsung's market as you well know, from consumer products to heavy equipment. Samsung's had an excellent rep for consumer products for some time. Smartphones are just a more recent area that consumers are noticing them in.
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It seems to me that there are a lot of Apple haters here under the disguise of looking like they support Apple.

Sorry you feel that way. I just like both my Apple and Samsung products and I like to be honest in my opinions regardless of it being positive or negative. Like I said before I don't like rabid Apple haters, but I also don't appreciate blind fanboys.

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In what world is Samsung considered a top brand?...Stop writing things if you don't know what you're talking about. LOL at Samsung being a prestige brand.

It happens to be the same world both you and I live in. Top brand consultant agencies that measure global brand prestige have ranked Samsung in the top 25 every year for the last decade. Only since 2010 did Apple overtake Samsung.

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Home Appliance : Electrolux, Siemens, Zanussi, Miele, Whirlpool, GE etc. are all better brands than Samsung. l don't understand how you can put Samsung in front of these brands.

Electronic appliance : Sharp, Toshiba, Vizio, Sony etc. are all better brands. Did you hear about Apple moving away from Samsung to buy displays from Sharp?

Gadgets : Apple, Nokia, Motorola, RIM, HTC are all better brands. Samsung couldn't sell anything until they started mimicking Apple's designs and using a platform that is stolen from Apple.

According to reputable brand rankings and consumer reports, Samsung is better than every single brand you just listed except Apple. Apple's moving to Sharp not because it's better. No one makes better displays than Samsung and LG. Apple's moving away because of the lawsuits. You're right though that Samsung was a smaller player in the smart phone business a few years ago, and following Apple did help them launch their smartphone business. Nearly the whole industry followed Apple since they were the ones who pioneered the modern smartphone trend.

I really don't have the time to address your misinformation brand by brand, but I think anyone can clearly see how extreme your delusion is from this list. If you want people to take you seriously, your examples shouldn't be too extreme that they betray your biases.


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It's a cheap knock off and I would rather buy Haier products than buy Samsung.

So to avoid what you call a "cheap knock off", you would rather buy Haier, an actual cheap knock off?
I think this pretty much sums up the warped state your mind is in.
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@Galbi,

LOL what does market share have to do with Samsung being a rotten brand that only losers buy? Maybe you should have linked some brand recognition numbers or something. It's like saying since Tata motors and Shanghai motors sell a lot of cars, they are a better brand than Benz or BMW. Just face the truth, everyone wants to buy an Apple product, the losers who don't have money will resort to other brands and as a last resort buy Samsung because they look like Apple products.

Tata owns Jaguar/Land Rover. Last I checked Range Rovers are pretty high end, and alot of rich folk buy them...

And yes, people who don't have 650 dollars to spend on an Apple phone will buy a Samsung or HTC phone for... 650 dollars.
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Thanks, I was getting around to doing that but you beat me to it.
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